I wasn't able to preorder, because I live in Europe and everything was sold by the time I log on that website. I'm upset, because I know they're gonna be sold for a huge amount of money on ebay by dirty scumbags who don't even care about the music. I got the first three Jay Reatard EPs and I really don't want to buy the LP. Fuck Matador. This is why people download music illegally and don't buy records anymore.
read the other thread.. it starts over again tomorrow.
(all orders cancelled)
I wasn't able to preorder, because I live in Europe and everything was sold by the time I log on that website. I'm upset, because I know they're gonna be sold for a huge amount of money on ebay by dirty scumbags who don't even care about the music. I got the first three Jay Reatard EPs and I really don't want to buy the LP. Fuck Matador. This is why people download music illegally and don't buy records anymore.Fuck it, I'll take your bait. What the fuck are you talking about? Why is it you don't want the LP? It seems like you are interested in the artifact and not the music. Come October there will be an unlimited supply at a reasonable price. Is that why you don't want to buy records anymore?
I wasn't able to preorder, because I live in Europe and everything was sold by the time I log on that website. I'm upset, because I know they're gonna be sold for a huge amount of money on ebay by dirty scumbags who don't even care about the music. I got the first three Jay Reatard EPs and I really don't want to buy the LP. Fuck Matador. This is why people download music illegally and don't buy records anymore.Fuck it, I'll take your bait. What the fuck are you talking about? Why is it you don't want the LP? It seems like you are interested in the artifact and not the music. Come October there will be an unlimited supply at a reasonable price. Is that why you don't want to buy records anymore?
I wasn't able to preorder, because I live in Europe and everything was sold by the time I log on that website. I'm upset, because I know they're gonna be sold for a huge amount of money on ebay by dirty scumbags who don't even care about the music. I got the first three Jay Reatard EPs and I really don't want to buy the LP. Fuck Matador. This is why people download music illegally and don't buy records anymore.Fuck it, I'll take your bait. What the fuck are you talking about? Why is it you don't want the LP? It seems like you are interested in the artifact and not the music. Come October there will be an unlimited supply at a reasonable price. Is that why you don't want to buy records anymore?
yeah but isnt it you guys that's "making the artifact"? I know you dont need more shit today, but fair is fair. dude has a point that its being made as an artifact to entice him and he cant get it.
i think limited records were historically made because of two reasons:
1. the band was small / had no fanbase (so these problems didnt arise)
2. the label had no money to do 3,000 singles (and they would make more if they were making money)
so its just that its making a "rare thing" that's become the focus now as opposed to filling a demand. I can understand the good business of it, but i mean, like I said, it is what it is if we're getting into the "reasonably priced LP" transition from ltd. 7" issue now.
I wasn't able to preorder, because I live in Europe and everything was sold by the time I log on that website. I'm upset, because I know they're gonna be sold for a huge amount of money on ebay by dirty scumbags who don't even care about the music. I got the first three Jay Reatard EPs and I really don't want to buy the LP. Fuck Matador. This is why people download music illegally and don't buy records anymore.Fuck it, I'll take your bait. What the fuck are you talking about? Why is it you don't want the LP? It seems like you are interested in the artifact and not the music. Come October there will be an unlimited supply at a reasonable price. Is that why you don't want to buy records anymore?
i think limited records were historically made because of two reasons:
1. the band was small / had no fanbase (so these problems didnt arise)
2. the label had no money to do 3,000 singles (and they would make more if they were making money)
so its just that its making a "rare thing" that's become the focus now as opposed to filling a demand. I can understand the good business of it, but i mean, like I said, it is what it is if we're getting into the "reasonably priced LP" transition from ltd. 7" issue now.
How historically? Like in the 80's when Death in June did weird sleeves in shit? When Throbbing Gristle did their fan-club only stuff? Just to name 2 artists who sold thousands of records.
AC/DC splatter German-only imports?
Colored Smiths vinyl? ROLLING STONES "SOME GIRLS" ORANGE WAX?
Biggest bands in history.
Beatles Christmas EP's?????
LET THE BANDS DO WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT.
Stop acting like buying shit is a sacred rite.
i think limited records were historically made because of two reasons:
1. the band was small / had no fanbase (so these problems didnt arise)
2. the label had no money to do 3,000 singles (and they would make more if they were making money)
so its just that its making a "rare thing" that's become the focus now as opposed to filling a demand. I can understand the good business of it, but i mean, like I said, it is what it is if we're getting into the "reasonably priced LP" transition from ltd. 7" issue now.
How historically? Like in the 80's when Death in June did weird sleeves in shit? When Throbbing Gristle did their fan-club only stuff? Just to name 2 artists who sold thousands of records.
AC/DC splatter German-only imports?
Colored Smiths vinyl? ROLLING STONES "SOME GIRLS" ORANGE WAX?
Biggest bands in history.
Beatles Christmas EP's?????
LET THE BANDS DO WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT.
Stop acting like buying shit is a sacred rite.
More like when Mike Sniper tried to bait me into a totally irrelevant argument to didge my universal point that he can plainly see but can not avoid or deny so he baits me like that instead into a musical discussion.
Mike, see my last post. And there's NOTHING wrong with labels or Jay doing what they want to do. But people do need to be always aware of the historical context of this shit recurring. Labels do what they want, Mike Snipers defend them, people are so angry at the band, label, infinite question-marks in the universe about it, for being a certain way and becoming more or less accessible to their audience in terms of either stylistic parameters or physical supply, and frankly, I dont give a flying fuck about any of it because of that. but I do recognize this is what we're talking about here and Im not gonna just hide it in my brain either.
AGAIN: WHAT THE FUCK IS BAD ABOUT BANDS/LABELS DOING WHAT THEY WANT?
If Jay wants to do singles like this, why can't he?
You don't have to buy them. Pretty simple.
If a label wants to make cool packaging, a limited run, whatever the fuck they want to do, WHY DOES IT MAKE YOU MAD?
I'll never understand.
IT WILL BE ON VINYL AFTER THIS AGAIN.
AGAIN: WHAT THE FUCK IS BAD ABOUT BANDS/LABELS DOING WHAT THEY WANT?
If Jay wants to do singles like this, why can't he?
You don't have to buy them. Pretty simple.
If a label wants to make cool packaging, a limited run, whatever the fuck they want to do, WHY DOES IT MAKE YOU MAD?
I'll never understand.
IT WILL BE ON VINYL AFTER THIS AGAIN.
i got no problem with jay and/or matador with doing what they want. i think the idea behind the decreasing quantities is brilliant marketing. what bothers me is the apparent lack of respect from matador for the fans of the music. why put out a record if you can't respect those who are interested in it. poor packaging, overselling records, cancelled orders and and 3 pre-orders says that im not appreciated as a customer. that's what bothers me.
and for the record, im interested in this 7" b/c of the music. ive been fans of both bands for years (in fact im pretty sure i booked their first show together). ive got no intentions of resale for profits in fact i bought extra copies of the last 7" at my local store and sold extra copies BIY on ebay for the same price i bought them when others were getting $50+.
