Fuck these are already going fast.
7 bucks, christi know what happened to the $4.00 7"? guess i'm still livin' in the 90's.
$8 ppd isn't too much to ask for a high-quality single with good tunes on it.
I know man I'm just clowning.
Payed. Yellow?
way too many great blank dogs records, keep 'em coming.
i forgot i even ordered this
any idea on when they ship?
Dave - Termbo is a simple new music information site catering to punk and alternative bands.
I think his favorite bands are the ones I booked for a powerpop festival a couple of years ago, which is pretty ironic.
sold all my B. Dogs records years ago to Dave Lord. Dave then sold them to Fag Cop who uses them as coasters.
Anybody have any luck selling Blank Dogs pre-orders on ebay? IS THAT AGAINST THE RULES? I mean if everyone wants to suck Mike Snipers dick we all should make a little money off it...don'tcha think? One Blank Dogs 7" sold on ebay = about 10 pop records I'll actually listen to more than once. There's a lot of money to made in garbage.
Dave - Termbo is a simple new music information site catering to punk and alternative bands. Many of the old timers (in a newbie)are the musicians, record labels, record distributors, disc jockeys,and record store employees. Many are young who are struggling to make their rent/utilities during this tough economic time.
With this in mind I try not to let my own personal musical tastes clutter the message board - so I saw Bob Marley and Lynyrd Skynyrd live - No one really cares about my personal history or musical tastes unless it is catering to current punk or underground music from mostly within the last 8-10 years.
So to be a contributor, both you and I should keep the message boards
informative, humorous, creative, and opinionated (backed up by WHY one has an
opinion). Most of us serious fans could care less about individual negative
opinions (including my own - their are plenty of popular termbo bands I
don't care for). But since I like Lynyrd Skynyrd I would be foolish to judge
any persons taste that is 25 years younger than me.
So use the message board to state what is exciting about music (Dave, what
music are you listening to that his been issued in the last 8 years that is punk
rock that excites you and state why it hits home with you??).
That's what I want to hear from you. I want the posters on the message board
to educate me as my musical knowledge is always evolving. Slagging new
young musicians is just too easy and cheap. Even the non-fans don't
want to waste their time reading this. Your negative attitude will only come
around to bite you in the ass. Get a grip and tell me whats happening/exciting.
I'm busy bagging groceries!
Cleanup in aisle 5.
I'm busy bagging groceries!
Cleanup in aisle 5.
dude, that's fucking adorable!
I'm busy bagging groceries!
Cleanup in aisle 5.
dude, that's fucking adorable!
I love that First Base tape.
I'm busy bagging groceries!
Cleanup in aisle 5.
dude, that's fucking adorable!
I love that First Base tape.
We all do! I have about 10 songs d/l off their web page at various times. All amazing. There are at least 3 great 7"s there.
I'm busy bagging groceries!
Cleanup in aisle 5.
dude, that's fucking adorable!
I love that First Base tape.
We all do! I have about 10 songs d/l off their web page at various times. All amazing. There are at least 3 great 7"s there.
Please email those songs to:
capturedtracks@gmail.com
sold all my B. Dogs records years ago to Dave Lord. Dave then sold them to Fag Cop who uses them as coasters.
Ha! How ironic that is. Fag Cop is the #1 Blank Dogs fan in Kansas and doesn't even get to play with them in Lawrence. Who's booking that tour anyway?
wait did i miss the captured tracks 12" preorder?There was no preorder.
Wish I could have made the alternate covers.
I like to have control over the art..
Wish I could have made the alternate covers.
I like to have control over the art..
A little bird told me that the shit-stain that does Down In The Ground is a few days from getting knifed due to ebaying a copy of the 3-way split before giving them to the other 2 bands. And then lying about it. Over and over. No surprise that this fucker is at his tricks again a few years later.
A little bird told me that the shit-stain that does Down In The Ground is a few days from getting knifed due to ebaying a copy of the 3-way split before giving them to the other 2 bands. And then lying about it. Over and over. No surprise that this fucker is at his tricks again a few years later.
OMG OMG WTF!!!!
THIS ISN'T AS RARE AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.....FUCK!!!
25% more records = 25% less speculative value!!!
You should paypal us a 25% discount!!!
>:(
Is this the same douche who ran away from Portland? Do things ever change? Good luck. To anyone who doesn't know well enough not to deal with you, be cautious.
Is this the same douche who ran away from Portland? Do things ever change? Good luck. To anyone who doesn't know well enough not to deal with you, be cautious.
teenage panzerkorps 7"
It would also be nice if he clued us in on why we don't have our records.
WOUNDED LION AND TEENAGE PANZERKORPS 7"s OUT IN FEBRUARY.
i think i need to read this thread then offer my humorous comments and observations
I ordered the Cold Cave 3-way single a week or two ago, is that going to ship with this or are they separate entities?
i think i need to read this thread then offer my humorous comments and observations
People are trying to buy the 37th Blank Dog record with no luck is what I'm gathering after twelve pages, I await yer commentary sir.
I have kind of a related question for Mike. If you run your own label(s), why do you put records out on other labels? Just saves you the trouble, time, investment? Just wondering.
from now on there will be a "no preorder" clause if I do a record with a smaller label again
Your claims will be denied if they are over 45 days old, I already tried it on the Wounded Lion order and got shot down.
Your claims will be denied if they are over 45 days old, I already tried it on the Wounded Lion order and got shot down.
That makes no sense whatsoever. Shooting down claims because it's taken the label too long to send stuff? Shouldn't claims be shot down if it's too early to file a claim and not the other way around?
My new policy is to file a claim, automatically, on Day 44.
I've gotten the 3-way split, as well as another record from this guy. No worries here (yet).
Termbo is a simple new music information site catering to punk and alternative bands.
You can always reach him at: easttllakeboy619 on eBay.
Actually James, I didn't want to sell it and his friend hit me to get one of everything...
Fuck these are already going fast.
Received a box today with the black sleeve version.
Really happy with the mastering.
I still ain't got shit. Not a single piece o' wax with the Down In the Ground name on it.
Well Brotherman, I do post updates. And 9 times out of 10 when I direct people to the website they go "woah, you have a website?"
The issue here is people are getting their records, each and every day. No one has been ripped off, and if someone feels that their time has been wasted and would like a refund, it's there for them if they write downintheground619@gmail.com.
SPOTTED!
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A handful of copies were for sale at that show. On a related note I'm pretty fucking sick of records w/blank labels. Give me a stamp, a goofy picture, anything! I'm sick of having to hold the record up to the light to try to read the matrix #s to figure out which side is which. I usually get out the sharpie and put a 1 and a 2 or something, but this time I made Sniper hand draw labels on my copy.
A handful of copies were for sale at that show. On a related note I'm pretty fucking sick of records w/blank labels. Give me a stamp, a goofy picture, anything! I'm sick of having to hold the record up to the light to try to read the matrix #s to figure out which side is which. I usually get out the sharpie and put a 1 and a 2 or something, but this time I made Sniper hand draw labels on my copy.
so it's $7 + shipping for blank labels and the wrong sleeve?
i guess having multiple colors of vinyl was more important that having labels on the record?
oh well, i shouldn't be telling people how to do their label/hobby...
Just check the matrix for a or b.
Just check the matrix for a or b.
That's what I don't have to do. Tired of holding the records up to the light trying to catch a glimpse of the a or b when that is what a fucking label is for. Seriously it feels like I've got to do the rest of the work w/lots of records that I buy.
Yeah well I'm not gonna cave on this like I did with cassettes.
i'm patient, too, but the least he can do is give an update...something. by now i should at least have recieved my altars and three way split.
plus, i emailed him at the address he gave and still haven't heard anything. some of the stuff i'm seeing/reading on other boards about him doesn't make me feel any better, either.
great way to get your name out there as someone to never do business with.
a contingency plan.
cd-r repress with bonus tracks
I will say that Imprint is backed up, I had to rush order Woods sleeves so they'd have them for tour.
this reminds me of the newsradio episode when phil hartman is conned into a gym membership by ben stiller and by the end he just wants his fuckin money back. down in the ground dude is like ben stiller and we are phil hartman
PAGING JON STEWART
is the guy who runs down in the ground in wavves? both are from san diego right?
they seem a bit more optimistic about getting their copies on the threeoneg forum.
Is this the same dude in Blessure Grave?Yes.
they seem a bit more optimistic about getting their copies on the threeoneg forum.
Has anyone sent a paypal request for their money back?
I don't want my money. I want my fucking records.
how fucking hard is it to send out some records? I just did my first release and it was a piece of piss...list of addresses, pack the mailers, write the addresses on the mailers, go to post office. Spent a whole day doing it but if thats what it takes then you do it.
22 pages of muck I can't wade through...can someone bring me up to speed? Is this out?
22 pages of muck I can't wade through...can someone bring me up to speed? Is this out?
I guess it is (Mike has band copies) but no one who preordered has received theirs yet.
Other revelations: this dude is known for scamming in the past and is also in that "band" Blessure Grave.
The same thing happened with the Suicide File/RNR 7" he did in 2003... I owned a test press, there was a website with scans of the pressing variations, a few copies were sold at the SF's last show... so the records definitely existed, but no one ever got their "pre-order" copies until another label took the release over (and I'm not sure if that panned out very well either).
Has anyone contacted dude to see when/if they will be shipped? Has he responded?
start posting comments on their myspace demanding the record
Has anyone contacted dude to see when/if they will be shipped? Has he responded?
the Herpes record is real; i ordered one and received it. i also got my records from mr. DITG last month; the blank dogs records i got have a b&w cover. so they do exist. why no one else got them (except rick?) makes no sense. someone get Robert Stack on the horn!
whats a mea culpa?fucking brilliant!
NEW LP. 333 COPIES on 666 DIFFERENT PRESSES. 444 variant chromium sleeve with 888 baseball cards. 111 people in line already so fuckin fuckin fuckin hurry!
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Ordered:same but i havent gotten nothing
Wounded Lion
B. Dogs
3-way split.
TTT, you've got a future in graphic design if you decide to ditch your non-day job.
Oh and mea culpa:
Noun 1. mea culpa - an acknowledgment of your error or guilt
If you want to make a personal call, his band will be playing the following places at the following dates:
Mar 25 2009 SODA BAR San Diego, California
Mar 27 2009 UC IRVINE Irvine, California
Apr 28 2009 THE SMELL Los Angeles, California
May 14 2009 ROSARY ROOM San Diego, California
i think denkinger is on to something: on the guy's band's myspace page he has a list of non-existent CMJ shows he is hoping to play in the fall. the people who got copies of the records tend to be people with labels or who are in the position to give it some pub (Rick Ele). i'd guess dude is very aware of who (he thinks) can help his music career and either sloths or rips off everyone else. its nothing new, these kind of creeps have been around forever.
If you want to make a personal call, his band will be playing the following places at the following dates:
Mar 25 2009 SODA BAR San Diego, California
Mar 27 2009 UC IRVINE Irvine, California
Apr 28 2009 THE SMELL Los Angeles, California
May 14 2009 ROSARY ROOM San Diego, California
One more thing: Given that Sniper is not only having his records put out by this creep, but is putting out creeps records and doing shows with his band AND the main record in question is the one by Sniper, I think it is totally reasonable to ask Mike what the fuck is going on and not to settle for one of his usual "Dude is a nice guy, just having a hard time getting it together." Too many of us have successfully released records and many more know how to use the postal service in order to buy that line.
Could the BBB really do anything to get a dude in his bedroom off of his ass?
<italianvoice>MAMA MIA CULPAAA!!!</italianvoice>
AIDS is so 1988, get with the program.
"You wish he would get ass cancer" is the hip curse.
Ordered:
Wounded Lion
B. Dogs
3-way split.
Since it's on his website anyway (until it gets taken down next month):
DOWN IN THE GROUND
3101 JUNIPER ST. APT 3.
SAN DIEGO, CA 92104
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It really would be something great if you could gather songs from records in limbo and put it out on a comp with that cover before any of it sees the light of day.
This is a double dog dare, TTT!
A TTT sub-label shall release it: Mea Culpa Records
Start taking pre-orders now. You can collect the tracks later over time.
Since it's on his website anyway (until it gets taken down next month):
DOWN IN THE GROUND
3101 JUNIPER ST. APT 3.
SAN DIEGO, CA 92104
too bad this dude doesn't live in the bay area cuz if he did, I'm sure a whole bunch of us would be having a big party on his doorstep at all hours til we get the records.
Playing with them in La. I'll be inquiring.
bonerdude just flips this shit anyway.
bonerdude just flips this shit anyway.
bitch, I only sold one CRAPPY No Bunny record and all of a sudden you think all I do is flip shit. suck it.
my reaction to being hatedbonerdude just flips this shit anyway.
bitch, I only sold one CRAPPY No Bunny record and all of a sudden you think all I do is flip shit. suck it.
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pieces of shit like bonerdude are just as bad as this fucking faggot down in the ground label fuck.
thanks for posting those shows he is playing...i can't wait to meet this guy...
bonerdude just flips this shit anyway.
bitch, I only sold one CRAPPY No Bunny record and all of a sudden you think all I do is flip shit. suck it.
pieces of shit like bonerdude are just as bad as this fucking faggot down in the ground label fuck.
thanks for posting those shows he is playing...i can't wait to meet this guy...
bbb called me up and said "yo matt. the shit is serious". got me MOVING. mea culpas and shit followed DI-RECTLY
I'm actually kind of worried that maybe something bad happened to the guy.
Is it hard to type with his dick in your mouth? Sorry, I couldn't resist!
Just seems like after you've taken money from people you have a responsibility to at least update them on what is going on. For the most part I think that people are pretty understanding that shit happens that is outside of your control. It's when you handle the situation by seemingly dropping off the face of the earth that people freak out.
Damn, this thread is incredible. I really want a copy of Pre Orders Across the Internet now!
If you are too busy to reply to every email it seems like it would be better to put on an auto-reply that explains the status and details of what is going on rather than just ignore everyone.
And I should add that I'm usually the first one to make fun of all you retarded record collectors freaking out about stupid shit.
Damn, this thread is incredible. I really want a copy of Pre Orders Across the Internet now!
It's rainin submissions!
once again: calling all bands who ever had a reasonably funky ass preorder happen to em, a dirty deal done over their heads, or a sketched out scam brokered by the middleman in the telephone booth across the street in the rain. Send me your submissions. its just a comp. it aint gonna ruin the regular records (if they ever come out). this way something cool at least happens.
If you are too busy to reply to every email it seems like it would be better to put on an auto-reply that explains the status and details of what is going on rather than just ignore everyone.
And I should add that I'm usually the first one to make fun of all you retarded record collectors freaking out about stupid shit.
I've never done that, but I agree. I have my own methods on keeping tack of insane amounts ot e-mails, what has been responded to, what needs to be kept as new. ...I just cant imagine this specific situation for him is like that, ten, twenty fold.
His intentions with this have always been to churn out a shitload of stuff, and be able to continue to churn out even more, and there's been nothing but hang ups and roadblocks
1. a week and a half have gone by, and I have 30 orders that need to go out, and on occasion, things DO get messed up.
2. no more than 35 people did it. Despite saying it would not mail until the end of January or whatever, before January was over, I had AT LEAST 10 of these people e-mailing me multiple times about the "status" of their order. Which is obviously annoying.
3. But there's also reasonable explanations that he's shot in there when he could. And for everyone one of you that hasn't gotten anything, there's like 10 that have. And the process has been slow, but you know, how oten to you hear from the satisfied costumer who doesn't lurk message boards?
It's also not just the Blank Dogs record that people aren't receiving; it's all four of his releases. So you can't blame the printers or the pressing plant for everything as that's not very likely, especially when he has claimed that half of them are out and have been shipped, yet never received.
spelling errors? pain killers. I have a horribly injured back.
any other time, I wouldn't be talking so much on the fucking internet, especially here. haha.
It's also not just the Blank Dogs record that people aren't receiving; it's all four of his releases. So you can't blame the printers or the pressing plant for everything as that's not very likely, especially when he has claimed that half of them are out and have been shipped, yet never received.
My impression is that if you had only ordered on thing, it was sent. If multiples or one than another, tey were waiting to be sent together.
I wish that more people that have actually received the recs would post on here, as well.
Tina!
I work 60 hours a week.
put out / pack up recs.
TRY to play in bands.
NO FRIENDS.
Acquaintances only.
:(
My impression is that if you had only ordered on thing, it was sent. If multiples or one than another, tey were waiting to be sent together.
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Well I paid like 3 or 4 dollars shipping on each of the 3 records I ordered, and I was told that they would each be shipped as they came out, which is why I let that shit slide. Good intentions or not, it's not too hard to at least communicate with people that are obviously waiting on their shit. And I would imagine people aren't that angry, just annoyed, it's like 20 bucks or whatever. It's the internet, get used to it already.
especially here. haha.
The little bitch lives on the internet for years and then drop off when its time to own up to being a fuck up. Sounds familiar, like something he did exactly 5 or 6 years ago.
One notorious internet rip off faggot sticks up for another. A classic gay love story.
The little bitch lives on the internet for years and then drop off when its time to own up to being a fuck up. Sounds familiar, like something he did exactly 5 or 6 years ago.
What did he do then? I'm intrigued.
That's a very simplified version of the story. It was a multi label project, andhewastheonly one that didn't bail, leaving it to be too much to do for one person, financially.
That's a very simplified version of the story. It was a multi label project, andhewastheonly one that didn't bail, leaving it to be too much to do for one person, financially.
Wait, one 45 was too much to handle financially? Sorry, if you can't afford that, don't start a label. Where did all the pre-order money go?
Someone somewhere, can't seem to remember who, once wrote something intelligent about the punk scene not being ruined by "big business" but by idealists who take on too much responsibility and caves in.
when it was gonna be 1/3 each, I ended up doing 4/6s
I'm actually kind of worried that maybe something bad happened to the guy.
The dude's personal Myspace seems to have been checked. I bet he's safe.
I talked to Toby like a week or two ago.
I'm not making excuses or some elaborate story, but I can tell you that despite coming across like a mega flake and fuck up to everyone, he really has good intentions and is a positive guy.
Like Rick, I've known Toby for like 6 years now. I write this off to be this: he's got a ton of shit going on that's all crazy, and it is very hard to keep up.
I do a label, Gilgongo, and like Toby, have a normal job, and sometimes, I myself end up in weird situations where a week and a half have gone by, and I have 30 orders that need to go out, and on occasion, things DO get messed up.
There's so many other things at play.
This was a pre-order, I still don't think he has the physical covers from Imprint. Imprint does the 7"s in house, but had new machinery, and it was causing a delay. Ask around, he's not the only one that's had to deal with it.
In comparison, with me working a typically 10 hour a day job, and alway splaying or going to shows, I have a hard time keeping track of all the small things with each order and blah blah blah. That's an average of 20 a week.
Toby's got infinite times more than that on his plate, minimal time to deal with it, and an instantaneos backlash by people.
Another comparison. I just released a new CD for a folky guy, Stephen Steinbrink, who used to be French quarter. I did a pre=order, it came with a zine and an extra CDr, no more than 35 people did it. Despite saying it would not mail until the end of January or whatever, before January was over, I had AT LEAST 10 of these people e-mailing me multiple times about the "status" of their order. Which is obviously annoying.
Although he doesn't have specific dates thrown down, and I would not argue that a lot of time has gone by, it's also impossible to place some blame for the overwhelming backlash on the nature of the consumre. In my case, it was indie dorks on a CD,... you guys are legit collectors on some hyped projects.
That sound shitty maybe, but perhaps you get what I mean?
Anyway, when I talked to him, he was talking about quitting the label after these things wrap up, beause the ammount of stress he was getting from the plants fucking things up, the cover makers having huge delays, and so so so many people complaining and pissed, he felt burnt out and already, the the cons outweighed the pros, and in that case, I am sure they do.
I reassured him that what he's doing with this label is valid. You can all go fuck yourself if you can't acknowledge that these are exiting releases, right?
But agreed, in the future? a preorder is totally a shitty idea until you've got a verson of the final product sitting in there with you, or have fair reason to no have concerns.
Obviously, I am friends with this guy. No shit.
however, it goes deeper than that. ...being another person that puts things out and seeing the ammount of unrealistic backlash you can receive makes me sympathetic to how this is playing out and why he is so bummed.
Dude's a sweet heart who has consistently had other people shit all over him and then felt like a target when the community writes it off as "this retard shat on himself". He's not perfect, no one on here is, but he's not doing this with bad intentions.
Not to mention all of this, he's running this in teamwork with his partner / girlfriend, who is also a legit person who also works her ass of doing great work in the normal world. (like myself).
It just really bums me out to see an entire group of people completely tear down someone. I'm not saying none of the complaints are valid. Duh, some are. But there's also reasonable explanations that he's shot in there when he could. And for everyone one of you that hasn't gotten anything, there's like 10 that have. And the process has been slow, but you know, how oten to you hear from the satisfied costumer who doesn't lurk message boards?
Let me tell you something else...
Two sides to every story regarding most things, since people want to dig up issues relating to HARDCORE and forever ago. I will instead of address the fact that his side is both sad and compelling, the fact that he's been touring all over the country every since, and not a single person has ever followed through with one of this silly fucking threats, and in some cases, meet him and things are cool and fine.
Toby is extremely ambitious, loves fucked shit, and was more than ready to dive into this full force. He's been hit by a train of bad luck, that get's flipped all on top of him, and it's a fucking bummer to watch.
I wish he'd be on here more, with more explanations, but can't blame him for steering clear of a constant onslaught of negativity, doubt and slander.
Damn, this thread is incredible. I really want a copy of Pre Orders Across the Internet now!
It's rainin submissions!
once again: calling all bands who ever had a reasonably funky ass preorder happen to em, a dirty deal done over their heads, or a sketched out scam brokered by the middleman in the telephone booth across the street in the rain. Send me your submissions. its just a comp. it aint gonna ruin the regular records (if they ever come out). this way something cool at least happens.
Toby loves fucked shit
It's funny to think of someone releasing Blank Dogs or Cold Cave records out of "idealism." Those are two of the most hyped indie-rock bands in the country and they're probably getting more record offers than they can handle.
Every underground scene has its share of flakey, unprofessional people who can't keep it together and then fall back on some "we're all in this together," "I'm just trying to do something cool for the scene" bullshit. That's especially stupid when the bands in question have records lined up on major indie labels like In the Red or Troubleman or whatever. They don't need some shitty upstart label to release their records at this point.
If you really believe in somebody's music (your own or someone else's) and if it's something worth believing in (Cold Cave? Blank Dogs?) you do what countless people have done before you and get it done.
Fuck this dude, fuck his band, fuck his label. Tell your buddy to send me my fucking record and then move on to another scene to scam.This sums up my feeling for this issue pretty well
And for everyone one of you that hasn't gotten anything, there's like 10 that have. And the process has been slow, but you know, how oten to you hear from the satisfied costumer who doesn't lurk message boards?That comment is sooo far from true. I, too, am down a wounded lion 7", blank dogs 7", and the split. i don't complain ever on message boards, i'm only on here to talk about cool bands and get privy to cool records. but when someone is protecting and defending this douche i have to say something. i think for every 1 person posting and complaining on here there are 10 people wondering patiently at home if they got ripped off. fuck this dude.
And for everyone one of you that hasn't gotten anything, there's like 10 that have. And the process has been slow, but you know, how oten to you hear from the satisfied costumer who doesn't lurk message boards?That comment is sooo far from true. I, too, am down a wounded lion 7", blank dogs 7", and the split. i don't complain ever on message boards, i'm only on here to talk about cool bands and get privy to cool records. but when someone is protecting and defending this douche i have to say something. i think for every 1 person posting and complaining on here there are 10 people wondering patiently at home if they got ripped off. fuck this dude.
when it was gonna be 1/3 each, I ended up doing 4/6s
Wait, why did you suddenly change from thirds to sixths?
jameshella- thought you were altars person- apologies if you are not
even then defending this fool is insane. there aren't 30 some pages of complaints because he rules and has good intentions.
his current actions are his admittance that he fucked up. bottom line.
when thesmoke clears, things will be pretty smooth and people on both sides will be ultra apologetic.
people on both sides will be ultra apologetic.
i may have been wrong about who you are but you are clearly a faggot.
And for everyone one of you that hasn't gotten anything, there's like 10 that have. And the process has been slow, but you know, how oten to you hear from the satisfied costumer who doesn't lurk message boards?That comment is sooo far from true. I, too, am down a wounded lion 7", blank dogs 7", and the split. i don't complain ever on message boards, i'm only on here to talk about cool bands and get privy to cool records. but when someone is protecting and defending this douche i have to say something. i think for every 1 person posting and complaining on here there are 10 people wondering patiently at home if they got ripped off. fuck this dude.
This is nothing new for Toby. he'll just change the name and style of what he's doing and pop up again somewhere else and rip off some other kids until he ends up in jail, where he deserves to be. He used to live in Portland... just try to find someone here that has anything nice to say about him... Good intentions... James, you need some new friends, bro. Just sayin. My name is James too, maybe we can be friends?
just got all of these in the mail, wow!
just got all of these in the mail, wow!
I find it frustrating and have made the past few posts because there seems to be an overall vibe that this guy is intentionally fucking people over, and quite frankly, and Ithink Rick can agree with me, thatjust does not seem unlikley.
its obvious to me from what argumetix said that this guy is just a person that grabs onto whatever music is trendy at the moment and exploits it to his own end. read the thread, he has done this before and will do it again
James, may I make a polite suggestion? If you are a long-time friend of the guy, can you suggest to him to come back on here and level-headedly clear this up? Not snobbishly, or evasively, like he has done before. But in an honest, straight-forward manner?
and rick's Officer Brad x example is perfect. Officer Brad was over his head and his intentions were okay AND he rolled with the shit that he got on termbo. he actually took it with a sense of humor and it turned more into a running joke rather than accusations of being ripped off. but what Officer Brad did which toby does not is keep people in the loop. it is as simple as that.
Plus, didn't the lathe cut guy have his arms ripped off by an orca then stapled back on backwards? Explains the sound quality of the final product.
its obvious to me from what argumetix said that this guy is just a person that grabs onto whatever music is trendy at the moment and exploits it to his own end. read the thread, he has done this before and will do it again
They have baddish blood. Bad personal joke from one of Toby's bandmates or something. Not related/ off task. I don't think Toby and that James have any issues.
This is nothing new for Toby. he'll just change the name and style of what he's doing and pop up again somewhere else and rip off some other kids until he ends up in jail, where he deserves to be. He used to live in Portland... just try to find someone here that has anything nice to say about him... Good intentions... James, you need some new friends, bro. Just sayin. My name is James too, maybe we can be friends?
and the very bottom-line finally... if Rick Ele is losing hope... the end is truly near. word.
DITG should come on here and delete this thread...
DITG should come on here and delete this thread...
LEAVE THE MAN ALONE! HE IS A GOOD MAN. A GOOD MAN I TELL YOU!
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I think people need to chill the fuck out about the 7-20$ they stand to lose.
Hey James! Glad you like that zine!! I'm working on writing a play now!
Not to mention the fact that Cold Cave fucking sucks...while sending their money out to some hardcore kid who discovered Fruity Loops and OMD. BOOOO!
And if you think James Fella is the OMG, URLAMEZORS of the internet, the best way to resolve that is to spin his side from the split cassette with N.213.
Dude....You got any more solo stuff like this? This is great stuff!
Five dollars worth of drugs! I was dealing then... which illustrates my point.
Two of my friends recently ripped me off, one for ten bucks, the other for thirty (but called it twenty). This at a time when I'm broke and unemployed. Big deal, get real. Move along. Life goes on.
Life goes on.
actually this blank dogs record is the most important one to date and his best. so i want it.
I jusy want my fucking Blank Dogggs records.
I think people need to chill the fuck out about the 7-20$ they stand to lose. Y'all are starting to sound straight out of the drug world. Threats of violence and imprisonment over chump change.
And if you think James Fella is the OMG, URLAMEZORS of the internet, the best way to resolve that is to spin his side from the split cassette with N.213.
Dude....You got any more solo stuff like this? This is great stuff!
It's all over the place. Maybe I haven't sent that much over the years? I will drop you a package sometime. Working on some new tapes, an LP or too. But all different. Did you did that DVD or what? Seemed like something you would be into, and Ihad like 10 of them.
Kevin I think your stance on this is retarded. I mean sure, these people are also retarded for caring so much about records, but ultimately they are right. There is a right way to do business and interact with people and there is a shitty way.
Kevin I think your stance on this is retarded. I mean sure, these people are also retarded for caring so much about records, but ultimately they are right. There is a right way to do business and interact with people and there is a shitty way.
Blank Dogs is our Black Flag. Cold Cave is our Minutemen.
QuoteI jusy want my fucking Blank Dogggs records.
Frankly, I'm shocked to find you so impassioned about the band.
Kevin I think your stance on this is retarded. I mean sure, these people are also retarded for caring so much about records, but ultimately they are right. There is a right way to do business and interact with people and there is a shitty way.
It's not that I think that anyone is wrong here, I just think that they're very, very silly.
I think this makes The Chinese Restaurants "our Zoogz Rift."
It's really not so much about the music for me at this point. I just hate it when when people try and pull some shit over on me. It's about principles now, not so much the record itself. I demand justice.
The xeroxed sleeve is really not that shitty. Actually, I kind of like it.
i think the sleeve is fine, but $8 for a record with xerox b & w sleeves, no labels, and (in almost every case) no records is not such a hot deal.
I have this friend Brent. He's got a tattoo of the flower off of Violator on his forearm. The dude is serious about synthpop. Him and my friends, Geris, Jesse and I are all pretty serious about synthpop. Anyway, that dude Brent has this thing called Sweet Emulation Project..
I have this friend Brent. He's got a tattoo of the flower off of Violator on his forearm. The dude is serious about synthpop. Him and my friends, Geris, Jesse and I are all pretty serious about synthpop. Anyway, that dude Brent has this thing called Sweet Emulation Project..
where can i hear sweet emulation project?
I'm really glad I was never a "hardcore kid".
There are riffs in hardcore?
"noise not music"
-Discharge
Pookie, you know I don't hate Cold Cave, but do you really think this shit sounds like Maurizio Bianchi and SPK?
it cracks me up that the dude from american nightmare does cold cave. i saw him at an outside clockcleaner show or something a few years back in philly, and despite it being super hot hot, there he was in a weird european jacket (OR SOMETHING, I HAVE NO IDEA), some fucked up dress pants, and man rings.
man rings.
Two of my friends recently ripped me off, one for ten bucks, the other for thirty (but called it twenty). This at a time when I'm broke and unemployed. Big deal, get real. Move along. Life goes on.
man rings.
Is it the singer of American Nightmare? Doesn't dude only have like 1 and a half arms and is missing a hand??? That guy screwed me out of a job once.
man rings.
Is it the singer of American Nightmare? Doesn't dude only have like 1 and a half arms and is missing a hand??? That guy screwed me out of a job once.
Are you missing both arms or something?
Yeah, Wes only has one hand, but he could probably beat off anyone on this board senseless with his other hand.
also fuck that soft shoulder faggot james fella
Got a quote...just for fun...Imprint turnaround time: 10-12 days. Any volume, any job.
I LOVED it, picked it up somewhere on tour. I played at a house, maybe one of the Inteligance dudes? Not sure. With Nu Sensae and Nick / Tunnels - where you there?
Also, for the record, I will break the hands of anyone who ever steals even a penny from me
Every goingtocutan LP of your declarationofknowing that yourcat isjustpretending to be your friend? {context not exact}
QuoteAlso, for the record, I will break the hands of anyone who ever steals even a penny from me
Soooo, if you had ordered this 7" from DITG you'd be looking to break this guy's hands the same as the rest of us, yeah?
Nu Sensei killed it, it's their side of the split with Syrup from your town, who I know you know. And Ihad never heard Tunnels doing dance music - it was fucking wild / funny / perfect. My ex, and still close friend Annis long time best friends with Morgan. I think you guys heard cats together, or SOMETHING.
Syrup (RIP)...
In any event, here's to hoping that TTT gets that comp together. And to think I was just joking when I suggested that! (I was just setting up another "PAYPAL'D" joke, don'tcha know??!?)
WHAT WAS THE PRANK
WHAT WAS THE PRANK
They fucked up his computer's keyboard so that everything was in caps and lacking the appropriate punctuation, thus making him look stupid.
Syrup (RIP)...
Philip's now doing Pariah Veil.
I love that as a band name!
Literally, the month that he was about to put that Post-Alarmist Dracula Safari LP out,
Literally, the month that he was about to put that Post-Alarmist Dracula Safari LP out,
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I didn't even notice this line. Anyone who came up with a title as precious as that deserves to be kicked in the balls on sight. Lots.
WHAT WAS THE PRANK
They fucked up his computer's keyboard so that everything was in caps and lacking the appropriate punctuation, thus making him look stupid.
At the same time it's equally hilarious what a flakey douche this WOLFGUTSS is turning out to be. What kinda audacious jerk takes the money and runs like this?Its cause he's got wolf gutss, man. The guts of the wolf! Rawr...
Literally, the month that he was about to put that Post-Alarmist Dracula Safari LP out,
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I didn't even notice this line. Anyone who came up with a title as precious as that deserves to be kicked in the balls on sight. Lots.
When I heard that there was a band called Teengenerate, I thought "Whatever happened to originality?", but I sure am glad I didn't write them off based on a name.
You know the dude in Cold Cave was going to start a synthpop band eventually once he figured out most of the synths used back in the day were monophonic.
I do have to admit, Cold Cave looks pretty good live:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AckxOWz868k
And I like Blank Dogs, but anyone else mining the "home recorded solo synth pop" sound is a bandwagon jumping turd ESPECIALLY if they used to be in fucking hardcore bands. C'mon people.
I don't see how being somewhat concerned with whether you're going to get records you paid for translates to being a junkie.
Interesting sir. But Catatonic Youth is synthpop? I hear the same "hardcore" in them that I get off Black Flag.....ON WEEEEEED. Its more like digital age pot smoker greg ginn love than synth pop. Ps who the fuck is that guy anyways?
Interesting sir. But Catatonic Youth is synthpop? I hear the same "hardcore" in them that I get off Black Flag.....ON WEEEEEED. Its more like digital age pot smoker greg ginn love than synth pop. Ps who the fuck is that guy anyways?
CY are tied to a well-known current hardcore band.
Beneath the Buried and Me.
Beneath the Buried and Me.
i hope i'm not the only person who doesn't understand that band name.
well yeah, but how much research can you do on a brand new label?
It would be cool if bands did a little research on the labels they agree to let release their records.
It would be cool if bands did a little research on the labels they agree to let release their records.
we werent a scam mailorder we just had a run of bad luck with our old post office. we havent had any problems since we moved. just mailed out over 500 mailorders from the new batch and so far so good.
( terje i got your email as well)...
we werent a scam mailorder we just had a run of bad luck with our old post office. we havent had any problems since we moved. just mailed out over 500 mailorders from the new batch and so far so good.
( terje i got your email as well)...