I know Mike. I am not trying to start any shit either trust me.
Please see what is really going on in the conversation between Mr. Martin and the foreign kid, and my reply. That's what I'm talking about. It was Dave's reply that the kid wanted a "relic" and he almost tried to shame the kid into buying the LP later. But the damn kid has 3 singles already and his logic is terrible because the fucking "artifact" is MADE BY MATADOR. So the PROBLEM OF OBTAINING the artifact is made by Matador. I don't normally give a shit one way or another, but I'm saying that you can't MAKE say COOKIES and then say "WHY THE FUCCKKKK DO YOU ACTUALLY WANT COOOOKKIESSS...WHATS WRONG WITH YOU....WAIT FOR BISCUITS."
I know Mike. I am not trying to start any shit either trust me.
Please see what is really going on in the conversation between Mr. Martin and the foreign kid, and my reply. That's what I'm talking about. It was Dave's reply that the kid wanted a "relic" and he almost tried to shame the kid into buying the LP later. But the damn kid has 3 singles already and his logic is terrible because the fucking "artifact" is MADE BY MATADOR. So the PROBLEM OF OBTAINING the artifact is made by Matador. I don't normally give a shit one way or another, but I'm saying that you can't MAKE say COOKIES and then say "WHY THE FUCCKKKK DO YOU ACTUALLY WANT COOOOKKIESSS...WHATS WRONG WITH YOU....WAIT FOR BISCUITS."
I know Mike. I am not trying to start any shit either trust me.
Please see what is really going on in the conversation between Mr. Martin and the foreign kid, and my reply. That's what I'm talking about. It was Dave's reply that the kid wanted a "relic" and he almost tried to shame the kid into buying the LP later. But the damn kid has 3 singles already and his logic is terrible because the fucking "artifact" is MADE BY MATADOR. So the PROBLEM OF OBTAINING the artifact is made by Matador. I don't normally give a shit one way or another, but I'm saying that you can't MAKE say COOKIES and then say "WHY THE FUCCKKKK DO YOU ACTUALLY WANT COOOOKKIESSS...WHATS WRONG WITH YOU....WAIT FOR BISCUITS."
TOTAL, WHERE'S MY MILK 'N' BISCUITS RECORD???
Sure, it is being made as an artifact or whatever, but he's essentially saying that he isn't into the music because he doesn't own the artifact. We've been pretty up front about how many of these we are making and where they are going, if folks aren't into it fine, but to claim that this is adding to more people downloading instead of buying just screams sour grapes bullshit. Dude could easily sell his first three singles to cover the cost of the LP or CD. He could also try again tomorrow and then maybe he'll feel diferently.I wasn't able to preorder, because I live in Europe and everything was sold by the time I log on that website. I'm upset, because I know they're gonna be sold for a huge amount of money on ebay by dirty scumbags who don't even care about the music. I got the first three Jay Reatard EPs and I really don't want to buy the LP. Fuck Matador. This is why people download music illegally and don't buy records anymore.Fuck it, I'll take your bait. What the fuck are you talking about? Why is it you don't want the LP? It seems like you are interested in the artifact and not the music. Come October there will be an unlimited supply at a reasonable price. Is that why you don't want to buy records anymore?
yeah but isnt it you guys that's "making the artifact"? I know you dont need more shit today, but fair is fair. dude has a point that its being made as an artifact to entice him and he cant get it.
I know Mike. I am not trying to start any shit either trust me.
Please see what is really going on in the conversation between Mr. Martin and the foreign kid, and my reply. That's what I'm talking about. It was Dave's reply that the kid wanted a "relic" and he almost tried to shame the kid into buying the LP later. But the damn kid has 3 singles already and his logic is terrible because the fucking "artifact" is MADE BY MATADOR. So the PROBLEM OF OBTAINING the artifact is made by Matador. I don't normally give a shit one way or another, but I'm saying that you can't MAKE say COOKIES and then say "WHY THE FUCCKKKK DO YOU ACTUALLY WANT COOOOKKIESSS...WHATS WRONG WITH YOU....WAIT FOR BISCUITS."
TOTAL, WHERE'S MY MILK 'N' BISCUITS RECORD???
Read the MnC thread dude. Shit's in SF right now I assume.
I know Mike. I am not trying to start any shit either trust me.
Please see what is really going on in the conversation between Mr. Martin and the foreign kid, and my reply. That's what I'm talking about. It was Dave's reply that the kid wanted a "relic" and he almost tried to shame the kid into buying the LP later. But the damn kid has 3 singles already and his logic is terrible because the fucking "artifact" is MADE BY MATADOR. So the PROBLEM OF OBTAINING the artifact is made by Matador. I don't normally give a shit one way or another, but I'm saying that you can't MAKE say COOKIES and then say "WHY THE FUCCKKKK DO YOU ACTUALLY WANT COOOOKKIESSS...WHATS WRONG WITH YOU....WAIT FOR BISCUITS."
TOTAL, WHERE'S MY MILK 'N' BISCUITS RECORD???
Read the MnC thread dude. Shit's in SF right now I assume.
;) ;) ;)
Obviously Matador didn't expect this to become such a frenzy. That was their only mistake.
Sure, it is being made as an artifact or whatever, but he's essentially saying that he isn't into the music because he doesn't own the artifact. We've been pretty up front about how many of these we are making and where they are going, if folks aren't into it fine, but to claim that this is adding to more people downloading instead of buying just screams sour grapes bullshit. Dude could easily sell his first three singles to cover the cost of the LP or CD. He could also try again tomorrow and then maybe he'll feel diferently.I wasn't able to preorder, because I live in Europe and everything was sold by the time I log on that website. I'm upset, because I know they're gonna be sold for a huge amount of money on ebay by dirty scumbags who don't even care about the music. I got the first three Jay Reatard EPs and I really don't want to buy the LP. Fuck Matador. This is why people download music illegally and don't buy records anymore.Fuck it, I'll take your bait. What the fuck are you talking about? Why is it you don't want the LP? It seems like you are interested in the artifact and not the music. Come October there will be an unlimited supply at a reasonable price. Is that why you don't want to buy records anymore?
yeah but isnt it you guys that's "making the artifact"? I know you dont need more shit today, but fair is fair. dude has a point that its being made as an artifact to entice him and he cant get it.
TreyAGAIN: WHAT THE FUCK IS BAD ABOUT BANDS/LABELS DOING WHAT THEY WANT?
If Jay wants to do singles like this, why can't he?
You don't have to buy them. Pretty simple.
If a label wants to make cool packaging, a limited run, whatever the fuck they want to do, WHY DOES IT MAKE YOU MAD?
I'll never understand.