And bad luck with answering emails?
i'm sorry, but i'm still laughing over the idea that we should contact the Better Business Bureau to get on this dude's case.
anyone who is missing stuff email orders@troublemanunlimited.com
we will send you stuff, refund you or both. we'll throw in free stuff too.
olive branch 2k9
i'm sorry, but i'm still laughing over the idea that we should contact the Better Business Bureau to get on this dude's case.
if you don't get your records and this person has done stuff like this before chances are it will be done again..it may not be a bad idea.
i'm sorry, but i'm still laughing over the idea that we should contact the Better Business Bureau to get on this dude's case.
if you don't get your records and this person has done stuff like this before chances are it will be done again..it may not be a bad idea.
perhaps, if this dude, and 90% of the other record companies here, were anywhere near legitimate businesses in the eyes of the state. this is like calling the BBB on yr weed dealer cos he ripped you off.
I am at peace.
i bet they show up on 4/1 heehee
money sent. psyched, etc.
If I make T-shirts that say:throw in a pic of the world trade center for good measure and yer on!
IN HERE 7" 2009
NEVER FORGET!
will anyone buy one?
If I make T-shirts that say:throw in a pic of the world trade center for good measure and yer on!
IN HERE 7" 2009
NEVER FORGET!
will anyone buy one?
yes. just make sure sniper provides some mask imagery to make it all the more blank dogsian.
im seeing blank dogs tonight i wonder if mike will have any copies of these for sale
I bet sniper's back up plan is to make CDRs for everyone who bought one or something.
im seeing blank dogs tonight i wonder if mike will have any copies of these for sale
if he does, buy one and make mp3s of it goddammit so at least we can have that. we all bought it so it's not like we're crooks.
I bet sniper's back up plan is to make CDRs for everyone who bought one or something.
I bet sniper's back up plan is to make CDRs for everyone who bought one or something.
he's said elsewhere on this board that, if the records did indeed vanish forever, he would release it on his own record company for very cheap.
they're here!
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http://www.mediafire.com/?atzmwomnzye
The greater tragedy here is the Wounded Lion 7" now beyond our grasp.
The Wounded Lion is a co-release so there is still hope and an interested second party.
they're here!
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oh dang! is that that one kid you molested that couple o times?!?!?
The greater tragedy here is the Wounded Lion 7" now beyond our grasp.The Wounded Lion is a co-release so there is still hope and an interested second party.
That's with me. My half has been paid for. If things get fucked on that one too, you can all laugh your ass off at me, cause I'd be out a shit load more than any of you. It has not been put into production yet. For the record, the pre-orders are all him. My copies are going to stores. I'll have a small chunk for mailorder (and for S-S).
I asked to go in on it with him because I wanted to ask Wounded Lion to do a record (after Scott's 7" was pretty much my favorite thing to come out last year), and so I said "let's go halvsies!" - the band and him already had it going, I just jumped on with the okay of the band too (because I had already been in contact with them about how much I loved the first single).
I believe Toby's a good person with shitty luck (there's two and three sides to stories, including that ancient one about the SF/RNR 7") and apt to get frustrated and be less up front than would be to his own benefit, and I KNOW that he is not putting out records to be a fucking scam artist. He's stoked on music, has been CONSTANTLY touring for 5 years in his last band, not sitting in a room stealing people's $$$ on "fake records" - give me a break. Most of this is domino effect bullshit that I hope an be cleared up like this:
As things finally come together (I don't even know if he's gotten the Blank Dog covers (the real ones) from Imprint yet), and all things slowly but surely arrive to everyone, and they are people's favorite new records and all, that he can just toss out a fair explanation and apology, and just never do pre-orders for records again.
I can't make it clear enough: I'm not excusing the way all this shit has been handled at all. I just don't believe the ill intent that a lot of you guys are claiming is at all for real. This is a very ambitious start to a label that if can be cleaned up and set right, could potentially be a long lasting great one.
But like I said, instead of calling me a faggot or telling me to fuck off or whatever random comments have been tossed my way, if you're so sure that all he is is a fucking scam artist, then feel free to let it rip when I'm out for half the cost of the press of an entire 7".
Blank Dogs were good tonight, by the way (nice meeting you for a sec Mike, wish we had more positive to throw down about). and Eat Skull were fucked and wrecked and great. Crashing in the other room while I am pointlessly explaining things to kids on a message board at 1:31am when I have to wake up for work at 6.
Such is life. Up da punx.
they're here!
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oh dang! is that that one kid you molested that couple o times?!?!?
yeah. in this pic he's ALL pissed off again from the shackle-burn. every time i take him out of the boy closet he whines like a little bitch. last time i threw a football at his head and he just cried more. i had to give him a free shirt and a bowl of raisins to shut him the fuck up. after i lock him back up i also have to leave animal planet on the TV when i go to work or i come home to neighbors asking about the screaming boy. gay. slaves are supposed to be SUBMISSIVE. not todays slaves. fuckers have ATTITUDES.
no but I seriously wonder if a serial killer ever had a good enough sense of humor that he would like cut a baby arm off and then just for a joke stroke off his dick with it like "hey check it out! im gettin jacked off by a baby arm!" and then toss it aside and just laugh hysterically.
related: I just sold my last copy of the Measles Mumps Rubella 7"
related: I just sold my last copy of the Measles Mumps Rubella 7"
are you saying that record is weird and terrible?
related cause it was you posting, haha, that's all. aye!!!!!!
related cause it was you posting, haha, that's all. aye!!!!!!
was just goofin', James.
Jamesfella, were you aware that your boy has the Wounded Lion record up on his website as: AVAILABLE NOW?
http://www.downintheground.com/
From what you're saying, this thing might not be out until summer. Doesn't it bother you that a record you've put money up for is being advertised as AVAILABLE NOW, and you know that's nowhere near the truth? It's pretty fucking simple to me, it's either available or it's not.
Your name is now messed up in this shit, and you need to straighten this dude out. At least tell him to change the website.
Presales
Moller had been taking refundable deposits on the M400 since 2003.[12] Refund conditions included failure to meet rated performance or failure to obtain US FAA flight certification by December 31, 2005. Since 2003, Moller has slipped the date for FAA flight certification one year each year. As of 2007, Moller's claimed date for FAA certification stood at December 31, 2008.[13] As of August 13, 2008, the Moller website indicates that they are "currently not taking deposits on aircraft".[14]
In October 2006, Moller attempted to auction the only prototype of its M400 model on eBay. It failed to sell. The highest bid was $3,000,100; Dr. Moller reported at the annual meeting of stockholders on October 21, 2006 in Davis, CA that the reserve price had been $3,500,000. [15] A previous attempt in 2003 to sell the M400 via eBay was also unsuccessful.[16]
Given the machine's very protracted development and its ambitiousness, skepticism that the machine will work as claimed remains high.[citation needed]
In 2007, Moller announced that the M200G Volantor a precursor to the Moller Skycar, capable of hovering 10 feet above the ground and traveling up to 50 MPH, would hopefully be on the market in the United States by early 2008.[17] Depending on demand, Moller says, the M200G Volantor could cost under $100,000.[18]
Does anyone really think these records will be any good?
Is god the biggest punk rocker?
This is a message I sent to Mike Sniper concerning the Wolfgutsss
no records/no response situation. I wrote this on March 2nd. MS
stated I should post the comments, but since Wolfgutsss posted
refunds/assurances that day I figured the discs would be surfacing.
Therefore I did not post the comments.
I will post the comments now.
The thing about this matter is it doesn't make sense to me.
Why would a young?? musician want to alienate his peers and
business associates by outright lying/stealing from the industry
he is trying to make money from? I wonder what his band mates
feel about this situation? - the Blessure Grave name has taken an
unfortunate negative hit that has nothing to do with the sound
of their tunes. The guy must have a drug habit, or be financially
desperate to just turn his back on his musical business/passion/
endeavors. Or maybe he suffered being ripped off himself.
Does anyone know if the records were pressed at a plant?
It seems that could be verified. If so, then it is now a matter
of printing and postage costs that are holding up the records.
My scum stats - I am in for 4 singles that I have not received.
Here is the message I sent to Mike Sniper on March 2nd.
I disagree with SS in that Sniper needs to make amends for this
situation. But this view of SS might be incorrect; I thought I saw
him post comments in this regard.
Howdy MS,
I am sorry that the BD preorder from Wolfgutsss is turning into
such a hassle - I guess he needs to respond to folks emails -
1. he still has a website, he has an update from Feb 17 concerning
the 3 way split, he showed pictures of the BD 7" on FEB 24th - so 12
business days from Feb 24th is March 12th - the BD singles should
be arriving to folks by then - I have no idea about this guy, but he
seems to have listed info - yet others are all up in arms about him
ripping folks off - I guess this has to do with the 3 way split 7"
taking so long - but his website says they were mailed Feb 17th
so this should resolve this week, but I guess this is where the
problem is - the records are not arriving.
2. I stuck up for this guy as I observed that alot of questions were
being asked that he had already answered - I
have no idea who this seller is from my computer here in Atlanta -
I have purchased 3 copies of the BD single (want all colors - really
liked this song) and 1 wounded lion - I have emailed him to send all
of mine together so I figure my BD singles will arrive after most
others since my package is waiting on the Wounded lion single.
3. Maybe this criticism of Wolfgutsss has occurred because the bands
have not received their copies of the singles that he agreed to at the
outset. This is something that I have no idea about. Which is why
I keep asking the question "Where has all the criticism/speculation
concerning these records come from?" Thats what I don't get.
4. None of this has any bearing on you or any of the other bands.
(wounded lion etc)
I cannot control another persons business transactions from here in
Atlanta. I cannot prevent people from frauding me on Ebay. I cannot
prevent a clean looking record from being a bad press and sounding
bad. Neither can you.
5. This is not punk rock. But it turns out punk (to me) is a reckless
abandon approach to art and media and maybe politics. Though in politics, one usually has to be middle of the road to get elected, then
once put in a position of influence, radical change can then prevail.
Look at Abraham Lincoln and Lyndon Johnson as examples of this
thinking (the PBS documentary of Lincoln gave me a whole new
perspective on who Lincoln really was).
The anarchy of punk rock really won't work in a message board like this, or in society itself. It seems that nothing would ever be accomplished, while everyone would be caught up in "breaking
barriers, criticism, and individual ego boosting."
The ideas of punk seem to work well in art/music/film presentation,
but the ideas of punk rock seem contradicted in the business/
marketing side of selling the art - the artists/creators need to be
able to live/eat/function within the economics of their chosen
locale. And one learns quickly the pitfalls of being ripped off -
No one likes a thief, despite the fact that Abbie Hoffman said
"Steal This Book".
6. I have faith that this situation with Wolfgutsss will resolve -
he is being slow, but updates and postings have been met.
But if the BD discs don't start showing up around Friday the 13th
of March (a fitting date) then I too will be very disappointed in his
actions (will loose faith). If we all lose in this venture, it will balance
out - musicians will write better songs, more termbo bands will gain
world exposure, records will increase in price - it may benefit more
in the long run if well all get shafted - life has a strange way of
balancing out.
No response in necessary - I figure you have answered too many
questions to this already - but I haven't given up on Wolfgutsss yet
- he seems to have posts out on the thread and at his website
keeping everyone informed - but the 3 - way single does need to
surface to all who bought it.
Is god the biggest punk rocker of all time - to divide the sea and let
Moses lead his people thru then drown the Romans - whoa talk about
anarchy.
so these are my thoughts - gotta go
clean up on aisle 9
Buck
Lastly,
If Sniper does press discs to cover for all this it will be a major
customer service step that goes beyond his responsibility.
Hopefully Wolfguttss can get it together and get the records
out. Since he hasn't responded since early March this all looks
doubtful.
can't figure out how to format this the way I typed it in
will probably shift upon posting
Does anyone really think these records will be any good?
Wounded Lion 7" on S-S last year was just about my favorite thing that came out. Teenage Panzerkorps is definitely not everyones cup of tea, but their last LP made a lot more sense than the one before it.
Is god the biggest punk rocker?
Does this answer your question:
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NoBunny's already played Luigi's twice, so if you lay with a dog there, you may indeed wake up with fleas.
Just talking some message board trash because you have nothing better to do is okay, but posting someone's phone number is immature and kinda fucked up. I'm sure you've lost a few bucks in worse situations- and I don't even think his intention IS to rip anybody off.
What're you gonna do, prank call him? Do you seriously have nothing better to do?
whatever, doubtful anyone has it in them to call anyways.
So wait, did anyone go to the Blank Dogs show in San Diego? Did Blessure Grave play?
Just talking some message board trash because you have nothing better to do is okay, but posting someone's phone number is immature and kinda fucked up. I'm sure you've lost a few bucks in worse situations- and I don't even think his intention IS to rip anybody off.
What're you gonna do, prank call him? Do you seriously have nothing better to do?
So wait, did anyone go to the Blank Dogs show in San Diego? Did Blessure Grave play?
I heard that they didn't play. No call, no show. Is it possible the dude is dead?
So wait, did anyone go to the Blank Dogs show in San Diego? Did Blessure Grave play?
I heard that they didn't play. No call, no show. Is it possible the dude is dead?
The flake shrugged, totally unconcerned due to the effects of an oxycontin binge.
boy I kind of wish I would have ordered one now, I feel left out you guys. Do you think he'll still take my pre-order?
I have purchased 3 copies of the BD single (want all colors - really liked this song)
related: I just sold my last copy of the Measles Mumps Rubella 7"
payed like 10 min after i saw this, hope i get a yellow
Theres no backlog at imprint , i sent in a Lp sleeve order 3 weeks ago and the fucking things are sitting in my store as of monday .
Theres no backlog at imprint , i sent in a Lp sleeve order 3 weeks ago and the fucking things are sitting in my store as of monday .
Imprint subs outs LP jackets to Ross Ellis.
They do 7"s in-house, and I've never waited more than 10 days or so.
and again, if you guys are so smart and I'm so wrong. I'm out a shitload more money than ANY of you.
and again, if you guys are so smart and I'm so wrong. I'm out a shitload more money than ANY of you.
This guy fucked us all over. Im pressing it myself and will sell it for the wholesale price to anyone who emails me their old paypal transaction when it's released. I offered to do the same fir wounded lion.
James, you're a nice guy. Stop defending this. There's no excuse for it.
This guy fucked us all over. Im pressing it myself and will sell it for the wholesale price to anyone who emails me their old paypal transaction when it's released. I offered to do the same fir wounded lion.
James, you're a nice guy. Stop defending this. There's no excuse for it.
END THREAD.
Sounds like he told you something different than what he told someone else just a week earlier....a former bandmate. I said I doubted that he could ever be less than truthful to this particular fellow. So, one of the stories must not be true. I've kinda already reached a level of disappointment that even more disappointment doesn't really matter. I just think that if these ever get sent out, Toby should just get outta the label business and get busier doing what he does best which is making music. I'm not even passing such terrible judgment on him as if to say "You are beyond hope" because I know that if I started a record label, I'd probably have all kindsa trouble keeping on top of orders. That (and the fact that I'd probably wanna release too many records) is why I don't start a label now. Maybe one day if/when there's no more radio show and so many show-bookings for me. But I also know I'd have no problem telling people the truth about what's going on.
This guy fucked us all over. Im pressing it myself and will sell it for the wholesale price to anyone who emails me their old paypal transaction when it's released. I offered to do the same fir wounded lion.
James, you're a nice guy. Stop defending this. There's no excuse for it.
I said I might do the Wounded Lion. If they want that music out.
Thanks for giving me permission to press a record you didn't write/record/don't own the rights to that has failed to exist in actual form for months.
I said I might do the Wounded Lion. If they want that music out.
that implies that I would not have been willing to toss down the additional monies to press this w/o anyone else and with the potential loss of $400 in the current scenario. (I would have gladly done that / would do that).
if toby were to truly flake.
I said I might do the Wounded Lion. If they want that music out.
that implies that I would not have been willing to toss down the additional monies to press this w/o anyone else and with the potential loss of $400 in the current scenario. (I would have gladly done that / would do that).
Go ahead and put it out yourself! Do you have the money to do it now? Because it's supposed to be out now.
I said I might do the Wounded Lion. If they want that music out.
Sorry you feel fucked over about those songs that you wrote and recorded never coming out. Oh, wait a sec..
I'd have more patience for your dilemma, however, after some rudimentary calculations, shipping+retail on all these records, somebody has money for 1000+ records including all releases (what is that, $8 including shipping) while the artists and buyers have nothing.
Get your $400 back from Toby, that's your responsibility not everyone elses.
Going to bed, I'll call Officer Brad tomorrow afternoon and see what he would prefer to do.
I'm on the internet for the first time in 10 days taking care of 100 things. I'm not going to call you because I don't understand why I should. To talk about Imprint? I don't care.
Why don't you post the order number from Imprint for all these sleeves?
Better yet, just give me the order number and I'll buy the sleeves to use for my pressing.
I'm on the internet for the first time in 10 days taking care of 100 things. I'm not going to call you because I don't understand why I should. To talk about Imprint? I don't care.
Why don't you post the order number from Imprint for all these sleeves?
Better yet, just give me the order number and I'll buy the sleeves to use for my pressing.
The Imprint sleeves are for your record, I don't have anything to do with that.
I'm not going to give him "whining bullshit". I'm going to say: A week's gone by, no progress has been made as far as either of us know. Mike Sniper has apparently offered to take over the single. Do you want him to or do you want me to do it on my own / w/o Toby. (and yes, I would NEED to call him, because Toby was handling the order, obviously, not me, and I would need the art and masters).Going to bed, I'll call Officer Brad tomorrow afternoon and see what he would prefer to do.
I'm sure he'll want the record to come out. That would be his preference. Whatever whining bullshit you tell him tomorrow will probably convince him to wait for some reason.