IT WILL BE ON VINYL AFTER THIS AGAIN.
i got no problem with jay and/or matador with doing what they want. i think the idea behind the decreasing quantities is brilliant marketing. what bothers me is the apparent lack of respect from matador for the fans of the music. why put out a record if you can't respect those who are interested in it. poor packaging, overselling records, cancelled orders and and 3 pre-orders says that im not appreciated as a customer. that's what bothers me.
and for the record, im interested in this 7" b/c of the music. ive been fans of both bands for years (in fact im pretty sure i booked their first show together). ive got no intentions of resale for profits in fact i bought extra copies of the last 7" at my local store and sold extra copies BIY on ebay for the same price i bought them when others were getting $50+.
i got no problem with jay and/or matador with doing what they want. i think the idea behind the decreasing quantities is brilliant marketing.
I know, I mean artifacts like original 7" singles are so useless. There's no sentimentality, no value to itself, no re-worked later b-sides or anything rare to em, no original artwork, no nothing. And there's just TOO damn many of em! We should all sell all these useless artifacts and buy the CD reissue. Much more sensible. Because if you don't do that, well, you don't really like "the music".
so succinctly put, yeah, 5,000 press each please.
then make new music for an LP. because LPs are LPs. and singles are singles. the entire thing is driven by the desire to sell the same music twice without looking like that's what's going on. Once again, I mean no disrespect, and boy I hate telling the fucking truth. I really do.
Also, you don't have to buy them. Important.
Also, you don't have to buy them. Important.
You keep saying this, but it doesn't mean much. A lot of the frustration is coming from wanting something and not being able to get it. Yeah there will be an LP of it or with any other special edition thing, they'll be a regular edition, but saying "you don't have to buy them" isn't going to take away the fact that a person still wants the single version or the special edition. It's like saying "oh you like Robocop? Here, have the full screen, R-rated version." Nah brah, I want the wide screen, unrated. Sure it's the same movie, but it's not always about just the content. People, especially here, collect shit. The labels know that, the bands know that, so when someone is frustrated about not being able to get the limited item, let him/her blow his/her smoke. These things aren't even special because as soon as they drop it's on ebay. Yeah bands in the 80's and whenever did fanclub special edition shit, but without the internet, I could see it being way more sincere on both sides, fan and band/label. It is just frustrating now.
Now, while technically and legally they are allowed to release whatever they want in whatever quantity of editions they see fit to, I think there is a need to notice a right and wrong way to do it in particular cases when the evidence of the situation presents itself in the form of countless people asking for it.
Now, while technically and legally they are allowed to release whatever they want in whatever quantity of editions they see fit to, I think there is a need to notice a right and wrong way to do it in particular cases when the evidence of the situation presents itself in the form of countless people asking for it.
More so than telling people exactly what they're getting into before they even start selling them?
It's his work/money/label, let him do whatever the fuck he wants.
It's his work/money/label, let him do whatever the fuck he wants.
I didn't say labels and bands shouldn't do special editions. I am just saying for the people that don't get them, let them be frustrated. It is frustrating to want something and not get it. You get mad. It blows over. End of story.
I'm just saying it's not really "special" anymore. There isn't the intimate relationship between fanboy and band/label. The intimate relationship is between your paypal account and ebay. I understand records going for expensive prices on ebay, but I just don't want to buy into it when it's something that was just released and people bought up all the "special editions" because in their minds that reads $$$$.
I'm sure a lot of other labels will do the same thing. I was going to do a silkscreen poster reprint with the Monochrome Set demo reissue, no fucking way now.
That said, I have no problem with special editions, but I have very intense feelings about limited pressings of records. I think it's economically elitist and counter to everything I feel is good about underground music. I realize that the audience for this kind of music right now is people in their mid to late twenties with disposable income, but personally I wish this stuff would get into the hands of more economically disadvantaged youth. I cringe at the thought of kids like myself and my friends when we were younger never having access to this kind of music. For that reason I choose to only work with labels that will keep my releases in print. On one hand, it'd be a massive ego stroke to see someone willing to pay fifty dollars for one of my records, but I will never knowingly allow that to happen. I would rather have excess copies sitting in record stores across the country so that maybe some curious kid would pick it up cause it was cheaper than everything else in the store and maybe the music would help them in some way, because I know plenty of records saved my life as an adolescent and teenager.
or even 5,000 each pressed.
or even 5,000 each pressed.
There will be at least 5,000 of each pressed I'm sure... when it's released in LP format.
Quit your fucking whining about not getting your precious special edition bullshit. You fuckin' pansies are a bunch of loud mouth dumbfuck whiners. You ruin rock 'n roll worse than Jay did with this idea.
I hope you all get herpes.
But you'd definately hear outrage in the other direction (I'm smiling thinking how FURIOUS Justin CollectorScum would get) if they re-neg'ed and pressed them all in quantities more than they said they would.
If people think the record stores are being unscrupulous there are very easy real world ways to deal with that. The stores physically exist and every human being has access to them. You don't have to bitch about the shit on the internet, you can easily burn the place down, or something more subtle. Hell, you could visit the place yourself and express your feelings to the person responsible's face and even punch it if that is your wont.
Anyway, I think all this shit is hilarious because half of you people are gonna be bitching about how Jay's new stuff isn't as good as Blood Visions or his early singles once you get the records, because you already are anyway. Everyone's got their panties in a bundle because they want something rare and they are denied access. Boo hoo, and then they complain about artifacts and being marketed to when they're the ones scrambling like chickens with their heads cut off for them and falling for the marketing they're complaining about.
Stop being pussies, if you really want the limited editions, you can save up your money and buy them. If you really want the music, you can buy the LP. It's pretty simple.
That said, I have no problem with special editions, but I have very intense feelings about limited pressings of records. I think it's economically elitist and counter to everything I feel is good about underground music. I realize that the audience for this kind of music right now is people in their mid to late twenties with disposable income, but personally I wish this stuff would get into the hands of more economically disadvantaged youth. I cringe at the thought of kids like myself and my friends when we were younger never having access to this kind of music. For that reason I choose to only work with labels that will keep my releases in print. On one hand, it'd be a massive ego stroke to see someone willing to pay fifty dollars for one of my records, but I will never knowingly allow that to happen. I would rather have excess copies sitting in record stores across the country so that maybe some curious kid would pick it up cause it was cheaper than everything else in the store and maybe the music would help them in some way, because I know plenty of records saved my life as an adolescent and teenager.
Just for the record before I started getting bated into the finer points of the douchebaggery, I was initially just pissed off that a kid who lived far away couldn't get some music he wanted, even waiting on the day it came out. Like he'd done for 3 other singles. This seems to be in line with your values about the accessibility of music, so I hope you don't have a problem with this part.[/quote]
I was also mad that he was being told that since he wouldn't get a copy, he actually didn't like the music and wanted an "artifact". Someone told him that. I'm not going to feel bad for sticking up for him when he's told that kind of shit.