You don't have to call him if you do what I said: PRESS THE FUCKING RECORD.
I'm on the internet for the first time in 10 days taking care of 100 things. I'm not going to call you because I don't understand why I should. To talk about Imprint? I don't care.
Why don't you post the order number from Imprint for all these sleeves?
Better yet, just give me the order number and I'll buy the sleeves to use for my pressing.
The Imprint sleeves are for your record, I don't have anything to do with that.
Who's making the sleeves for the Wounded Lion record?
I thought you went to bed.
Since you're awake go to eks.com and email Will the .wav files for the Wounded Lion record and the money to press it (which you have) and I'll check the test pressings when I get back in 5 days. That's his turnaround.
No shit. I think this thread just broke weird punk.
THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!
Really, why support a label that is unwilling to take chances with unknown artists?
Really, why support a label that is unwilling to take chances with unknown artists?
i find myself wondering this a lot(why people actively support labels that take no risks).
Ain't it funny how fast this whole "scene" went from alpha to implode?
I think you got ripped off, cause 40's only cost two bucks!
Really, why support a label that is unwilling to take chances with unknown artists?
i find myself wondering this a lot(why people actively support labels that take no risks).
Total "duh" but I still never really broke it down that way. Yeah, any (non-reissue) label that has never done a first record for a band makes you wonder, for sure...
I can't remember has anyone gotten any 3 way splits yet?
this is our generation's woodstock.
This thread is our Vietnam.
this is our generation's woodstock.This thread is our Vietnam.
I can't wait for Altamont!
I can't remember has anyone gotten any 3 way splits yet?
so did the blank dogs seven inch actually get pressed? i remember a merch table picture of it posted here but i thought it was maybe a test pressing or something.. this is turning out to be another earth fiasco.
Been listening to the Blank Dogs and the 3 way split since I got home from work. This shit is the most killer release to date. It's like Blank Dogs Phase III.
(http://21.media.tumblr.com/fTLORZVHom0ekj77aQV3rkpLo1_500.jpg)
where is jamesfella to defend this guy some more
where is jamesfella to defend this guy some more
maybe they're packing the records together
I could hardly type that because I was laughing so much
where is jamesfella to defend this guy some more
Apparently you know whats and where the problems are James. Why dont you tell us what the problem is. What have gone wrong since Toby cant release those records when others can? Why dont he give us our money back if he dont release the records?
I guess there will just be forty more pages of bitching.
I spend 63 dollars on that fuckhead.
Are you seriously asking me to get in touch with Toby to get my records?
Are you out of your mind?
The Der TPK and Blank Dogs records will be ready in 2 weeks.
for the 63 dol. I bought 3 copies of each. One for me and two copies to put on ebay.
for the 63 dol. I bought 3 copies of each. One for me and two copies to put on ebay.
BACKFIRED, EH?
Yeah right.No, not for Ebay. For trade with a couple of friends who are too lazy to buy on the internet.for the 63 dol. I bought 3 copies of each. One for me and two copies to put on ebay.BACKFIRED, EH?
Is this the guy that ran FNS Recs?
Mike, be honest: has Bridge 9 records ever contacted you about releasing a Blank Dogs record?
Mike, be honest: has Bridge 9 records ever contacted you about releasing a Blank Dogs record?
What's Bridge 9?
I'm doing a 7" for Hell Yes because I like Marco and I know his records come out.
Doing a Popular Journal of Noise issue as well.
After that, all records will be on my own label, Woodsist, Sacred Bones or In The Red and that's it.
1/3 of a year now.......
1/3 of a year now.......
So, y'all are in your 2nd trimester? Congrats.
It's gonna be an ugly baby...
1/3 of a year now.......
So, y'all are in your 2nd trimester? Congrats.
It's gonna be an ugly baby...
That's why God invented minivans, lakes, and emergency brakes.and colored people as scapegoats.
dudes , i just got my stuff ....
That's why God invented minivans, lakes, and emergency brakes.lolz
dudes , i just got my stuff ....
dudes , i just got my stuff ....pant's on fire!
Secondly, I got an email from DITG this week to let me know that their version of this record is still coming out as well.
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc98/rawrumble/cooldog-1.jpg)
I'm feeling a bit more like this guy now that this is (mostly) over with.
(http://hindsfoot.org/xspuds1.jpg)
Secondly, I got an email from DITG this week to let me know that their version of this record is still coming out as well.
I've tried to stay out of this but I'll go on the record as saying this sounds very, very dodgy as the guy did not show up to the shows he had scheduled last month and hasn't bothered to contact Mike or myself about this record (or anything else for that matter).
Mitch, could you please forward me any communication you've had with the guy? My e-mail is capturedtracksorders@gmail.com.
Either way, we're pressing the record.
Secondly, I got an email from DITG this week to let me know that their version of this record is still coming out as well.
I've tried to stay out of this but I'll go on the record as saying this sounds very, very dodgy as the guy did not show up to the shows he had scheduled last month and hasn't bothered to contact Mike or myself about this record (or anything else for that matter).
Mitch, could you please forward me any communication you've had with the guy? My e-mail is capturedtracksorders@gmail.com.
Either way, we're pressing the record.
You did, through me. I messaged Mike a couple weeks ago and he ignored it. I'll foward it to you too.
Secondly, I got an email from DITG this week to let me know that their version of this record is still coming out as well.
I've tried to stay out of this but I'll go on the record as saying this sounds very, very dodgy as the guy did not show up to the shows he had scheduled last month and hasn't bothered to contact Mike or myself about this record (or anything else for that matter).
Mitch, could you please forward me any communication you've had with the guy? My e-mail is capturedtracksorders@gmail.com.
Either way, we're pressing the record.
You did, through me. I messaged Mike a couple weeks ago and he ignored it. I'll foward it to you too.
Thanks for forwarding me the e-mail, James. Did you write to Mike via Terminal Boredom or through an e-mail? Either way, he spent most of the past month on tour, in a van with little to no internet access. He's not around right now but I bet he just missed it if he didn't write back.
We're putting out the record either way and I don't want to argue for the sake of arguing. I can't speak for Mike but I will say that the events of the past few months have not given us any reason to believe the record is coming out through DITG. I also think that the people who paid for their records and received zero communication from DITG got a really raw deal. Being a fuck up is one thing, but that was ridiculous.
I, for one, would like to focus on other things, like dogs wearing sunglasses.
Secondly, I got an email from DITG this week to let me know that their version of this record is still coming out as well.
I've tried to stay out of this but I'll go on the record as saying this sounds very, very dodgy as the guy did not show up to the shows he had scheduled last month and hasn't bothered to contact Mike or myself about this record (or anything else for that matter).
Mitch, could you please forward me any communication you've had with the guy? My e-mail is capturedtracksorders@gmail.com.
Either way, we're pressing the record.
You did, through me. I messaged Mike a couple weeks ago and he ignored it. I'll foward it to you too.
Thanks for forwarding me the e-mail, James. Did you write to Mike via Terminal Boredom or through an e-mail? Either way, he spent most of the past month on tour, in a van with little to no internet access. He's not around right now but I bet he just missed it if he didn't write back.
We're putting out the record either way and I don't want to argue for the sake of arguing. I can't speak for Mike but I will say that the events of the past few months have not given us any reason to believe the record is coming out through DITG. I also think that the people who paid for their records and received zero communication from DITG got a really raw deal. Being a fuck up is one thing, but that was ridiculous.
I, for one, would like to focus on other things, like dogs wearing sunglasses.
Oh he got it. I don't blame him / you / anyone for being pissed, the communication has not been there and it's pretty impossible to excuse it. I don't think there's anything not-justified in doing it himself though it seems like it's making more of a point to not use the covers that were already made (and don't say DITG anyway) and have them sent to him directly from Imprint to him (as that's where they were up until a day or two ago, and also why no one has received their orders yet). And you read the message, so go from there.
I'm glad to hear they (DITG) are starting to e-mail people and it'll be neat to see what stuff looks like when it all clears up. But this is all their stuff to sort out. I'm going to be busy enough fixing up the Wounded Lion stuff. I'm getting the pre-order receipts next week.
You really think I'm gonna try and contact Toby and then pay him for the parts? Are you out of your mind?
You really think I'm gonna try and contact Toby and then pay him for the parts? Are you out of your mind?
As pissed as I would be in your shoes too, if I could have the covers and bulk recs sent to me, and not have to pay for any of them beforehand / until they showed up, I'd sooner go that route than starting from scratch / making my own version, especially with the covers not even saying the label's name. At the same time, you'd understandably have no faith in them ever showing up, but at a minimum, the covers would have been coming directly from Imprint.
Pollyannaish?http://www.allwords.com/word-Pollyanish.html (http://www.allwords.com/word-Pollyanish.html)
James Fella you are fucking out of your mind defending that guy (still).
Pollyannaish?http://www.allwords.com/word-Pollyanish.html (http://www.allwords.com/word-Pollyanish.html)
just so that this thread doesnt die, the following was just posted as a bulletin via the blessure grave myspace page:
Subject: DITG & BG
Body: WE ARE GETTING BACK ON TRACK. OUR MOST SINCERE APOLOGIES FOR LETTING THE SHIT TALK GET TO ME AND GOING INACTIVE. WOUNDED LION SINGLES IN SHORTLY AND THEN THE LABEL IS DONE.
BUT WE WILL BE PLAYING SHOWS SHORTLY. AGAIN WE, OR I SHOULD SAY I AM VERY SORRY.
T
I wish I could laugh, but I almost bought this just to flip.
but I almost bought this just to flip.
but I almost bought this just to flip.
There's easier ways to make money.
this guy emailed me back today out of the blue
this guy emailed me back today out of the blue
Me too.
Blessure Grave records might be for sale at Blessure Grave shows.
this guy emailed me back today out of the blue
Me too.
Blessure Grave records might be for sale at Blessure Grave shows.
DON'T FALL FOR IT MIKE!
I'd say it's the fault of the angry consumers that this great label will be ending.
Hello!
PLEASE REPLY TO THIS E-MAIL WITH YOUR CURRENT MAILING ADDRESS!
You?re receiving this message because you pre-ordered the WOUNDED LION ? ?Creatures in the Cave? 7? from Down in the Ground Records. The single is a split release between that label, and my own, Gilgongo. In the case you are not an internet addict, you might not be aware of the various hang ups, delays and unfortunately degenerated ?scam artist? comments and accusations regarding Down in the Ground as a whole.
While DITG is finishing up / sorting out the delays on the Blank Dogs 7? they are about to have completed, I have taken over the logistics on the Wounded Lion single, to help ease all the stress with everything else. It had to be started from scratch in early / mid April as an entirely new project. The record should be complete in roughly two months, and I will be handling the mailing of all of the pre-orders.
The pre-orders, in addition to still being on green, will also come with an alternate version of Soft Shoulder?s ?Hit Single? 7? ltd to the amount needed to fill these pre-orders. A small token of ?sorry?, but hopefully you?ll enjoy it (if you?re not already familiar with it).
If you ordered the Wounded Lion single WITH other DITG records, I will still be mailing you the Wounded Lion single. DITG will send the other portions of the orders as they are completed.
I can not stress enough how incredible Wounded Lion have been throughout this process and how stoked I am that DITG are getting to rectify all of the issues regarding the Blank Dogs single. It?s the culmination of absorbing much negative shit from people who enjoy tearing others apart for no reason, getting bummed and (they?ll admit to you) having had horribly poor communication because of it. The long and short is that the covers for that record are just now on their way for a final delivery (aka, no one has gotten those records because those records are not done yet, other than Blank Dogs, for whom they made special early versions with temporary artwork), and at that point, both Blank Dogs and all of the people who have ordered copies will get theirs.
If you have any questions, please feel free to just ask. I am hoping that I can get all of this flowing as easily as possible!
If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask.
This e-mail address was created specifically for dealing with the Wounded Lion 7?.
Each e-mail has a number attached to it based on my database of orders, fyi! PLEASE KEEP THE NUMBER IN THE SUBJECT OF YOUR REPLIES.
Thanks and apologies for the delay!
(And ultra thanks to the wonderful folks in Wounded Lion and Toby + Reyna).
James Fella
Gilgongo Records
PO Box 7455
Tempe, AZ 85281 USA
http://www.gilgongorecords.com
This came across my radar today.
http://cgi.ebay.com/BLANK-DOGS-In-Here-7-hozac-wavves-very-rare_W0QQitemZ110385766954QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item19b381222a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
This came across my radar today.
http://cgi.ebay.com/BLANK-DOGS-In-Here-7-hozac-wavves-very-rare_W0QQitemZ110385766954QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item19b381222a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
Item location: san diego, CA, United States
So people with cancer need to fucking die? I'm seriously and heavily offended
So people with cancer need to fucking die? I'm seriously and heavily offended
The original quote was "This thread is like cancer...", not "This thread is like people suffering from cancer..." Had I said that I would have hoped that at least a few people would want me dead. However, that would have meant that I wish my own mother to death which is just absurd. The meaning of the quote was that this thread is horrible and grows like cancer, and like cancer needs to be eliminated. I sincerely hope that what you said was a joke and that my whole explanation was entirely unnecessary, but I felt it necessary to clear up what I said for whomever I may have offended and those that now think I am insensitive.
...and milfs are cool.
So people with cancer need to fucking die? I'm seriously and heavily offended
The original quote was "This thread is like cancer...", not "This thread is like people suffering from cancer..." Had I said that I would have hoped that at least a few people would want me dead. However, that would have meant that I wish my own mother to death which is just absurd. The meaning of the quote was that this thread is horrible and grows like cancer, and like cancer needs to be eliminated. I sincerely hope that what you said was a joke and that my whole explanation was entirely unnecessary, but I felt it necessary to clear up what I said for whomever I may have offended and those that now think I am insensitive.
...and milfs are cool.
You come on here, say a bunch of vicious, unnecessary shit to people you don't even know, then act surprise that people want you dead? Or that personal tragedies in the lives of others only carry the same moral weight as something you found a minor annoyance on a goddamn message board???
pretty much the best blank dogs song ive heard to date.
just ran into a bunch of copies of this and the three-way split at sports arena music trader in san diego. good sign i spose
From:
BLESSURE GRAVE
Date: May 12, 2009 2:28 PM
Subject:
ORDERS GOING OUT
Body:
BUNCH OF STUFF SHIPPED YESTERDAY. SENDING ABOUT 25-40 RECORDS EVERY OTHER DAY. THANKS FOR THE PATIENCE.
Mine actually came today. No shit.
Mine actually came today. No shit.
i am pretty sure three way split will be send as i received mine one week ago
and i live in france !!!!!
Mine actually came today. No shit.
Dammit, now I wish I had ordered one!
sike
they are shipping them off 40 or so at a time, thats a lot of records for just two people
still no sign of mine...
i understand that it is possible for people to do so many at one time, but i don't think he is one of them. he isn't able to do this along with a lot of the other duties that are apart of running a label that is why he isn't going to do it anymore.they are shipping them off 40 or so at a time, thats a lot of records for just two people
I've shipped hundreds of LPs in a week before, by myself, and I'm not the fastest out there. You get behind, I understand that and I do too, but you don't let it drag on THIS long for this many people, making bullshit promises, ebaying the same records other people have already paid for and then getting by turns snarky and then evasive with people who ask you what's going on. If you can't stay on top of it-- and you know that from your previous attempts at releasing a small-run 45-- then don't try and runa record label.
Although I know the delay is exactly what brought about the Captured Tracks version of this record, but I still think it's strange that two labels are releasing the same record at roughly the same time. DITG is just getting these out (presumedly) a week or so before CT's version. Coincidence????
i understand that it is possible for people to do so many at one time, but i don't think he is one of them. he isn't able to do this along with a lot of the other duties that are apart of running a label that is why he isn't going to do it anymore.they are shipping them off 40 or so at a time, thats a lot of records for just two people
I've shipped hundreds of LPs in a week before, by myself, and I'm not the fastest out there. You get behind, I understand that and I do too, but you don't let it drag on THIS long for this many people, making bullshit promises, ebaying the same records other people have already paid for and then getting by turns snarky and then evasive with people who ask you what's going on. If you can't stay on top of it-- and you know that from your previous attempts at releasing a small-run 45-- then don't try and runa record label.
my point is you've waited months, what is the point of being mad until you get your records? i ordered them too, so did a lot of my friends, i just made the comment to ease the tension. people are getting them and with that said we most likely will too.
i understand that it is possible for people to do so many at one time, but i don't think he is one of them. he isn't able to do this along with a lot of the other duties that are apart of running a label that is why he isn't going to do it anymore.they are shipping them off 40 or so at a time, thats a lot of records for just two people
I've shipped hundreds of LPs in a week before, by myself, and I'm not the fastest out there. You get behind, I understand that and I do too, but you don't let it drag on THIS long for this many people, making bullshit promises, ebaying the same records other people have already paid for and then getting by turns snarky and then evasive with people who ask you what's going on. If you can't stay on top of it-- and you know that from your previous attempts at releasing a small-run 45-- then don't try and runa record label.
my point is you've waited months, what is the point of being mad until you get your records? i ordered them too, so did a lot of my friends, i just made the comment to ease the tension. people are getting them and with that said we most likely will too.
I haven't waited at all, because I couldn't care less about these records. I can just tell you that as someone who has operated a label selling many more records than this guy, while juggling school, full-time work, relationships etc, I think his excuses are bullshit-- and I've been behind etc as well, although never this badly, but I dealt with it. This idiot didn't, and he's previously ripped people off for entire pressings of records that never did get to the people who ordered them.