I say some dumb shit on here a lot. But I don't regret anything I said on here today. This is all very well thought out stuff that I completely and firmly believe in. There are finer points to it that would need a lot of face to face discussion. I'd really love to get over and actually talk with some of you fools. Mike especially, he's a good one.
And Ayapapaya, if you read my comment about 30 people in our office as a boast sorry (I could suggest you brush up on your reading comprehension skills)
... when it's released in LP format.
Just for the record before I started getting bated into the finer points of the douchebaggery, I was initially just pissed off that a kid who lived far away couldn't get some music he wanted, even waiting on the day it came out. Like he'd done for 3 other singles. This seems to be in line with your values about the accessibility of music, so I hope you don't have a problem with this part.
I was also mad that he was being told that since he wouldn't get a copy, he actually didn't like the music and wanted an "artifact". Someone told him that. I'm not going to feel bad for sticking up for him when he's told that kind of shit.
I say some dumb shit on here a lot. But I don't regret anything I said on here today. This is all very well thought out stuff that I completely and firmly believe in. There are finer points to it that would need a lot of face to face discussion. I'd really love to get over and actually talk with some of you fools. Mike especially, he's a good one.
Yeah, I told him that, but you've got very selective way of putting things. My point was that the dude's opinion of the music seemed to hinge on him being one of the few folks who would actually own a copy of the single.
Like I said I feel that we've been pretty up front about how many of these things we are making and how they are being distributed to consumers and stores. However, A lot of folks who might want them are not going to get copies of this single and the next two.
And Ayapapaya, if you read my comment about 30 people in our office as a boast sorry (I could suggest you brush up on your reading comprehension skills), but not only was I not boasting, most of them aren't even Matador employees.
... when it's released in LP format.
are we sure the deerhunter side will be on the lp?
And now, your chances are better finding the record at a shop than buying it online.
Which is, I hate to say it, really funny to me.
hey can we add an answer to the poll? "i work in a record store and is always ensured my 10 personal copies". thanks!
And now, your chances are better finding the record at a shop than buying it online.
Which is, I hate to say it, really funny to me.hey can we add an answer to the poll? "i work in a record store and is always ensured my 10 personal copies". thanks!
I know that's a joke, but at the same time it's not.
There will be records from EVERY YEAR going forward that one day will one day be pricey.
There will be records from EVERY YEAR going forward that one day will one day be pricey.
Sure, I agree with that, but I don't think a lot of them will be these records that are selling out now. You ever hear the comment that there's no such thing as a rare American early hardcore record? Those bands all toured, had a strong fan base, and sold out of their pressings, even if they only made 500. As a result, those records exist in decent quantities, unlike a lot of slightly earlier punk records, some of which may have been a 1000 press, but the band sold or gave away 100 and then someone's mom threw away the other 900, and the people who bought the first 100 were not like rabid hardcore fans and most were lost anyway.
Now where my argument breaks down is that a lot of early hardcore records sell for $100+, even relatively large pressings like Minor Threat who made 5,000 of their first single over 4 pressings. It's all supply and demand, so if the demand is big enough, even 5,000 records won't fill it. I just don't see most of today's sold out pressings, too often marketed as collectables, being particularly rare or expensive 10+ years from now. I'd like to think there's some amazing bands out there who sell poorly and are only discovered later, but the internet makes that kind of impossible.
Sure, I agree with that, but I don't think a lot of them will be these records that are selling out now. You ever hear the comment that there's no such thing as a rare American early hardcore record? Those bands all toured, had a strong fan base, and sold out of their pressings, even if they only made 500. As a result, those records exist in decent quantities, unlike a lot of slightly earlier punk records, some of which may have been a 1000 press, but the band sold or gave away 100 and then someone's mom threw away the other 900, and the people who bought the first 100 were not like rabid hardcore fans and most were lost anyway.
I wasn't able to preorder, because I live in Europe and everything was sold by the time I log on that website. I'm upset, because I know they're gonna be sold for a huge amount of money on ebay by dirty scumbags who don't even care about the music. I got the first three Jay Reatard EPs and I really don't want to buy the LP. Fuck Matador. This is why people download music illegally and don't buy records anymore.Fuck it, I'll take your bait. What the fuck are you talking about? Why is it you don't want the LP? It seems like you are interested in the artifact and not the music. Come October there will be an unlimited supply at a reasonable price. Is that why you don't want to buy records anymore?
I think he just means he doesn't want to BUY the LP because he has half the music (on single format) already...
I was also mad that he was being told that since he wouldn't get a copy, he actually didn't like the music and wanted an "artifact". Someone told him that. I'm not going to feel bad for sticking up for him when he's told that kind of shit.
Justin, also keep in mind more people are buying vinyl now. Especially young people who could potentially be lifelong vinyl fans.
I wasn't able to preorder, because I live in Europe and everything was sold by the time I log on that website. I'm upset, because I know they're gonna be sold for a huge amount of money on ebay by dirty scumbags who don't even care about the music. I got the first three Jay Reatard EPs and I really don't want to buy the LP. Fuck Matador. This is why people download music illegally and don't buy records anymore.Fuck it, I'll take your bait. What the fuck are you talking about? Why is it you don't want the LP? It seems like you are interested in the artifact and not the music. Come October there will be an unlimited supply at a reasonable price. Is that why you don't want to buy records anymore?
I think he just means he doesn't want to BUY the LP because he has half the music (on single format) already...
Yeah that's what I meant. Sorry if people didn't understand this.
I was also mad that he was being told that since he wouldn't get a copy, he actually didn't like the music and wanted an "artifact". Someone told him that. I'm not going to feel bad for sticking up for him when he's told that kind of shit.
Where did you read that I didn't like the music??? I love Jay Reatard. I just think that Matador isn't dealing with things properly, that's all.
I wasn't able to preorder, because I live in Europe and everything was sold by the time I log on that website. I'm upset, because I know they're gonna be sold for a huge amount of money on ebay by dirty scumbags who don't even care about the music. I got the first three Jay Reatard EPs and I really don't want to buy the LP. Fuck Matador. This is why people download music illegally and don't buy records anymore.Fuck it, I'll take your bait. What the fuck are you talking about? Why is it you don't want the LP? It seems like you are interested in the artifact and not the music. Come October there will be an unlimited supply at a reasonable price. Is that why you don't want to buy records anymore?
I think he just means he doesn't want to BUY the LP because he has half the music (on single format) already...
Yeah that's what I meant. Sorry if people didn't understand this.
I was also mad that he was being told that since he wouldn't get a copy, he actually didn't like the music and wanted an "artifact". Someone told him that. I'm not going to feel bad for sticking up for him when he's told that kind of shit.
Where did you read that I didn't like the music??? I love Jay Reatard. I just think that Matador isn't dealing with things properly, that's all.
No. Thats what Matador was saying to you. I was trying to come to your defense, but I guess you didn't know they were even giving you shit, so um, nevermind.
No one will give a shit about either pressing of the Vivian Girls LP in 2 Years.