THE EAGLE SHIT HAS LANDED
so mr family time, by you logic if you go to your local taco truck, you place your order, you pay your money, then the taco truck drives away, you are to sit there until the taco truck comes back, even if it is months later, patiently waiting for your fucking tacos? and if the taco truck shows up six months later, you say thank you to the taco truck man? great. paypal me $100. i'll send you something some day. ss@s-srecords.com is the paypal address.
so mr family time, by you logic if you go to your local taco truck, you place your order, you pay your money, then the taco truck drives away, you are to sit there until the taco truck comes back, even if it is months later, patiently waiting for your fucking tacos? and if the taco truck shows up six months later, you say thank you to the taco truck man? great. paypal me $100. i'll send you something some day. ss@s-srecords.com is the paypal address.
so mr family time, by you logic if you go to your local taco truck, you place your order, you pay your money, then the taco truck drives away, you are to sit there until the taco truck comes back, even if it is months later, patiently waiting for your fucking tacos? and if the taco truck shows up six months later, you say thank you to the taco truck man? great. paypal me $100. i'll send you something some day. ss@s-srecords.com is the paypal address.
your missing the point, if that taco truck doesn't deliver you might look kindof dumb standing around being pissed 4 months later
So, probably beside the point but is it any good?
Oh great, even better than the last one then. What about the history of unrecorded music?
so mr family time, by you logic if you go to your local taco truck, you place your order, you pay your money, then the taco truck drives away, you are to sit there until the taco truck comes back, even if it is months later, patiently waiting for your fucking tacos? and if the taco truck shows up six months later, you say thank you to the taco truck man? great. paypal me $100. i'll send you something some day. ss@s-srecords.com is the paypal address.
your missing the point, if that taco truck doesn't deliver you might look kindof dumb standing around being pissed 4 months later
you're missing the point of this thread. toby's already been tried and convicted for being a fraud. that was months ago. all the chatter since is entertainment at his expense. really, read the whole thread before you comment or flutter back to where you came from.
personally, i like fuck ups like toby. it provides a great contrast to how i run a label and treat my customers.
-------------A ONE SIDED 12" from A REALLY RAD BAND OR DUDE
-------------------DON"T YOU JUST LOVE MYSTERY
personally, i like fuck ups like toby. it provides a great contrast to how i run a label and treat my customers.
About Family Time
welcome to the family
NOW
fam008----deep sht- "Weird You" cdr/c24
fam006----twin lion-awesome power-c 30 tape
fam007----kevin greenspon-cultural geography... cdr
seriously upcoming releases
IN THE WORKS FOR EELS
fam005----no paws (no lions) don't be afraid... 12 " vinyl LP EARLY JUNE
-------------american gil c? tape
-------------ancient crux-interracial coupling-reissue
-------------A ONE SIDED 12" from A REALLY RAD BAND OR DUDE
-------------------DON"T YOU JUST LOVE MYSTERY
-------------Rapid Youth / Blessure Grave Split 7"
anyone on the east coast get one yet?i'm in philly, mine came a couple days ago
anyone on the east coast get one yet?
no california love yet.
Just got mine... in Canada.
and helped introduce you to your most reliable bassist first.
Blank Dogs up at Academy:
http://www.academyannex.com/blog/?page_id=2
Yellow vinyl showed up yesterday in Minneapolis, looks and sounds great, could be shipping out in order of payments received.
Yellow vinyl showed up yesterday in Minneapolis, looks and sounds great, could be shipping out in order of payments received.
How quick did you order?
Just to keep this thread going....saw this at Academy and had to hold myself back...I emailed every DITG address and haven't heard anything...that's just fucked...why would a distro get this first! I fucking preordered!
Shit Shit Shit Fuck.
I want my god dam single!
And Wounded Lion!
Bands should maybe just check on what kind of douchebags want to 'release' their music and fuck people over...it's not their fault if this guy seemed legit, and after the fact they found out...I'm just saying it leaves a bad taste....WHEN I SEE IT ON THE FUCKING SHELF!
That's it, I give up, fuck it.
Well I still haven't received anything.
'
I really apologize for letting my depression get the best of me
'
I really apologize for letting my depression get the best of me
Welcome to the 21st century. I'm sorry, but it wasn't really my fault, as you can tell by the way I disingenuously drop a shameless reference to my "depression" into my fake apology for being lazy and indifferent.
'
I really apologize for letting my depression get the best of me
Welcome to the 21st century. I'm sorry, but it wasn't really my fault, as you can tell by the way I disingenuously drop a shameless reference to my "depression" into my fake apology for being lazy and indifferent.
That's your opinion. I respect your ability to make ASSUMPTIONS. I really left it that way for everyone in a sense, which again is my fault, but it feels good to be out of a rut and following through. But keep slinging shit, it doesn't phase me.
does this apply to those of us that preordered the cold cave single as well and never got a copy? also it seems like alot of us moved (myself included) maybe you could try emailing the people who bought records to confirm that the address are still correct wolfgutsss...
maybe lock this thread? future posts are just going to be about how so-and-so is still waiting for their record/what a schmuck this guy is. he says they gonna ship. to me that's the end of this, regardless if they arrive or not. dead horse been beaten over and over...or under and under.
Finally got my wholesale order, included was also 10 free copies of the Blank Dogs 7" which i think make up for the 6 months long wait.
bayern m?nchen?
NO!
NO!
Slowboy, speaking of not receiving records, I still haven't received my Oh Sees 7" that I bought from you in December. Since you've stopped responding to my emails, I am publicly asking you for a refund. PM me.
NO!
I hope this thread makes it to page 100.
I hope this thread makes it to page 100.
I am sure it easily will, sounds like dude's maybe got 1/4 out, so we should make it well over 100+. Can't think of a more infamous record in quite some time.
Can i get some copies of that RNR / Suicide File 7"?
Never said I was doing a good job, but at least it's getting done.
Never said I was doing a good job, but at least it's getting done.
Classic loser mentality. California strikes again.
Never said I was doing a good job, but at least it's getting done.
Classic loser mentality. California strikes again.
Never said I was doing a good job, but at least it's getting done.
Classic loser mentality. California strikes again.
Eat a dick.
i got mine today (after i saw them in a record shop in san diego and bought them months ago)
something like a ten month turnaround
thats decent
good job
I didn't even order this piece of shit record by an over hyped,lousey live band band...I am a people person though
Who have I been a prick to? Oh yeah, anyone responding with absurd statements like how I should off myself for fucking up a record preorder.
At the end of the day, this has happened to dozens of labels for similar or different reasons and it all comes down to weather or not the person rights his wrongs by getting on track, finishing the job he started and trys his best to make up for not doing a good job by throwing in extras. I just sent three distro orders of 20 copies each, and threw in 20 extra to make up for the wait. The positive response Ive recieved from people who actually ordered the record has been overwhelming.
So yeah I defend myself, because I think a lot of people use the privacy of the internet to be judgemental, annoying pricks.
The positive response Ive recieved from people who actually ordered the record has been overwhelming.
Never said I was doing a good job, but at least it's getting done.
Classic loser mentality. California strikes again.
wtf does california have to do w/ it?
Jesus christ. All the time you spend pissing and moaning about this guys lack of buisness sense just means...ta da his dumb depressed ass will feel the need to defend himself and post back and forth.Further taking up his prescious time to pounder his place in the world and if he should just off himself.
Try this approach. Shut the fuck up,give him 2 weeks to get caught up(now,nevermind before obviously lifes good and his personal hurdles are low) and if he doesn't then he is way beyond being a piece of shit to be wiped away like a turd from gods ass and we should all chip in for "mr.80 miles" to drive there and fucking sock him in the face.after that who knows
I didn't even order this piece of shit record by an over hyped,lousey live band band...I am a people person though
It's just the canned "East Coast Asshole" mentality.
Can i get some copies of that RNR / Suicide File 7"?
I think it's funny that you're still being a prick considering how bad you fucked up.
Who have I been a prick to? Oh yeah, anyone
I should off myself
I should off myself for fucking up a record
I used this money on heroin
At the end of the day, it all comes down to weather
Jesus christ. All the time you spend pissing and moaning about this guys lack of buisness sense just means...ta da his dumb depressed ass will feel the need to defend himself and post back and forth.Further taking up his prescious time to pounder his place in the world and if he should just off himself.
Try this approach. Shut the fuck up,give him 2 weeks to get caught up(now,nevermind before obviously lifes good and his personal hurdles are low) and if he doesn't then he is way beyond being a piece of shit to be wiped away like a turd from gods ass and we should all chip in for "mr.80 miles" to drive there and fucking sock him in the face.after that who knows
I didn't even order this piece of shit record by an over hyped,lousey live band band...I am a people person though
thank you for explaining. should i just go in the back and blow my brains out?It's just the canned "East Coast Asshole" mentality.
fuckin FAGGOTCan i get some copies of that RNR / Suicide File 7"?
hahahahahahahaI think it's funny that you're still being a prick considering how bad you fucked up.Who have I been a prick to? Oh yeah, anyoneI should off myselfI should off myself for fucking up a recordI used this money on heroinAt the end of the day, it all comes down to weather
I'm from the East Coast.wolfgutsss,ditg,toby
And Mr. 80 Miles Away, send me a message at downintheground619@gmail.com with the email you used to order.
Music Trader and that skate shop on El Cajon at Florida both had copies.
I just want the record(s).
(http://themichalek.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/woman_big_balls1.jpg)nice touch ss
paypalled $16.00 on dec. 16th '08.
have'nt seen a fuckin' thing.
i'm 80 miles away.
Another 80 or so packages going out tomorrow. Doing stuff in chronological order now
have you tried email him 6 times and then posting that you emailed 6 times on this thread? worked for me! i only had to wait 7 and a half months.
Still nothing here either.
Still nothing here either.
Still nothing here either.QuotePosted by: DickJohnson Posted on: August 16, 2009, 10:27:24 PM
yawn.
This is a message I sent to Mike Sniper concerning the Wolfgutsss
no records/no response situation. I wrote this on March 2nd. MS
stated I should post the comments, but since Wolfgutsss posted
refunds/assurances that day I figured the discs would be surfacing.
Therefore I did not post the comments.
I will post the comments now.
The thing about this matter is it doesn't make sense to me.
Why would a young?? musician want to alienate his peers and
business associates by outright lying/stealing from the industry
he is trying to make money from? I wonder what his band mates
feel about this situation? - the Blessure Grave name has taken an
unfortunate negative hit that has nothing to do with the sound
of their tunes. The guy must have a drug habit, or be financially
desperate to just turn his back on his musical business/passion/
endeavors. Or maybe he suffered being ripped off himself.
Does anyone know if the records were pressed at a plant?
It seems that could be verified. If so, then it is now a matter
of printing and postage costs that are holding up the records.
My scum stats - I am in for 4 singles that I have not received.
Here is the message I sent to Mike Sniper on March 2nd.
I disagree with SS in that Sniper needs to make amends for this
situation. But this view of SS might be incorrect; I thought I saw
him post comments in this regard.
Howdy MS,
I am sorry that the BD preorder from Wolfgutsss is turning into
such a hassle - I guess he needs to respond to folks emails -
1. he still has a website, he has an update from Feb 17 concerning
the 3 way split, he showed pictures of the BD 7" on FEB 24th - so 12
business days from Feb 24th is March 12th - the BD singles should
be arriving to folks by then - I have no idea about this guy, but he
seems to have listed info - yet others are all up in arms about him
ripping folks off - I guess this has to do with the 3 way split 7"
taking so long - but his website says they were mailed Feb 17th
so this should resolve this week, but I guess this is where the
problem is - the records are not arriving.
2. I stuck up for this guy as I observed that alot of questions were
being asked that he had already answered - I
have no idea who this seller is from my computer here in Atlanta -
I have purchased 3 copies of the BD single (want all colors - really
liked this song) and 1 wounded lion - I have emailed him to send all
of mine together so I figure my BD singles will arrive after most
others since my package is waiting on the Wounded lion single.
3. Maybe this criticism of Wolfgutsss has occurred because the bands
have not received their copies of the singles that he agreed to at the
outset. This is something that I have no idea about. Which is why
I keep asking the question "Where has all the criticism/speculation
concerning these records come from?" Thats what I don't get.
4. None of this has any bearing on you or any of the other bands.
(wounded lion etc)
I cannot control another persons business transactions from here in
Atlanta. I cannot prevent people from frauding me on Ebay. I cannot
prevent a clean looking record from being a bad press and sounding
bad. Neither can you.
5. This is not punk rock. But it turns out punk (to me) is a reckless
abandon approach to art and media and maybe politics. Though in politics, one usually has to be middle of the road to get elected, then
once put in a position of influence, radical change can then prevail.
Look at Abraham Lincoln and Lyndon Johnson as examples of this
thinking (the PBS documentary of Lincoln gave me a whole new
perspective on who Lincoln really was).
The anarchy of punk rock really won't work in a message board like this, or in society itself. It seems that nothing would ever be accomplished, while everyone would be caught up in "breaking
barriers, criticism, and individual ego boosting."
The ideas of punk seem to work well in art/music/film presentation,
but the ideas of punk rock seem contradicted in the business/
marketing side of selling the art - the artists/creators need to be
able to live/eat/function within the economics of their chosen
locale. And one learns quickly the pitfalls of being ripped off -
No one likes a thief, despite the fact that Abbie Hoffman said
"Steal This Book".
6. I have faith that this situation with Wolfgutsss will resolve -
he is being slow, but updates and postings have been met.
But if the BD discs don't start showing up around Friday the 13th
of March (a fitting date) then I too will be very disappointed in his
actions (will loose faith). If we all lose in this venture, it will balance
out - musicians will write better songs, more termbo bands will gain
world exposure, records will increase in price - it may benefit more
in the long run if well all get shafted - life has a strange way of
balancing out.
No response in necessary - I figure you have answered too many
questions to this already - but I haven't given up on Wolfgutsss yet
- he seems to have posts out on the thread and at his website
keeping everyone informed - but the 3 - way single does need to
surface to all who bought it.
Is god the biggest punk rocker of all time - to divide the sea and let
Moses lead his people thru then drown the Romans - whoa talk about
anarchy.
so these are my thoughts - gotta go
clean up on aisle 9
Buck
Lastly,
If Sniper does press discs to cover for all this it will be a major
customer service step that goes beyond his responsibility.
Hopefully Wolfguttss can get it together and get the records
out. Since he hasn't responded since early March this all looks
doubtful.
can't figure out how to format this the way I typed it in
will probably shift upon posting
I used the money on heroin. Thanks.
it's cool guys, there are like 6,000 blessure grave releases on the horizon for us to buy, according to the incessant myspace bulletins they post.
The positive response Ive recieved from people who actually ordered the record has been overwhelming.
THESE WILL SHIP SEPERATELY FROM THE OTHER RECORDS.
TWO GREAT BD SONGS. 700 COPIES. 100 YELLOW (PREORDER ONLY), 200 CLEAR BLUE AND 400 ON BLACK. ORDERING INFO ON THE PAGE.
ALSO PUT UP A SECTION FOR USED/SECOND HAND STUFF.
HTTP://DOWNINTHEGROUND.MYBISI.COM (http://HTTP://DOWNINTHEGROUND.MYBISI.COM)
HTTP://WWW.DOWNINTHEGROUND.COM (http://HTTP://WWW.DOWNINTHEGROUND.COM)
WOUNDED LION AND TEENAGE PANZERKORPS 7"s OUT IN FEBRUARY.
I am at peace.
Of the 700... 400 were sold, then I took it down from the order form.
Of the 3 way splits, 380 were sold.
I still have a ton left that I will put back up and offer to distros once I'm caught up.
No, all the Wounded Lions aren't accounted for. Contact James at gilgongorecords.com. He is handling all mailorder.
And yeah, I have a bunch of copies I'm not accepting payment for yet. It might make sense to you for me to sell them now and use the money to catch up, but I'm trying to get everything out that's been ordered first. I figured what's left of my nuts after my Terminal Boredom castration would be chipped away at if I said I was taking orders for the remaining copies.
Also, how is it that this still qualifies to be in the "new releases" section as it is certainly not new and I don't know how applicable the word "release" is to this thing. This shit has pop punk child board written all over it.you tell 'em zack. tell 'em how it is. word 'em up
Are these used for playing frisbee? Who would listen to this?
magical cats
(http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/MM35_gallery/MM35_PG67a.jpg)
Displacer Beasts are fierce and vicious, and hate all other creatures. These sentient, magical cats often kill purely for pleasure, though they never fight among themselves. This beast uses a magical displacement ability, a form of illusion which causes it to appear to be a few feet away from where it actually is. The displacer beast is the natural enemy of the Blink Dog.
This thread got boring once people started actually getting their records.
This thread got boring once people started actually getting their records.
well I still havent got mine yet.
missed the 3/4 of a year of an empty mailbox by a day...... too busy reading about flutes and nickelback.... what has life come down to?
missed the 3/4 of a year of an empty mailbox by a day...... too busy reading about flutes and nickelback.... what has life come down to?
have you come around to powerful flute music yet?
This thread got boring once people started actually getting their records.
well I still havent got mine yet.
i am planning on listening to it on the 1 year anniversary of the start of this thread.
still nothing.....
still nothing.....
know what you are talking about...
not a fan of blank dogs
just thought this thread was interesting
but after reading this thread, we use imprint for every 7" cover we do. the longest it ever took was like 8 days full colored glued...i never did buy that the covers were held up argument
not a fan of blank dogs
just thought this thread was interesting
but after reading this thread, we use imprint for every 7" cover we do. the longest it ever took was like 8 days full colored glued...i never did buy that the covers were held up argument
No need to buy any argument, I've used Imprint for every printing job for 6 years, and while generally speaking, you are correct, I talked to Walt when this stuff was going on, and they were indeed not only delayed to almost a month because of getting a new machine, but also delivered to the wrong address and returned back to Imprint then sent back out yet again (which was several weeks as well, not several days, like 7-10 out, held for a few, then 7-10 back, then 7-10 back out, ect ect.