No one will give a shit about either pressing of the Vivian Girls LP in 2 Years.
No one will give a shit about either pressing of the Vivian Girls LP in 2 Years.
nobody on here will, but an original pressing will still be desirable among the indiepoppers.
Jay Reatard did a Go Betweens cover on a Goner 7". VG's are on In The Red. Shit's all meshed.
No one will give a shit about either pressing of the Vivian Girls LP in 2 Years.
'WATCHED AND LAUGHED' TAKES THE LEAD!
I am glad of this as I was beginning to question the sanity and sexuality of a number of my otherwise revered Termbrothers.
Obviously not my taste because of my user name? That's a very intelligent assumption. My comment was about the different pressings, not the band, but feel free to take it personally. Do you own this band now?
Yesterday I got through really easily. Ordered in about three minutes, wham bam thank you, Ma'am. Today, I couldn't get anything from the Matador site other than Firefox telling me I was all "Timed Out". I gave up after about three hits of the "refresh" button. I was only half-interested today anyway after the bad taste left from yesterday's fuck up.
Anyway, yesterday I tempered my annoyance with the Matadorks by ordering some stuff from a label I actually like (ordered three records from Tic Tac Totally, including the elusive Nobunny).
I ordered the Cheveu LP from you yesterday to make myself feel better.
So really, you're benefiting from this hullaballoo.
Claire you like BASEBALL!!???!! We can play some homerun derby in the yard.
Damn. This forum is turning into the garagepunk forum now...
Damn. This forum is turning into the garagepunk forum now...
Sadly, I agree with this post more than any other in this retarded thread. That, and no one will give a fuck about the Vivian Girls "super rare" first pressing LP in 10 years.
Bazooka Joe ain't right about anything.
I just blipped over to the NY Times site and not a word about any of this. Do you think Matador has "bought" their silence on this issue?
Bazooka Joe ain't right about anything.Except tacos, novelty records and the fact that he contributed a record to "Desperate Teenage Raw Biker Garbage Vol. 27."
man, i wonder if bajooka joe has tried some o' dem tacos in wisconsin? i've heard they're muy autenticos y deliciosos!
brown power! topple the white devils!
man, i wonder if bajooka joe has tried some o' dem tacos in wisconsin? i've heard they're muy autenticos y deliciosos!
brown power! topple the white devils!
Don't even fuckin' start!
news flash: the food gets dumbed down the further it gets from its home country--for bland american palates. i'm sure the shit they serve in their restaurants varies wildly from what they eat at home.
this is true for any ethnic cuisine.
kevin, i'm working on a statement made that food in los angeles--the second largest mexican population outside of mexico city--is inferior to mexican food in wisconsin. you're a reasonable guy--does that make sense to you?
and, kevin, please i ate mexican food almost exclusively for the first 17 years of my life. i wouldn't question your knowledge of how a curd should squeak, so shut yer fucking yap about mexican food.
kevin, i'm working on a statement made that food in los angeles--the second largest mexican population outside of mexico city--is inferior to mexican food in wisconsin. you're a reasonable guy--does that make sense to you?
and, kevin, please i ate mexican food almost exclusively for the first 17 years of my life. i wouldn't question your knowledge of how a curd should squeak, so shut yer fucking yap about mexican food.
Who said that the food in LA was worse than in WI? I don't remember that. Growing up my best friend was Mexican and I used to practically live with his family, and actually did live with his family when I was an adolescent for a while and ate alot of homemade Mexican food, but I guess I'll never know how authentic it was, because I wasn't in Mexico and at least half their family regularly talked shit on "wetbacks" and would fight with the girls in the family that would party with illegals and sell their SS cards and shit.
Anyway, taste is subjective anyway I guess. I just know the stuff in WI is good and it's not "Americanized."
kevin, i'm working on a statement made that food in los angeles--the second largest mexican population outside of mexico city--is inferior to mexican food in wisconsin. you're a reasonable guy--does that make sense to you?
and, kevin, please i ate mexican food almost exclusively for the first 17 years of my life. i wouldn't question your knowledge of how a curd should squeak, so shut yer fucking yap about mexican food.
Who said that the food in LA was worse than in WI? I don't remember that. Growing up my best friend was Mexican and I used to practically live with his family, and actually did live with his family when I was an adolescent for a while and ate alot of homemade Mexican food, but I guess I'll never know how authentic it was, because I wasn't in Mexico and at least half their family regularly talked shit on "wetbacks" and would fight with the girls in the family that would party with illegals and sell their SS cards and shit.
Anyway, taste is subjective anyway I guess. I just know the stuff in WI is good and it's not "Americanized."
dont eat at bandito borrito in huntsville if you like real mexican food
I hate S California. Had to go there several times a year for extended stays the last 5 years. The people are the worst in the country. So's the traffic. Ate Mexican a good dozen times and not once was it better than a medium-grade place in Wisconsin.
Conejito's tostadas are untouchable.
if we're talking burritos and shit, im gonna need to know whats good in milwaukee
if we're talking burritos and shit, im gonna need to know whats good in milwaukee
Guanajuato!
NYC pizza destroys Chicago.
Chicago's Mexican food trumps NYC's.
TOTAL WAR.
OK: Soul Food
Dear Idiot,
I will type slowly and use a simple example of one city's Mexican food. Milwaukee is one of the most segregated cities in America. There is an enormous Mexican neighborhood a few blocks from me. The people in this neighborhood generally do not speak English. They eat at the restaurants in their neighborhood, not whitey. Whitey eats at Americanized garbage margarita spots or hoity fusion restaurants, not a greasy looking 6 table storefront. This is Mexican food, made by Mexicans, and primarily consumed by Mexicans. It simply doesn't matter how far away Mexico is when there is a neighborhood packed with thousands of Mexicans who have carried their culture into an insulated neighborhood where few other cultures live. This means that Boston, for example, could potentially have better Mexican food in certain neighborhoods than, for example, Houston.
One of my best friends growing up was half Mexican/half Guatemalan. They had a little farm outside of town, and his mother used to snap chicken-necks for that night's dinner. She'd only been in the US for 5 years or so. I think I got pretty authentic stuff right there. I've been to Mexico several times. I know the difference between Taco Bell and real Mexican food. You're talking out your ass, you have no knowledge here.
(outside Vietnamese, which was good in Green Bay)
TTT,
Here's the NYC food breakdown:
EXCELLENT: Italian, Pizza, Thai, Chinese, Middle Eastern, Steakhouses, Burgers, Veggie food, Korean, hot dogs, Polish, French, Japanese/Sushi/Ramen.
OK: Portuguese (though Newark is great), Soul Food, Jamaican, Indian, Spanish
BAD: Mexican, Vietnamese, German, most E. European stuff.
Also, lots of people from outta town (who supposedly know their shit) have commented to me that Milwaukee is pretty top-notch for ethnic foods of many sorts. I tend to agree... You pricks out on the coasts who think you're all spiffy with the ethnic food trip are just acting like pricks from the coasts. At least we can get excellent German and Polish cuisine around here, along with everything else...
New York has shitty Mexican food. There's no debate.I don't think this is true anymore. I had great Mexican food there the last 2 times I visited and it rivaled great stuff in California and Mexico. Especially great was the stuff I got at the Red Hook ballfield and from a stand in Elmhurst in Queens.
OK Mr. Pro Writer, your writing has so little personality that it takes a thread regarding Mexican food for me to remember who you are.
OK: Soul Food
I'm challenging you to take me to "OK" soul food in New York.
lookin forward to the sushi thread big time. i dont even know the difference between sushi and sashimi. but i know it's a complete art-form, and i know i love the stuff.
yeah this thread made me so hungry too. im thinking about those big raw pieces of fresh cold pink tuna they set on rice. had one of those in NYC too, been chasing it since (it was incredibly fresh and tasty as hell, sat in your stomach so good/made me just feel "better" somehow, can't explain).
lookin forward to the sushi thread big time. i dont even know the difference between sushi and sashimi. but i know it's a complete art-form, and i know i love the stuff.
yeah this thread made me so hungry too. im thinking about those big raw pieces of fresh cold pink tuna they set on rice. had one of those in NYC too, been chasing it since (it was incredibly fresh and tasty as hell, sat in your stomach so good/made me just feel "better" somehow, can't explain).
sushi is the fish on rice, sashimi is just fish.
There are so many sushi restaurants in the Bay Area, but only a handful of them are actually really good. My favorite one is in San Francisco and the old sushi master there was actually trained in Japan. I hear that to become a traditional sushi chef, you have to be trained for like, 10 years and you don't even get to touch the fish for the first 5 years or something...
It's intense!
oh, i dont mean the rolls of rice in that seaweed paper stuff, that's sushi, but this thing was a HUGE piece of raw flat tuna on the side. they just garnished it with a small bed of rice laying flat underneath the fish piece.
Aya, what's chirashi? And are maki rolls technically sushi or is only nigiri really considered sushi?lookin forward to the sushi thread big time. i dont even know the difference between sushi and sashimi. but i know it's a complete art-form, and i know i love the stuff.sushi is the fish on rice, sashimi is just fish.
yeah this thread made me so hungry too. im thinking about those big raw pieces of fresh cold pink tuna they set on rice. had one of those in NYC too, been chasing it since (it was incredibly fresh and tasty as hell, sat in your stomach so good/made me just feel "better" somehow, can't explain).
I love the reasoning of "I know a Mexican therefore I know Mexican food." Hey Todd, I've eaten Mexican food in ----get this---- Mexico! Oooooo! And I've eaten bad, bad, bad Mexican food in Mexico prepared by real - honest to god - Mexicans! And they were authentic Mexicans, not those damn fake ones you find in California. I know that might be shocking, bad Mexican food made by authentic Mexicans in Mexico, but it happens. I know it would never happen in Wisconsin, home of one authentic Mexican/Guatemalan family, but, hell, we cant all live in Wisconsin!
By the way, don't confuse Guatemala with Mexico. Mexican, for the most part, look at Guatemalans much as right wing Anglo Americans look at Mexicans, as inferior people who are invading their country. That Guatemalans have more native blood in them than Mexicans is proof, so the Mexican thinks, of their dog like status. Also, the food of that region - Guatemala and southern Mexico - Chiapas to Yucatan - isn't what we think of as Mexican food. It ranges from seafoods and chutneys to almost primitive gruel...and bushmeat! Guatemalans eat a lot of monkey...though no one really likes to talk about it.
no there is a decent italian joint in folsom, california. as far as pizza only good slice in california is at the mall, the sbarro chains.
I love the reasoning of "I know a Mexican therefore I know Mexican food." Hey Todd, I've eaten Mexican food in ----get this---- Mexico! Oooooo! And I've eaten bad, bad, bad Mexican food in Mexico prepared by real - honest to god - Mexicans! And they were authentic Mexicans, not those damn fake ones you find in California. I know that might be shocking, bad Mexican food made by authentic Mexicans in Mexico, but it happens. I know it would never happen in Wisconsin, home of one authentic Mexican/Guatemalan family, but, hell, we cant all live in Wisconsin!
By the way, don't confuse Guatemala with Mexico. Mexican, for the most part, look at Guatemalans much as right wing Anglo Americans look at Mexicans, as inferior people who are invading their country. That Guatemalans have more native blood in them than Mexicans is proof, so the Mexican thinks, of their dog like status. Also, the food of that region - Guatemala and southern Mexico - Chiapas to Yucatan - isn't what we think of as Mexican food. It ranges from seafoods and chutneys to almost primitive gruel...and bushmeat! Guatemalans eat a lot of monkey...though no one really likes to talk about it.
AH! you guys are awesome too! I need to learn this shit. I hate eating something great and not knowing how to re-order it elsewhere.
yeah it was that nigiri thing. It was so big though, and there was only one piece.
The slab on top of rice is called sushi too. Just a certain type called Nigiri.
It's funny.. I used to try and get burrittos or nachos El Savadorian restaurants in the mission... and boy were those terrible!! I swore that they made terrible mexican food!
But now I know the secret: Order the El Salvadorian food (duh). PAPUSAS! PAPUSAS! PAPUSAS! Sorry burrittos... but I really like papusas better.
In regards to this thread's pizza dimension: Just got back from "The New Albanian" (in New Albany, IN, just N of Louisville). Pizza is a solid 8.9/10 on the Pitchfork scale and they have a microbrewery, but the real draw is the Maoist/Bolshevik decorative theme. I could say that I feel like writing a manifesto on the oppressive state of the current mode of production, but I don't.
news flash: the food gets dumbed down the further it gets from its home country--for bland american palates. i'm sure the shit they serve in their restaurants varies wildly from what they eat at home.we have a really good mexican place here in town, a tavern run by a mexican lady from tijuana named rosa and her biker boyfriend. when i go into mexican places people always assume im mexican and treat me accordingly. they have american food cooked by the biker for the whiteys, big plates of hot spicy slop, as good as any i've had anywhere i've traveled for "us" mexicans. i worked in alot of mexican rentals doing floors so i'm pretty familiar with what they eat at home for themselves. they pretty much graze, theres always a oily pan for frying up some tortillas going and slop everywhere. the shit rosa slings is fairly authentic. theres also a far more popular and shitty place, but we never go there because its so bland and boring. also theyre too friendly. the folks at rosas are rude as hell.
this is true for any ethnic cuisine.
Arteaga's on Cesar Chavez in Milwaukee totally rules. I'm not really sure what their AUTHENTICITY INDEX is, but it tastes good to my mouth, so who gives a fuck. And on weekdays, they have $7 all-you-can-eat tacos! Who's in?
Plus, I am taking my girlfriend out for SUSHI tonight with money I made from selling records on Ebay!