I don't know why people didn't just call the plant or printing press when this stuff was going on, would have debunked half of this shit very easily. (Hey, did these recs actually get pressed? Hey, did these covers actually get made,... because I think this person was scamming). ect ect.
not a fan of blank dogs
just thought this thread was interesting
but after reading this thread, we use imprint for every 7" cover we do. the longest it ever took was like 8 days full colored glued...i never did buy that the covers were held up argument
No need to buy any argument, I've used Imprint for every printing job for 6 years, and while generally speaking, you are correct, I talked to Walt when this stuff was going on, and they were indeed not only delayed to almost a month because of getting a new machine, but also delivered to the wrong address and returned back to Imprint then sent back out yet again (which was several weeks as well, not several days, like 7-10 out, held for a few, then 7-10 back, then 7-10 back out, ect ect.
I don't know why people didn't just call the plant or printing press when this stuff was going on, would have debunked half of this shit very easily. (Hey, did these recs actually get pressed? Hey, did these covers actually get made,... because I think this person was scamming). ect ect.
I understand delays and shit happens, totally does. though for example whenever i get a tracking number i check it every day to be sure when/where its going. the drunkdriver repress was sent to an old address and granted it was down the street but i caught it, and was on top of it as soon as it happened.
again i came to this thread late, i was bored and finally wanted to see why a pre order still was being bumped. While fan death has had bumps and had delays in shipping and even personal issues delaying some shipping we try or best to let people know and get the job done. theres a lot working against fan death that few on here are very aware of, yet we get the job done. and i assure, what we are working against is a lot tougher than depression.
this toby dude has been through the ringer enough. and it's just a record, but what makes this interesting is this blank dogs band is part of some trend that sells a good amount of records, and a small label fucked it up. when we sold out of cleaner records we made money and had money for the label beyond what we ever thought, which is what makes this scary. This wasnt some band that can maybe sell 100-200 records in 3-4 months. this shit went fast. there was a good chunk of money that this toby guy had that math is pretty easy. again im sure this is nothing new, but it was just 50 people that got gypt'd a few hundered did, maybe more? not sure.
im pretty sure with the pre orders alone he had enough money to do the covers, and buy the shipping materials, with money left over for shipping and to maybe even put out another record.
lets do the math
(and i know my numbers are not 100% correct as i dont feel like sifting through the thing to find out, but im sure this gets the job kinda done)
the record prob cost (and i dont know why this guy did 3 colors, fucking stupid) 1500
covers 600
400 pre orders 7$ each = 2800$
2800-2100= 700$
boxes unlimted packing boxes and plastic covers = 180
700-180$ = 520$
520 left over for shipping
now 1. this does not include overseas orders nor wholesale orders
2. again i dont know the real numbers of the pressed record, i also could be high balling how much it cost to press
would he have been in the red after shipping? probably, but im sure he was still getting orders after pre order for the real deal (did he do a reg. order?)
now look he has 520 left over he could easily send a few hundred domestic orders, which if he did that right away or right when the covers came in this thread would be maybe 2/3's less than what it is
as i stated earlier doing multi colors = stupid. We personally try our best to stay away unless the band really wants it or if we can get a deal cheaper than black. if we had the capital for it, we would do it but we dont. im pretty sure toby didnt either (hence why most smaller labels do pre orders). i bet he easily coulda saved 500$ to by passing up the colors.
yes i get it this is beating a dead horse but i think (at least from what i saw) no one has really posted some numbers to explain why this is kind of fucked.
and kevin is right arguing over 7$ is fucking stupid and if this was a band that again could sell maybe 300 copies over months and people got burned than yeah completely dumb, sucks, but oh well. Granted again i dont follow blank dogs, but this band can "move units" i mean we did a pre order for driver cause well, they've sold over 1000 7"'s and i even think a few 1000 of the LP. it made sense , though when we did the pre order we had the record already at the plant, had the covers on the way, so pretty sure no way we could lose.
anyways, this post is long i know. my point is for posting it, here are some general numbers that show how fucked this is. do i think toby is a jerk? i dunno the guy, prob not. do i think he fucked this up well yes. i can flat out tell you this, as soon as he had the money in his accounth he should have paid for your covers (yes ok it was almost xmas but im pretty sure you prob didnt till at least mid jan), you approve the test (though i would hope and assume by the test press it was approved), and if you cant ship it yourself get help, im sure there are people that would have helped him pack it up and ship it, if you are involved in DIY culture, it really isn't hard. buy a 24 pack, and get your friends to help.
so the bottom line (not included i guess that cold cave band three way split or whoever they are, which im sure he made bank on too)
he at least semi broke even, maybe 100-200$ in the hole (though he coulda made bank if he got rid of the colors im sure)...there is no reason why this 7" beyond the month delay with art should have taken 5 months to get in peoples hands, or even longer depending on if youre still waiting..
not a fan of blank dogs
just thought this thread was interesting
but after reading this thread, we use imprint for every 7" cover we do. the longest it ever took was like 8 days full colored glued...i never did buy that the covers were held up argument
No need to buy any argument, I've used Imprint for every printing job for 6 years, and while generally speaking, you are correct, I talked to Walt when this stuff was going on, and they were indeed not only delayed to almost a month because of getting a new machine, but also delivered to the wrong address and returned back to Imprint then sent back out yet again (which was several weeks as well, not several days, like 7-10 out, held for a few, then 7-10 back, then 7-10 back out, ect ect.
I don't know why people didn't just call the plant or printing press when this stuff was going on, would have debunked half of this shit very easily. (Hey, did these recs actually get pressed? Hey, did these covers actually get made,... because I think this person was scamming). ect ect.
I understand delays and shit happens, totally does. though for example whenever i get a tracking number i check it every day to be sure when/where its going. the drunkdriver repress was sent to an old address and granted it was down the street but i caught it, and was on top of it as soon as it happened.
again i came to this thread late, i was bored and finally wanted to see why a pre order still was being bumped. While fan death has had bumps and had delays in shipping and even personal issues delaying some shipping we try or best to let people know and get the job done. theres a lot working against fan death that few on here are very aware of, yet we get the job done. and i assure, what we are working against is a lot tougher than depression.
this toby dude has been through the ringer enough. and it's just a record, but what makes this interesting is this blank dogs band is part of some trend that sells a good amount of records, and a small label fucked it up. when we sold out of cleaner records we made money and had money for the label beyond what we ever thought, which is what makes this scary. This wasnt some band that can maybe sell 100-200 records in 3-4 months. this shit went fast. there was a good chunk of money that this toby guy had that math is pretty easy. again im sure this is nothing new, but it was just 50 people that got gypt'd a few hundered did, maybe more? not sure.
im pretty sure with the pre orders alone he had enough money to do the covers, and buy the shipping materials, with money left over for shipping and to maybe even put out another record.
lets do the math
(and i know my numbers are not 100% correct as i dont feel like sifting through the thing to find out, but im sure this gets the job kinda done)
the record prob cost (and i dont know why this guy did 3 colors, fucking stupid) 1500
covers 600
400 pre orders 7$ each = 2800$
2800-2100= 700$
boxes unlimted packing boxes and plastic covers = 180
700-180$ = 520$
520 left over for shipping
now 1. this does not include overseas orders nor wholesale orders
2. again i dont know the real numbers of the pressed record, i also could be high balling how much it cost to press
would he have been in the red after shipping? probably, but im sure he was still getting orders after pre order for the real deal (did he do a reg. order?)
now look he has 520 left over he could easily send a few hundred domestic orders, which if he did that right away or right when the covers came in this thread would be maybe 2/3's less than what it is
as i stated earlier doing multi colors = stupid. We personally try our best to stay away unless the band really wants it or if we can get a deal cheaper than black. if we had the capital for it, we would do it but we dont. im pretty sure toby didnt either (hence why most smaller labels do pre orders). i bet he easily coulda saved 500$ to by passing up the colors.
yes i get it this is beating a dead horse but i think (at least from what i saw) no one has really posted some numbers to explain why this is kind of fucked.
and kevin is right arguing over 7$ is fucking stupid and if this was a band that again could sell maybe 300 copies over months and people got burned than yeah completely dumb, sucks, but oh well. Granted again i dont follow blank dogs, but this band can "move units" i mean we did a pre order for driver cause well, they've sold over 1000 7"'s and i even think a few 1000 of the LP. it made sense , though when we did the pre order we had the record already at the plant, had the covers on the way, so pretty sure no way we could lose.
anyways, this post is long i know. my point is for posting it, here are some general numbers that show how fucked this is. do i think toby is a jerk? i dunno the guy, prob not. do i think he fucked this up well yes. i can flat out tell you this, as soon as he had the money in his accounth he should have paid for your covers (yes ok it was almost xmas but im pretty sure you prob didnt till at least mid jan), you approve the test (though i would hope and assume by the test press it was approved), and if you cant ship it yourself get help, im sure there are people that would have helped him pack it up and ship it, if you are involved in DIY culture, it really isn't hard. buy a 24 pack, and get your friends to help.
so the bottom line (not included i guess that cold cave band three way split or whoever they are, which im sure he made bank on too)
he at least semi broke even, maybe 100-200$ in the hole (though he coulda made bank if he got rid of the colors im sure)...there is no reason why this 7" beyond the month delay with art should have taken 5 months to get in peoples hands, or even longer depending on if youre still waiting..
I don't give a cat's fart about any of this, dude set his price, took the $$, did not send the stuff. He ignores my emails (with the paypal receipt) & has not sent me anything.
not a fan of blank dogs
just thought this thread was interesting
but after reading this thread, we use imprint for every 7" cover we do. the longest it ever took was like 8 days full colored glued...i never did buy that the covers were held up argument
No need to buy any argument, I've used Imprint for every printing job for 6 years, and while generally speaking, you are correct, I talked to Walt when this stuff was going on, and they were indeed not only delayed to almost a month because of getting a new machine, but also delivered to the wrong address and returned back to Imprint then sent back out yet again (which was several weeks as well, not several days, like 7-10 out, held for a few, then 7-10 back, then 7-10 back out, ect ect.
I don't know why people didn't just call the plant or printing press when this stuff was going on, would have debunked half of this shit very easily. (Hey, did these recs actually get pressed? Hey, did these covers actually get made,... because I think this person was scamming). ect ect.
I understand delays and shit happens, totally does. though for example whenever i get a tracking number i check it every day to be sure when/where its going. the drunkdriver repress was sent to an old address and granted it was down the street but i caught it, and was on top of it as soon as it happened.
again i came to this thread late, i was bored and finally wanted to see why a pre order still was being bumped. While fan death has had bumps and had delays in shipping and even personal issues delaying some shipping we try or best to let people know and get the job done. theres a lot working against fan death that few on here are very aware of, yet we get the job done. and i assure, what we are working against is a lot tougher than depression.
this toby dude has been through the ringer enough. and it's just a record, but what makes this interesting is this blank dogs band is part of some trend that sells a good amount of records, and a small label fucked it up. when we sold out of cleaner records we made money and had money for the label beyond what we ever thought, which is what makes this scary. This wasnt some band that can maybe sell 100-200 records in 3-4 months. this shit went fast. there was a good chunk of money that this toby guy had that math is pretty easy. again im sure this is nothing new, but it was just 50 people that got gypt'd a few hundered did, maybe more? not sure.
im pretty sure with the pre orders alone he had enough money to do the covers, and buy the shipping materials, with money left over for shipping and to maybe even put out another record.
lets do the math
(and i know my numbers are not 100% correct as i dont feel like sifting through the thing to find out, but im sure this gets the job kinda done)
the record prob cost (and i dont know why this guy did 3 colors, fucking stupid) 1500
covers 600
400 pre orders 7$ each = 2800$
2800-2100= 700$
boxes unlimted packing boxes and plastic covers = 180
700-180$ = 520$
520 left over for shipping
now 1. this does not include overseas orders nor wholesale orders
2. again i dont know the real numbers of the pressed record, i also could be high balling how much it cost to press
would he have been in the red after shipping? probably, but im sure he was still getting orders after pre order for the real deal (did he do a reg. order?)
now look he has 520 left over he could easily send a few hundred domestic orders, which if he did that right away or right when the covers came in this thread would be maybe 2/3's less than what it is
as i stated earlier doing multi colors = stupid. We personally try our best to stay away unless the band really wants it or if we can get a deal cheaper than black. if we had the capital for it, we would do it but we dont. im pretty sure toby didnt either (hence why most smaller labels do pre orders). i bet he easily coulda saved 500$ to by passing up the colors.
yes i get it this is beating a dead horse but i think (at least from what i saw) no one has really posted some numbers to explain why this is kind of fucked.
and kevin is right arguing over 7$ is fucking stupid and if this was a band that again could sell maybe 300 copies over months and people got burned than yeah completely dumb, sucks, but oh well. Granted again i dont follow blank dogs, but this band can "move units" i mean we did a pre order for driver cause well, they've sold over 1000 7"'s and i even think a few 1000 of the LP. it made sense , though when we did the pre order we had the record already at the plant, had the covers on the way, so pretty sure no way we could lose.
anyways, this post is long i know. my point is for posting it, here are some general numbers that show how fucked this is. do i think toby is a jerk? i dunno the guy, prob not. do i think he fucked this up well yes. i can flat out tell you this, as soon as he had the money in his accounth he should have paid for your covers (yes ok it was almost xmas but im pretty sure you prob didnt till at least mid jan), you approve the test (though i would hope and assume by the test press it was approved), and if you cant ship it yourself get help, im sure there are people that would have helped him pack it up and ship it, if you are involved in DIY culture, it really isn't hard. buy a 24 pack, and get your friends to help.
so the bottom line (not included i guess that cold cave band three way split or whoever they are, which im sure he made bank on too)
he at least semi broke even, maybe 100-200$ in the hole (though he coulda made bank if he got rid of the colors im sure)...there is no reason why this 7" beyond the month delay with art should have taken 5 months to get in peoples hands, or even longer depending on if youre still waiting..
I don't give a cat's fart about any of this, dude set his price, took the $$, did not send the stuff. He ignores my emails (with the paypal receipt) & has not sent me anything.
your an idiot, read the msg you nerd. im on your side.
Still waiting here after 6 years...
And just for the cunt who decided to put this out....
This is what it looks like over here....it may not look so different over where you live
(http://www.cottingleyconnect.org.uk/postoffice.jpg)
Still waiting here after 6 years...
And just for the cunt who decided to put this out....
This is what it looks like over here....it may not look so different over where you live
(http://www.cottingleyconnect.org.uk/postoffice.jpg)
Toys? Our fucking Yankee post offices don't sell fucking toys! What is this shit? I feel ripped off!
Still waiting here after 6 years...
And just for the cunt who decided to put this out....
This is what it looks like over here....it may not look so different over where you live
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Toys? Our fucking Yankee post offices don't sell fucking toys! What is this shit? I feel ripped off!
This doesn't look American enough.
10 months and still nothing, just thought I'd point that out
Still waiting here after 6 years...
And just for the cunt who decided to put this out....
This is what it looks like over here....it may not look so different over where you live
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Toys? Our fucking Yankee post offices don't sell fucking toys! What is this shit? I feel ripped off!
the record fairy just plonked yellow vinyl copy on top of my blank box.... yeah
All I do is package and send out records every day.
all ido is package and send out records every daywanna do is bang bang and take your money.
...speaking of waiting forever for a fucking record....
what I like the most about this dude, is that he was wearing such a high hat before, but turned out to be just a bird turd wearing high heels that he didnt have the talent to walk in.
All I do is pack fudge every day.
We're comin' up on a year here pretty soon. Ten more pages and we reach a hundred. What the hell, let's keep this fucker going!
i just got this thread to 90 pages...we're almost there, guys.
i wonder if there will be a one year anniversary for this thread. here's to hoping.
either 100 page thread or make it to one year. either one would be grand.
Can I still sell this for $$$?
I haavent DJed powerpop in well over a year.
Can I still sell this for $$$?
if that's what you bought it for, you got what you deserved
Good things come to those who wait (and don't complain endlessly). Got mine today!
I haavent DJed powerpop in well over a year.
Good things come to those who wait (and don't complain endlessly). Got mine today!
So you're happy it took a year?
Good things come to those who wait (and don't complain endlessly). Got mine today!
So you're happy it took a year?
let's be fair, almost 11 months.....
that's like waiting an hour at taco bell for a chalupa
well Im still waiting
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might i interest you in 40 packets of cocaine?
I got mine about 2 months ago after I emailed him.
QuoteI got mine about 2 months ago after I emailed him.
yep, so did I. He apologized for the 10 month delay and sent a free Crocodiles/Cold Cave/Blessure Grave split.
whats this guys email? still never got mine
If there is anyone out there that ordered and has yet to recieve anything, 2 copies mysteriously arrived today. I got the one I actually ordered months ago...but for whatever reason, 2 more just arrived.
So if anyone is still waiting, PM me. I've got 1 yellow and 1 blue. Charge = postage only.
might i interest you in 40 packets of cocaine?
Dont do drugs. Sorry.
1year or a hundred pages. Let's make this happen. A party perhaps. Mike should have a dj/club nite in honor.
Happy Thanksgiving Mike Sniper.
20 days until ONE YEAR of not having the records
20 days until ONE YEAR of not having the records
Can't wait: December 16, 2009, The Day Preorders Died!
PS what comes first December 16, 2009 or 100 pages?
trying to get to 100 is nearly as tedious as a blessure grave record
trying to get to 100 is nearly as tedious as a blessure grave record
best post in 10 pages
Wes Eisold in Cold Cavetrying to get to 100 is nearly as tedious as a blessure grave record
best post in 10 pages
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Thanks for the patience people!
Thanks for the patience people!
Thanks for the patience people!
Thanks for the patience people!
Thanks for the patience people!
Thanks for the patience people!
Thanks for the patience people!
Thanks for the patience people!
Thanks for the patience people!
Thanks for the patience people!
smash it, repackage it, and return to sender.
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Y'all is cheatin.
what is the band?
I wonder with enough harassment if we can get this dude to commit suicide. That has always been a personal goal of mine. Almost worked on some cumdumpster when I was 16 when I threw the condom and the 3 dollars I had in my pocket at her in front of her friends...
He is or was depressed or some bullshit. I hope they play austin and I didn't even order this stupid record
Where is the love at? For this record,was it even any good?
my boner is anything but blank.Where is the love at? For this record,was it even any good?
I think most people had lost their blank boners by the time they actually got it.
Has anybody seen this dudes band since all this started?
what is the band?
Jah devision or you mean the Sex Jews?blak mike is talking about depressed Ethiopian sex cults
Reposting this again since it's a long thread..................might as well flip that shit, yo.
If there is anyone out there that ordered and has yet to recieve anything, 2 copies mysteriously arrived. I got the one I actually ordered months ago...but for whatever reason, 2 more just arrived.
So if anyone is still waiting, PM me. I've got 1 yellow and 1 blue. Charge = postage only.
Reposting this again since it's a long thread..................
If there is anyone out there that ordered and has yet to recieve anything, 2 copies mysteriously arrived. I got the one I actually ordered months ago...but for whatever reason, 2 more just arrived.
So if anyone is still waiting, PM me. I've got 1 yellow and 1 blue. Charge = postage only.
What happens when this thread gets to 100 pages?
Reposting this again since it's a long thread..................
If there is anyone out there that ordered and has yet to recieve anything, 2 copies mysteriously arrived. I got the one I actually ordered months ago...but for whatever reason, 2 more just arrived.
So if anyone is still waiting, PM me. I've got 1 yellow and 1 blue. Charge = postage only.
This is so confusing. So he's sending multiple copies to people who had previously received their order and then none at all to a bunch of other people? He continues to find more and more ways to fuck with people huh!
This is so confusing. So he's sending multiple copies to people who had previously received their order and then none at all to a bunch of other people? He continues to find more and more ways to fuck with people huh!
If this is true. I like the way this fellow thinks. To bad he threw in a bunch of crybaby "I'm down on my luck shit".
This is so confusing. So he's sending multiple copies to people who had previously received their order and then none at all to a bunch of other people? He continues to find more and more ways to fuck with people huh!
If this is true. I like the way this fellow thinks. To bad he threw in a bunch of crybaby "I'm down on my luck shit".
The crybaby line is the best. Make people think you are suicidal and you can get away with a lot! That's how I usually keep people from breaking up with me.
This is so confusing. So he's sending multiple copies to people who had previously received their order and then none at all to a bunch of other people? He continues to find more and more ways to fuck with people huh!
If this is true. I like the way this fellow thinks. To bad he threw in a bunch of crybaby "I'm down on my luck shit".
The crybaby line is the best. Make people think you are suicidal and you can get away with a lot! That's how I usually keep people from breaking up with me.
Aww man that's good. I used that line to real em in.
I DID IT!
this place is ORGANIZED.
a zine would be a pretty neat idea, and did this dude actually sell this rec on ebay or what? don't feel like going back and looking.RECTIFIEDalso YeDaMaNG!
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a zine would be a pretty neat idea, and did this dude actually sell this rec on ebay or what? don't feel like going back and looking.CONGRATS to mah dawg for bringing page 100
also YeDaMaNG!
a zine would be a pretty neat idea, and did this dude actually sell this rec on ebay or what? don't feel like going back and looking.CONGRATS to mah dawg for bringing page 100
also YeDaMaNG!
Not for long I'd imagine...
really dig this sales argument
"THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO PURCHASE THE RECORD THAT INSPIRED A 727324-PAGE THREAD ON TERMINAL BOREDOM, INTERNET RECORD BUYER!"
This is so confusing. So he's sending multiple copies to people who had previously received their order and then none at all to a bunch of other people? He continues to find more and more ways to fuck with people huh!
whoa! just got a package with the split 7" and the altars 7"...the blank dogs 7"
wasnt included but im thankful...as all germans are!
BLACK FRIDAY TERMBO SPECIAL - paypal $4 to apt2324@hotmail.com for a special version of the DITG release - Blank Dogs - "In Here" 7"
ppd worldwide!
Back to the BASICS.
Has anyone received anything lately? I think the fuckhole sent out a burst of stuff a month or so ago, and then drifted off again like whinging autumn leaves pushed by a sputtering leaf blower...in the rain.
CONGRATULATIONS THREAD: YOU'RE ALL GROWN UP!
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She's 17 dog.she doesn't look like a real woman to me...
CONGRATULATIONS THREAD: YOU'RE ALL GROWN UP!
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CONGRATULATIONS THREAD: YOU'RE ALL GROWN UP!
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I honestly don't know who this chick is in the picture
CONGRATULATIONS THREAD: YOU'RE ALL GROWN UP!
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It's really hard to tell these kinda chicks apart. It coulda been one of those twins who used to be on Full House, or that Lohan chick or whatever. I don't bother attaching names to faces with these disposable young celebrities...
I honestly don't know who this chick is in the picture
That is Miley Cyrus, a national treasure, not cool dawg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-jRHI3INyg
That song rules, POWER POP!
Attn: Refund seekers
BLESSURE GRAVE @ the Hub, Sacramento Wed 12/30
GOT THIS TODAYNAH UH
GOT THIS TODAYNAH UH
i feel bummed about all those blank dogs records i ordered.....
this thread is life
I guess a couple of friends or fans of Cold Cave walked up to dude from Blessure Grave as he was sitting outside of their show in NYC and just beat the shit out of him and then walked away. Also heard they were taken off of Chaos in Tejas so that dude didn't get killed.
GANGSTA SYNTHS
I guess a couple of friends or fans of Cold Cave walked up to dude from Blessure Grave as he was sitting outside of their show in NYC and just beat the shit out of him and then walked away. Also heard they were taken off of Chaos in Tejas so that dude didn't get killed.
GANGSTA SYNTHS
Fuck! I knew I shoulda gone to that Bruar Falls show!
this thread is life
I hate the fuckers who keep reminding me I got screwed.....
dude who roadied for us used to live with him when he did the suicide file/rnr 7" disaster: our roadie said he just ate subway everyday with the money. i think that's kinda awesome he did nothing substantial with it. Hopefully he's found Taco Bell and all our BLANK BUX are now bean & cheese shits.
I was gunna ask for a refund (or steal a synth) at the chaos show but they bailed.
toby seems like a good enough dude in real life
dude who roadied for us used to live with him when he did the suicide file/rnr 7" disaster: our roadie said he just ate subway everyday with the money. i think that's kinda awesome he did nothing substantial with it. Hopefully he's found Taco Bell and all our BLANK BUX are now bean & cheese shits.
I was gunna ask for a refund (or steal a synth) at the chaos show but they bailed.
I heard that they didn't bail as much as the promoter canceled their performance because people were gonna fuck up Toby hard and he didn't want that at the fest.
toby seems like a good enough dude in real life
???
I heard hitler was also a solid dude IRL.
Some kid who put out a Blank Dogs record just got compared to Hitler.
Some kid who put out a Blank Dogs record just got compared to Hitler.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yizpWta-5Uw
my point was I can't see how someone can be a solid dude, who took a a few thousand dollars from people..
That's all.
Some kid who put out a Blank Dogs record just got compared to Hitler.Everyone should be compared to Hitler as some point in their life.
Some kid who put out a Blank Dogs record just got compared to Hitler.Everyone should be compared to Hitler as some point in their life.
Captured Tracks - Official SS Panzer Division Of Brooklyn NYCSome kid who put out a Blank Dogs record just got compared to Hitler.Everyone should be compared to Hitler as some point in their life.
Everyone who put out a Blank Dogs record should be compared to Hitler.
One more chance to collect on your Blank Dogs record
Bessure Grave 7/6 The Hub, Sacramento
One more chance to collect on your Blank Dogs record
Bessure Grave 7/6 The Hub, Sacramento
somehow, i find this very disappointing.
i guess i liked to think of ssr as above the fray
Are these still available???!?!?
I was short on cash when the preorder came up, but I'd really like to pick up a copy if they're still available. Let me know!!
I know man I'm just clowning.
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Waiting on the Blank Dogs covers.
Thanks for the patience people!
Congratulations, Toby, you made an aborted mail order message board drama last longer than a full time job I started in 2008!
All I do is package and send out records every day.
so I went back to the first page to see just how long ago it all began.
Thanks again!
I can't understand why some people got the records they ordered (one guy even wrote that he got a double order by mistake) and others like myself haven't????
I can't understand why some people got the records they ordered (one guy even wrote that he got a double order by mistake) and others like myself haven't????
I like Blessure Grave
I can't understand why some people got the records they ordered (one guy even wrote that he got a double order by mistake) and others like myself haven't????
Yeah, me too. I think he may have that Rainman thing. Like he can only see names with 9 letters. Yeah yeah definetly only 9 letters. Blank Dogs at 5 Blank Dogs at 5.......I can't understand why some people got the records they ordered (one guy even wrote that he got a double order by mistake) and others like myself haven't????
I don't know either, but I can tell you this: I'm very concerned.
Your name is Toby
just when you thought it couldn't get any better... toby chan strikes again!
http://gretschpages.com/forum/garage-sale/gretsch-white-penguin-for-cheap/36149/page1/
I woke up this morning and 50 of these had arrived on my mailbox... and I didn't even order one! WOW!That's it?!?! 50?!?! Pathetic. I got 75 and i think they are all limited edition scratch and sniff ones. Ebay all day!!
I heard some great stories about this fuckface recently. Will relate at a later date. Ironically, was about to go to a shindig at Prof. Snipes place, but now I'm DJing at some shithole called The Charleston.
Wow.
These Gretsch dudes really banded together to trash him all over. Heartwarming, really.
Dude is headed for major trouble I think. Only a junkie would be so brazen.
Has anyone on here heard of shit happening to him on tour? He's playing the Hemlock very soon.
Supposedly this dude has caught a couple beatdowns - maybe one from Cold Cave dudes?!
I think Chaos in Tejas tossed Blessure Garve of the fest bill one year too just to avoid the inevitable fisticuffs.
Just read that Blessure Grave includes Justin from Mutators, who I did a record for a few years back. Weird, definitely a stand up guy...you'd think people would disassociate themselves.
He's an easy whoopin?!?!?! Sweet....I'm in. I could use the confidence boost of kicking someones ass
"I doubt most people would be pissed off enough to wanna fight the dude over $7"
I would fight him for way less....mainly because i know i could kick his ass.
"I doubt most people would be pissed off enough to wanna fight the dude over $7"
I would fight him for way less....mainly because i know i could kick his ass.
I heard some great stories about this fuckface recently. Will relate at a later date. Ironically, was about to go to a shindig at Prof. Snipes place, but now I'm DJing at some shithole called The Charleston.
Let's hear em
this is still going on?
His phone number and home address have now been posted on that Gretsch board. Isn't there an SLO guy on here who will volunteer to TP his house, just like old times?
you cali folks gotta un-lax yourselves for a second and go find this dude and fuck his shit up mang. decrease the peace in this situation
Just had an email from DITG. Apparently there's some trouble with the artwork. He says it should be about a week or two til they ship out which is good news as I'm looking forward to some new B Dawgz jamz.
He got his ass kicked a while back in NYC or something.
I got you Rick.
All I do is package and send out records every day.
Is this the same douche who ran away from Portland? Do things ever change? Good luck. To anyone who doesn't know well enough not to deal with you, be cautious.
Fuck a paypal claim
Er, I'm actually meaning to josh the scumstatters....not so much you!
and the blank dogs onslaught continues...
He got his ass kicked a while back in NYC or something.
why did he get his ass kicked? was the music that bad?
He got his ass kicked a while back in NYC or something.
why did he get his ass kicked? was the music that bad?
Some dudes affiliated with a certain band he was involved with. I knew the guy who was drumming for him at the time, it was after some show they played out there. I knew Toby while he was here; he's still kind of a legend around here for how bad he burned his bridges. Last I heard, he and his girlfriend here broke up, he moved to LA, quit Blessure Grave, met another gal to become his goth princess, started a band with her, and I don't know what from there.
He got his ass kicked a while back in NYC or something.
why did he get his ass kicked? was the music that bad?
Some dudes affiliated with a certain band he was involved with. I knew the guy who was drumming for him at the time, it was after some show they played out there. I knew Toby while he was here; he's still kind of a legend around here for how bad he burned his bridges. Last I heard, he and his girlfriend here broke up, he moved to LA, quit Blessure Grave, met another gal to become his goth princess, started a band with her, and I don't know what from there.
Where is he scaring up all of these scream queens?
Er, I'm actually meaning to josh the scumstatters....not so much you!
Er, I'm actually meaning to josh the scumstatters....not so much you!
You're digging shit up from page 9 of this thread as if it has any context now?
Yeah, I booked his new band at The Hub. We're having a show, not a panel discussion on how to run a record label. His band is co-touring with Dangerous Boys Club, which is a must-see for me based on how their record sounds, and the ex-members-of connections. These bands have adoring fans that are unaware and unconcerned about all of this. Compared to punishing one person on this tour, I'd rather keep those paying fans pleased and The Hub breaking even, or closer to breaking even. The reasons to book the show outweighed reasons not to book it. I'm also into keeping The Hub off the radar of police, so peace will be enforced if some TermBro comes to collect. Print a Paypal receipt and calmly ask for a refund. If it escalates, you'll be the third person I've ever bounced outta here. I booked this show on my own terms based on the principle of for-the-greater-good.
Er, I'm actually meaning to josh the scumstatters....not so much you!
You're digging shit up from page 9 of this thread as if it has any context now?
Yeah, I booked his new band at The Hub. We're having a show, not a panel discussion on how to run a record label. His band is co-touring with Dangerous Boys Club, which is a must-see for me based on how their record sounds, and the ex-members-of connections. These bands have adoring fans that are unaware and unconcerned about all of this. Compared to punishing one person on this tour, I'd rather keep those paying fans pleased and The Hub breaking even, or closer to breaking even. The reasons to book the show outweighed reasons not to book it. I'm also into keeping The Hub off the radar of police, so peace will be enforced if some TermBro comes to collect. Print a Paypal receipt and calmly ask for a refund. If it escalates, you'll be the third person I've ever bounced outta here. I booked this show on my own terms based on the principle of for-the-greater-good.
Er, I'm actually meaning to josh the scumstatters....not so much you!
You're digging shit up from page 9 of this thread as if it has any context now?
Yeah, I booked his new band at The Hub. We're having a show, not a panel discussion on how to run a record label. His band is co-touring with Dangerous Boys Club, which is a must-see for me based on how their record sounds, and the ex-members-of connections. These bands have adoring fans that are unaware and unconcerned about all of this. Compared to punishing one person on this tour, I'd rather keep those paying fans pleased and The Hub breaking even, or closer to breaking even. The reasons to book the show outweighed reasons not to book it. I'm also into keeping The Hub off the radar of police, so peace will be enforced if some TermBro comes to collect. Print a Paypal receipt and calmly ask for a refund. If it escalates, you'll be the third person I've ever bounced outta here. I booked this show on my own terms based on the principle of for-the-greater-good.
don't you care about tha scene at all? really harshin my mellow maaann
Er, I'm actually meaning to josh the scumstatters....not so much you!
You're digging shit up from page 9 of this thread as if it has any context now?
Yeah, I booked his new band at The Hub. We're having a show, not a panel discussion on how to run a record label. His band is co-touring with Dangerous Boys Club, which is a must-see for me based on how their record sounds, and the ex-members-of connections. These bands have adoring fans that are unaware and unconcerned about all of this. Compared to punishing one person on this tour, I'd rather keep those paying fans pleased and The Hub breaking even, or closer to breaking even. The reasons to book the show outweighed reasons not to book it. I'm also into keeping The Hub off the radar of police, so peace will be enforced if some TermBro comes to collect. Print a Paypal receipt and calmly ask for a refund. If it escalates, you'll be the third person I've ever bounced outta here. I booked this show on my own terms based on the principle of for-the-greater-good.
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Hello Rick,
A friend of mine just told me about the latest controversy on the infamous Blank Dogs thread. (He's part of the pro-lynching Toby camp by the way) I'm not a termbo so I can't respond, and as an "employee" of the label I really shouldn't address any of this.
But for your benefit here goes:
No one at the label knew anything about Toby Francis/Chan/Grave aside from his music. None of us are really "scenesters" anymore, (in quotes for maximum implied derisiveness) and it didn't really cross our minds to vet potential artists via Message Board and Blogosphere before trying to work with them. Blessure Grave was approached based on what we felt were the merits of the music. Later on in the process we started receiving anonymous hatemail and links to every imaginable corner of the internet with detailed explanations of Toby's alleged atrocities. Classy subject lines such as "TOBI CHAN = FAGGOT" and "YR LABLE (sic) SUXX DIX" started rolling into our general information inbox. Unfortunately we aren't Toby's parents or legal guardians so there really isn't much we can do. We had already reached an agreement with him and his bandmates to put out an LP, paid for the recording dates, etc. So far Toby has been great to work with and until we have a reason to feel otherwise we're going to fulfill our end of the bargain.