Plus, I wouldn't trade ANY of my AC/DC records for ANY Jay Reatard record.
Just sayin'.
Lotsa interesting looking spots on Cesar Chavez, need to randomly stop around.
I'd be into cruisin' 'Chavez w/ you fagz. Call me.
And Lane, when the hell are you coming up to visit?!
Plus, I am taking my girlfriend out for SUSHI tonight with money I made from selling records on Ebay!
I hate S California. Had to go there several times a year for extended stays the last 5 years. The people are the worst in the country. So's the traffic. Ate Mexican a good dozen times and not once was it better than a medium-grade place in Wisconsin.
That's not it, I can identify "Americanized" Mexican food. You assholes still cannot get over the fact that we have tons of Mexicans here. I went around Eric's (I Am the Arm) neighborhood hitting the local spots, and they were all poor. Poor because the ingredients were low grade and the food was not fresh. Asked Oscar (Gris Gris, hispanic and LA hometowner) for better spots, and he took me out to a decent place, finally. But it wasn't "out of this world" or anything, it was decent. According to several folks from LA who now live in the Bay Area (and I do realize that they moved most likely because they didn't like the LA area and are now Bay champions) the Mexican food in S California is no great shakes, and the Bay Area food is excellent. I've heard the same from a lot of bands that tour around the country, as well. It was my experience and a lot of other people's I've talked to.
That's not it, I can identify "Americanized" Mexican food. You assholes still cannot get over the fact that we have tons of Mexicans here. I went around Eric's (I Am the Arm) neighborhood hitting the local spots, and they were all poor. Poor because the ingredients were low grade and the food was not fresh. Asked Oscar (Gris Gris, hispanic and LA hometowner) for better spots, and he took me out to a decent place, finally. But it wasn't "out of this world" or anything, it was decent. According to several folks from LA who now live in the Bay Area (and I do realize that they moved most likely because they didn't like the LA area and are now Bay champions) the Mexican food in S California is no great shakes, and the Bay Area food is excellent. I've heard the same from a lot of bands that tour around the country, as well. It was my experience and a lot of other people's I've talked to.
OK, OK, breathe!
I'm sorry, I didn't know that there was a large Mecci population there.
And yeah, Oscar would know good places to go in the bay area cuz we do have some really good Mexican food here. All I'm saying is that all the places my friend (who, by the way is half Mexican) took me to in LA were excellent.
but really, I'm all about Salvadorian food these days since I became friends with this girl who is Salvadorian. Man, it is so different from Mexican food!
yea, it might be that when you get used to the Americanized-ethnic food (I'm not saying that all Mexican food in Wisconsin are "Americanized"), it tastes weird when you taste the real deal...Yes, there are undoubtedly more ace Mexican places in LA than probably anywhere in the US, just due to the sheer numbers of places. 1000 places seems very low. There are probably that many taco trucks alone in LA county.
dude, it's a simply matter of numbers. ballpark estimates...
the entire state of Wisconsin probably has something like 200 mexican restaurants (not counting franchised fast food pseudo-mexican).
(http://www.aintnosurfintexas.com/zz%20top%20tres%20hombres%20mexican%20feast4.jpg)zz top gatefold. excellent.
"Hugh" just made a ton of great points, and in a nice way. Great job! Let's all agree that Mexican food is amazing when prepared properly.
One thing that's still not getting through is that the places I'm talking about don't even market to whitey, it's local neighborhood places catering to Mexican natives, whether we're talking the places in GB Shit Abyss is referring to or south side Chicago joints or places in Milwaukee's Walker's Point. And there are several of these per block in this large area (Collin or Crowbar (who live in or near this neighborhood) can easily confirm this. These are generally run by 1st generation immigrants who can barely communicate in English, if at all.
(http://www.aintnosurfintexas.com/zz%20top%20tres%20hombres%20mexican%20feast4.jpg)That's fuckin' Tex-Mex, pendejos.
I'm sure in 20 years, there will be some sort of upper Midwest Mexican food variant that will incorporate cheese curds, a fried pork tenderloin, masa, cilantro, and al pastor somehow. (I just came.)
Anyone tried the Pupusas at that place across from West Oakland BART? They are great!
(http://www.aintnosurfintexas.com/zz%20top%20tres%20hombres%20mexican%20feast4.jpg)That's fuckin' Tex-Mex, pendejos.
Yeah, that's the place. We went there with Kelly's Salvadorean co-worker from the salon and he said it was his favorite El Sal place in the Bay Area, even though the employees were giving him the dirtiest looks for being the gayest gay that ever gayed a gay. I don't think they go for mincing much in Central America. The food was great there, but they moved at Oakland-like speed (read: verrrry slooooowwww.) Nice to see they've assimilated so well.Anyone tried the Pupusas at that place across from West Oakland BART? They are great!That place next to the barber shop? I'm at that station quite often after I get off work, but always avoided it cuz it looks too "authentic". Ha!
I'm sure in 20 years, there will be some sort of upper Midwest Mexican food variant that will incorporate cheese curds, a fried pork tenderloin, masa, cilantro, and al pastor somehow. (I just came.)
Thanks Andy, I almost spewed coffee out of my mouth.Anyone tried the Pupusas at that place across from West Oakland BART? They are great!
That place next to the barber shop? I'm at that station quite often after I get off work, but always avoided it cuz it looks too "authentic". Ha!
Yeah, that's the place. We went there with Kelly's Salvadorean co-worker from the salon and he said it was his favorite El Sal place in the Bay Area, even though the employees were giving him the dirtiest looks for being the gayest gay that ever gayed a gay. I don't think they go for mincing much in Central America. The food was great there, but they moved at Oakland-like speed (read: verrrry slooooowwww.) Nice to see they've assimilated so well.Anyone tried the Pupusas at that place across from West Oakland BART? They are great!That place next to the barber shop? I'm at that station quite often after I get off work, but always avoided it cuz it looks too "authentic". Ha!
Kyle, where was that ZZ Top gatefold photo taken? When I was a kid living in Houston ('76-'81), my mom went to a business lunch at Ninfa's (Tex-Mex institution) and Dusty Hill was there giving out autographed photos. She brought me back a photo and I hadn't heard of ZZ Top at that point so I wasn't too impressed. I later heard "Cheap Sunglasses" and "I Thank You," on KILT-FM so I was kind of bummed I threw away that pic. I wonder if she was there during the LP photo shoot.
Since I live in Olde New Mexico, SF's Mission District (which is closer TJ North, apparently) I am supposed to be swamped with fantastic Mexican cuisine, yet I must say that the Central American restaurants pretty much blow the tourist-swarmed Mexi joints out of the water these days. You know you are in for something slightly more "authentic" when you step into the restaurant and a bunch of off-duty painters in their work gear watch you come in, watch you sit down, watch you look at a menu and watch you start vacantly staring around for a waitress. Then they get back to their gabbing. Then the waitress speaks no English, forcing you to deploy your pathetic taqueria-Spanglish.
Los Palmas on Mission St. by 23rd, TRY IT! (It's actually not the stare-at-you place, that's down on 19th)
Cash only.
so, yeah, this thread...someone please kill it?
I swear that Chris Santamaria had some quote about how it's ok to be a pitcher in Mexico.. but it's not ok to be a catcher.. i dunno. Ask Jamo for the context.These were Salvadoreans at that place, not Mexicans. Maybe they don't allow catching or pitching down there.
I'm gonna text "chukis" and "superwow" to Chris right now.
FUCK THAT, NOW THE 7" ISN'T AS LIMITED!!!!!
Just kidding. Cool they did that, but I could see someone getting pissed that the pressing will be increased, which is funny.
Thats like saying theres good pizza in Tucson because the owner is Italian...
Thats like saying theres good pizza in Tucson because the owner is Italian...
There's absolutely no good pizza in Tucson? That sucks.
NOPE
The best is Zacharys...and by northeastern standards (im a transplant) its just...edible.
The pizza crusts are all gummy and and too mealy...
They cant do chinese out here for shit either...altho its excellent across the line in mexico
hows about this...You pick the best Wisconsin has to offer in Mexican cuisine and ill bring out the absolute worst place in Nogales or Yuma and we will have a winner in 0.2 seconds.
La Fabula Pizzeria in Nogales, Mexico... Best topping: cuacha!
hows about this...You pick the best Wisconsin has to offer in Mexican cuisine and ill bring out the absolute worst place in Nogales or Yuma and we will have a winner in 0.2 seconds.
God, I did not want to get into this but I actually ate in Nogales once and I'll take the aforementioned TBM and El Sarape anyday...but I'm no expert as today I ate at McDonalds & Hardees. Jesus, if only Eric The Midget was live on the JFSC right now....
I think somebody briefly touched on it, but with a lot of this, so much hinges on the quality of the meat. Some hole in the wall Chicago place where you have order in Spanish is likely to be "authentic" and know their spices, but its very doubtful that they're gonna have quality meats.
Also, if there's some gifted, creative Mexican cook, the odds are he ain't gonna be content flipping tortillas his whole life and making the exact same shit his granny did. I prefer a chef who experiments and tries to come up with his own dishes, its far more interesting than a strict tradtionalist.
I mean, we have such a wide variety of high quality foods available to us now, more so than ever before. Why stick to the old stuff? My grandma had a few outstanding dishes(NOTE:No one knows what a good lima bean tastes like), but a lot of it was crap. Now, I'm not saying "baby out with the bath water", but if I'm making a burrito is it so awful to toss in some garam masala and sriracha, it it tastes good?
We definitely shouldn't forget the old arts, the old recipes, but now more than ever, the onus is upon us to experiment.
Around 11:45 I'll be preordering my lunch from the Chinese place next door. I can get extra stuff if anyone's interested in a trade.
Around 11:45 I'll be preordering my lunch from the Chinese place next door. I can get extra stuff if anyone's interested in a trade.
too many people tried to pre-order the Schezwan HOT chicken, which resulted in the chinese place being overloaded and it crashed...while trying to place the pre-order over the phone, mr. lee was talking super super slooow and it was taking forever.
other people who wanted beef broccoli or sweet and sour tofu couldn't even order due to all the schezwan pre order people inundating the restaurant.
they called it off and told everyone who wants Schezwan HOT chicken will have to try again tomorrow...
Around 11:45 I'll be preordering my lunch from the Chinese place next door. I can get extra stuff if anyone's interested in a trade.
(http://www.lataco.com/taco_man.jpg)
Some hole in the wall Chicago place where you have order in Spanish is likely to be "authentic" and know their spices, but its very doubtful that they're gonna have quality meats.This is also true at "authentic" Mexican places in California, the SW, and Mexico, unless you're going to upscale places. Places that charge $1.25 for a taco are not going to be using top-shelf cuts of meat. Like with any "cuisine of the people", the whole idea with Mexican street food is to take cheapo ingredients and make them taste delicious via preparation and seasoning. I've had upscale Mexican food a few times and I could totally taste the difference in the quality of the ingredients. While the food was indeed good, it tasted "wrong" somehow because I'm so used to eating from trucks and stands where guys polish a turd.
I work in the kitchen at a fairly upscale South American restaurant, and the freezer has boxes and boxes of pork butt (chorizo).Some hole in the wall Chicago place where you have order in Spanish is likely to be "authentic" and know their spices, but its very doubtful that they're gonna have quality meats.Like with any "cuisine of the people", the whole idea with Mexican street food is to take cheapo ingredients and make them taste delicious via preparation and seasoning.
Some hole in the wall Chicago place where you have order in Spanish is likely to be "authentic" and know their spices, but its very doubtful that they're gonna have quality meats.This is also true at "authentic" Mexican places in California, the SW, and Mexico, unless you're going to upscale places. Places that charge $1.25 for a taco are not going to be using top-shelf cuts of meat. Like with any "cuisine of the people", the whole idea with Mexican street food is to take cheapo ingredients and make them taste delicious via preparation and seasoning. I've had upscale Mexican food a few times and I could totally taste the difference in the quality of the ingredients. While the food was indeed good, it tasted "wrong" somehow because I'm so used to eating from trucks and stands where guys polish a turd.
Authentic Chinese food is a whole different animal (literally) from Mexican. Believe me, 99% of non-Asian Americans are not going to want to eat the bulk of the authentic stuff they're serving at those places. There's a reason many places around here have a Chinese-only menu in addition to their menu that's in both English and Chinese. People who can't read Chinese do NOT want to eat what's on that Chinese-only menu.
When it comes to Mexican food, I'm all about eating what the Mexicans eat. With Chinese food, not so much.
Not sure about the Chinese comment though maybe the real rural food- like rotten tofu- is nasty.
dudes. at a red light today....
DEL TACO 3 for $1.29. My eyes opened a lil bigger.
del taco's cheapo tacos suck ass. but for some reaosn it was thee hang out for me and my pals back in 9th grade. course that was Orem, Utah so i mean what you gonna do.Dude, they got Betos, er 'scuse me, Rancheritos! in Orem.
I ORDERED AND PAID FOR THE THIRD ONE. GOT A CONFIRMATION EMAIL AND EVERYTHING AND THE THING NEVER FUCKING SHOWED UP. FUCK JAY AND MATADOR. THIEVES.Can you forward me your confirmation e-mail and I'll try to figure out what is going on with your order. dave at matadordirect.com
betos was a little too far down state street for us to walk to. del taco was a lot closer!del taco's cheapo tacos suck ass. but for some reaosn it was thee hang out for me and my pals back in 9th grade. course that was Orem, Utah so i mean what you gonna do.Dude, they got Betos, er 'scuse me, Rancheritos! in Orem.
I actually dig the cheap Del Taco tacos, but then I'm substituting the meat for beans, so I'm not really getting the full effect.