As such, I think it's unfair that Fast Weapons or Dangerous Boys Club or people such as yourself (that are promoting small all ages shows for no monetary gain) should have to answer any questions about Toby. The people in DBC are friends of mine and they'd never even met him until a few days ago. The tour was set up by the label because it made sense; two new bands on a brand new label. Anyone that has a grievance with Toby should probably address it directly with Toby instead of engaging those of us on the periphery. Kicking his ass in public doesn't make much sense to me because it's a possibly felony. If that's what it takes for someone to forget about the humiliation of losing $7 + shipping and handling, then by all means. Go for it. Complaining on a message board or sending hatemail to a small label just doesn't seem like a very rewarding endeavor.
Actually, as a representative of the label, might I suggest purchasing the Soft Kill record at full price then smashing it into a thousand pieces in your parents driveway while blasting Lifetime Problems by the Dicks. They're $14. (Not the Dicks 7inch, that is considerably more expensive) Anyone that prints out all 112 pages of the Termbo thread and sends it to us will receive $4 off. Sorry, NO PRE-ORDERS.
Aside from all this, hope you are doing well.
And for whatever benefit to your sanity, my response...
Hey! No worries I also think Adolf Hitler is cool.
'Til we speak again, go Blazers!
Thanks,
Rick
Hey! No worries about the controversy here.
In re-reading my post....
urine.
And for the sake of contriteness...
My Broth'r Hans
But I will make good, fellas!
So I don't think it's unreasonable for me to leave a door open for him to earn his way back to respectability.
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This is fucking bonkers.
newsflash to Rick: hitler was a vegetarian
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"Those ovens ain't just for pizzas!" -- DJ Rick
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"THE SHOW STARTS WHENEVER THE FUCK I SAY IT STARTS, YOU FUCKING MAGGOT PIECES OF SHIT!!! FUCK YOU AND YOUR BULLSHIT DEMO TAPES!!! GIVE ME PUSSY, COCAINE AND MONEY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"-- DJ Rick
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"Eat Skull went through a pretty massive lineup shift in the last several months. On the promise of "Oregon Dreaming"--particularly the "We're leaving!" part--founders Rob and Rod came to Northern California. Rob has been in Oakland, and Rod's been living upstairs in our house the last few months here in Sacto. Rod's focused on other things, so the only continuing member is Rob. He put together a couple new lineups last summer...one of which played one of the very worst shows I've seen just moments after a killer impromptu acoustic warm-up set on the front porch of their crash-pad for the night. The show was so bad--excessively reverbed acoustic guitars and vocals and bongos seemingly playing three songs simultaneously--I kinda just let things cool off and didn't initiate any contact with the band for several weeks.
Later, I heard the news that Rich had left or been axed from--not my business to know which--Psychedelic Horseshit and was moving to the Bay Area, and that Rob was wanting to jump him into Eat Skull. I was still sorta believe-when-I-see-it.
Then, totally outta the blue, I get a call from a friend who had Rob on the other line asking if Eat Skull could come crash one of the shows I had going on at The Hub in Sacramento that weekend. Sex Church was playing that very night. He was like, "We're cruising over there right now regardless, so you can let us play tonight or tomorrow...either way, we just really want Rod to see us play right now!" So, the story goes...they were hanging out at the beach that afternoon looking for a good time, but then kinda got bummed at the beach, and then inspired to cruise out to Sacto and force their way onto a show because they were so stoked on how they sounded, and they knew we would be, too. I was still cringing at the last memory they left, but I was like, "Okay, FINE!...Tell 'em they play last tonight, but I probably can't give them much if any money."
Two hours later, they show up with Rich Horseshit, Hart from the Hunches, and Ned (ex-Jocks & Jazz-era Hospitals) flanking Rob. And they had a giant oil drum. I'm like...Okay...You have my attention, but I'm still bracing.
After Sex Church play a tremendously set, the crowd thinned out since no one was expecting Eat Skull to play. My non-cell-phone-havin' self couldn't warn anyone that it was gonna happen. But Rod was there, and that's really all that mattered to Eat Skull v2.1.
Unlike that last terrible Eat Skull show where you couldn't recognize any of their songs by familiar melodies or rhythms--because there were none to speak of!--you could actually recognize the songs immediately and sing along. Ned's one helluva ringer on guitar...and always has been since I first saw him play in So So Many White White Tigers. He and Rich kept things rolling solidly. The solid-est they'd been since when Beren was drumming, and no amount of Rob randomness could swerve it off the rails. Hart was alternately beating on the oil drum or accenting the rhythm with bongos. At worst, it did nothing to detract from what the others were doing, but at best, it made it sound a little more aggressive and gnarly, which blended with the more volatile vibe that Rob put out during certain sarcastically sung verses.
All the hits were played, and fans sung along, but just when the timing was so approrpriate, the guitarists handed off their guitars to all the kids that came from Stockton to see their friend's band open the show (and because they had to know what Sex Church's "209" song was about [Stocktonites have a more extreme sorta area code pride than most people]) . The kids kept strumming while the whole band beat the shit outta that oil drum. Hart then grabbed the vocal mic and started a stream-of-consciousness diatribe that was stark-raving brilliant. As the aggression reached a crescendo and more audience members began beating the oil drum with anything handy, Rob kicked it over, sending it rolling across the floor, and then he jumped on its side and started barrel-rolling to and fro across the floor. Dude was like an expert log-roll competitor or something! I never suspect he'd have that kinda coordination. He flew off the drum into a rolling somersault, and then everyone else gave it a try and failed miserably. It struck me as the most potentially dangerous thing I'd ever seen happen at The Hub, and I was happy that no one got hurt...but even more happy that I saw and heard Eat Skull completely redeem themselves on this night.
This version of the band did go on tour across Europe late last fall/early winter, and the tour mostly fell apart according to their touring mates, the Ganglians. While the Ganglians were able to eke out some okay shows on the fly, Eat Skull reportedly drove to Russia in December with no plan other than to see what happens. It took weeks for everyone to make it back home. But they did...so despite the grimness of the tour, I'd expect to hear more from them....and also expect the best. Yet, also...expect it to be different. THEN AGAIN, I MIGHT JUST SLIT THEIR FOOLISHLY REBELIOUS FUCKING THROATS!"-- DJ Rick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLnKb2428Y0
I openly just asked DJ Rick if he's a Nazi, because saying things like that sounds like Nazi shit to me.
What the hell is that kid addicted to, twinkies?
(http://www.davidmillercreations.com/Judge0006.jpg)What the hell is that kid addicted to, twinkies?
DUDE'S BUILT LIKE DAN AKROYD, 1996.
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The thread that keeps on giving.
http://blessuregrave.blogspot.com/2011/01/unreleased-excerpts-from-reyna-kay.html"Unreleased excerpt in the spirit of Kurt Cobain's journal", ohmygod. Back to grammar school!
If this has been posted before then I apologise but I just came across this. The response is utterly priceless.
NEVER FORGET THE THINGS WE LEARNED "IN HERE"
http://blessuregrave.blogspot.com/2011/01/unreleased-excerpts-from-reyna-kay.htmlthat just confuses me. i would still love my money back though...
If this has been posted before then I apologise but I just came across this. The response is utterly priceless.
NEVER FORGET THE THINGS WE LEARNED "IN HERE"
http://blessuregrave.blogspot.com/2011/01/unreleased-excerpts-from-reyna-kay.html
If this has been posted before then I apologise but I just came across this. The response is utterly priceless.
NEVER FORGET THE THINGS WE LEARNED "IN HERE"
My dog is named Toby. .
The thread that keeps on giving.
Now Methamphetamine on the other hand!
I'mma keep cranking these out!
the thread that keeps on giving!
If by "molested" you mean: spoiled with thousands of dollars worth of music gear, clothed in tight 38" waist pink shorts and mall goth t-shirts, well nourished (obviously) with an abundance of food throughout adolescence, given ample spending money for cocaine and cut loose to roam the streets of NYC, all the while being able to afford high speed internet in 2002 when some of us were still suffering to check hotmail accounts on netzero, all provided by two wealthy, yet absentee tri-coastal divorced parents one of whom is deeply connected in the music industry and actually hooked him up with a job as a roadie for Puddle of Mudd before he was 21....Then the answer is yes, he was seriously molested growing up.
a roadie for Puddle of Mudd before he was 21
most, if not all, the entire blank dogs back catalog is rotting in the used bins at the local record store right now. i see the same 5+ blank dogs records there every time i go.
the thread that keeps on giving!
This thread has gotten bigger than Blank Dogs at this point.
Nothing wrong with early Blank Dogs.
If by "molested" you mean: spoiled with thousands of dollars worth of music gear, clothed in tight 38" waist pink shorts and mall goth t-shirts, well nourished (obviously) with an abundance of food throughout adolescence, given ample spending money for cocaine and cut loose to roam the streets of NYC, all the while being able to afford high speed internet in 2002 when some of us were still suffering to check hotmail accounts on netzero, all provided by two wealthy, yet absentee tri-coastal divorced parents one of whom is deeply connected in the music industry and actually hooked him up with a job as a roadie for Puddle of Mudd before he was 21....Then the answer is yes, he was seriously molested growing up.
Just got mine. Not very good, not worth the wait, etc etc
Just got mine. Not very good, not worth the wait, etc etc
I wonder what exact stars align to where, two and a half years later, this dude suddenly decides to send someone their record.
This really is the all-time Termbo highlight, and pretty much justifies the board's entire existence. Kind of wish I'd ordered these records, just to be closer to the experience.
they still suck as much as they always did.most, if not all, the entire blank dogs back catalog is rotting in the used bins at the local record store right now. i see the same 5+ blank dogs records there every time i go.
Yellow Mice Sleep, Planets and Outside Alarmer among other are good tunes. Nothing wrong with early Blank Dogs. Got stale pretty quick though. But BD at best are nothing compared to this thread
Fuck these are already going fast.
$8 ppd isn't too much to ask for a high-quality single with good tunes on it.
everybody needs to just stop hating on this guy so much... hes slow, well get our shit soon enough
as a side note, this thread is full of a bunch of dumb motherfuckers who probably deserve to be stabbed more than someone putting out shitty records. that faggot nigger will have your records to you soon enough i'm sure.
So, has anyone besides the band or people who bought theirs from the band received theirs yet?
at this point everyone should just consider a poor investment and get on with their lives, were notgoing to see them.
this reminds me of the newsradio episode when phil hartman is conned into a gym membership by ben stiller and by the end he just wants his fuckin money back. down in the ground dude is like ben stiller and we are phil hartman
I don't want my money. I want my fucking records.
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I talked to Toby like a week or two ago.
I'm not making excuses or some elaborate story, but I can tell you that despite coming across like a mega flake and fuck up to everyone, he really has good intentions and is a positive guy.
Like Rick, I've known Toby for like 6 years now. I write this off to be this: he's got a ton of shit going on that's all crazy, and it is very hard to keep up.
I do a label, Gilgongo, and like Toby, have a normal job, and sometimes, I myself end up in weird situations where a week and a half have gone by, and I have 30 orders that need to go out, and on occasion, things DO get messed up.
There's so many other things at play.
This was a pre-order, I still don't think he has the physical covers from Imprint. Imprint does the 7"s in house, but had new machinery, and it was causing a delay. Ask around, he's not the only one that's had to deal with it.
In comparison, with me working a typically 10 hour a day job, and alway splaying or going to shows, I have a hard time keeping track of all the small things with each order and blah blah blah. That's an average of 20 a week.
Toby's got infinite times more than that on his plate, minimal time to deal with it, and an instantaneos backlash by people.
Another comparison. I just released a new CD for a folky guy, Stephen Steinbrink, who used to be French quarter. I did a pre=order, it came with a zine and an extra CDr, no more than 35 people did it. Despite saying it would not mail until the end of January or whatever, before January was over, I had AT LEAST 10 of these people e-mailing me multiple times about the "status" of their order. Which is obviously annoying.
Although he doesn't have specific dates thrown down, and I would not argue that a lot of time has gone by, it's also impossible to place some blame for the overwhelming backlash on the nature of the consumre. In my case, it was indie dorks on a CD,... you guys are legit collectors on some hyped projects.
That sound shitty maybe, but perhaps you get what I mean?
Anyway, when I talked to him, he was talking about quitting the label after these things wrap up, beause the ammount of stress he was getting from the plants fucking things up, the cover makers having huge delays, and so so so many people complaining and pissed, he felt burnt out and already, the the cons outweighed the pros, and in that case, I am sure they do.
I reassured him that what he's doing with this label is valid. You can all go fuck yourself if you can't acknowledge that these are exiting releases, right?
But agreed, in the future? a preorder is totally a shitty idea until you've got a verson of the final product sitting in there with you, or have fair reason to no have concerns.
Obviously, I am friends with this guy. No shit.
however, it goes deeper than that. ...being another person that puts things out and seeing the ammount of unrealistic backlash you can receive makes me sympathetic to how this is playing out and why he is so bummed.
Dude's a sweet heart who has consistently had other people shit all over him and then felt like a target when the community writes it off as "this retard shat on himself". He's not perfect, no one on here is, but he's not doing this with bad intentions.
Not to mention all of this, he's running this in teamwork with his partner / girlfriend, who is also a legit person who also works her ass of doing great work in the normal world. (like myself).
It just really bums me out to see an entire group of people completely tear down someone. I'm not saying none of the complaints are valid. Duh, some are. But there's also reasonable explanations that he's shot in there when he could. And for everyone one of you that hasn't gotten anything, there's like 10 that have. And the process has been slow, but you know, how oten to you hear from the satisfied costumer who doesn't lurk message boards?
Let me tell you something else...
Two sides to every story regarding most things, since people want to dig up issues relating to HARDCORE and forever ago. I will instead of address the fact that his side is both sad and compelling, the fact that he's been touring all over the country every since, and not a single person has ever followed through with one of this silly fucking threats, and in some cases, meet him and things are cool and fine.
Toby is extremely ambitious, loves fucked shit, and was more than ready to dive into this full force. He's been hit by a train of bad luck, that get's flipped all on top of him, and it's a fucking bummer to watch.
I wish he'd be on here more, with more explanations, but can't blame him for steering clear of a constant onslaught of negativity, doubt and slander.
If I make T-shirts that say:
IN HERE 7" 2009
NEVER FORGET!
will anyone buy one?
What's going on IN HERE?
This is a message I sent to Mike Sniper concerning the Wolfgutsss
no records/no response situation. I wrote this on March 2nd. MS
stated I should post the comments, but since Wolfgutsss posted
refunds/assurances that day I figured the discs would be surfacing.
Therefore I did not post the comments.
I will post the comments now.
The thing about this matter is it doesn't make sense to me.
Why would a young?? musician want to alienate his peers and
business associates by outright lying/stealing from the industry
he is trying to make money from? I wonder what his band mates
feel about this situation? - the Blessure Grave name has taken an
unfortunate negative hit that has nothing to do with the sound
of their tunes. The guy must have a drug habit, or be financially
desperate to just turn his back on his musical business/passion/
endeavors. Or maybe he suffered being ripped off himself.
Does anyone know if the records were pressed at a plant?
It seems that could be verified. If so, then it is now a matter
of printing and postage costs that are holding up the records.
My scum stats - I am in for 4 singles that I have not received.
Here is the message I sent to Mike Sniper on March 2nd.
I disagree with SS in that Sniper needs to make amends for this
situation. But this view of SS might be incorrect; I thought I saw
him post comments in this regard.
Howdy MS,
I am sorry that the BD preorder from Wolfgutsss is turning into
such a hassle - I guess he needs to respond to folks emails -
1. he still has a website, he has an update from Feb 17 concerning
the 3 way split, he showed pictures of the BD 7" on FEB 24th - so 12
business days from Feb 24th is March 12th - the BD singles should
be arriving to folks by then - I have no idea about this guy, but he
seems to have listed info - yet others are all up in arms about him
ripping folks off - I guess this has to do with the 3 way split 7"
taking so long - but his website says they were mailed Feb 17th
so this should resolve this week, but I guess this is where the
problem is - the records are not arriving.
2. I stuck up for this guy as I observed that alot of questions were
being asked that he had already answered - I
have no idea who this seller is from my computer here in Atlanta -
I have purchased 3 copies of the BD single (want all colors - really
liked this song) and 1 wounded lion - I have emailed him to send all
of mine together so I figure my BD singles will arrive after most
others since my package is waiting on the Wounded lion single.
3. Maybe this criticism of Wolfgutsss has occurred because the bands
have not received their copies of the singles that he agreed to at the
outset. This is something that I have no idea about. Which is why
I keep asking the question "Where has all the criticism/speculation
concerning these records come from?" Thats what I don't get.
4. None of this has any bearing on you or any of the other bands.
(wounded lion etc)
I cannot control another persons business transactions from here in
Atlanta. I cannot prevent people from frauding me on Ebay. I cannot
prevent a clean looking record from being a bad press and sounding
bad. Neither can you.
5. This is not punk rock. But it turns out punk (to me) is a reckless
abandon approach to art and media and maybe politics. Though in politics, one usually has to be middle of the road to get elected, then
once put in a position of influence, radical change can then prevail.
Look at Abraham Lincoln and Lyndon Johnson as examples of this
thinking (the PBS documentary of Lincoln gave me a whole new
perspective on who Lincoln really was).
The anarchy of punk rock really won't work in a message board like this, or in society itself. It seems that nothing would ever be accomplished, while everyone would be caught up in "breaking
barriers, criticism, and individual ego boosting."
The ideas of punk seem to work well in art/music/film presentation,
but the ideas of punk rock seem contradicted in the business/
marketing side of selling the art - the artists/creators need to be
able to live/eat/function within the economics of their chosen
locale. And one learns quickly the pitfalls of being ripped off -
No one likes a thief, despite the fact that Abbie Hoffman said
"Steal This Book".
6. I have faith that this situation with Wolfgutsss will resolve -
he is being slow, but updates and postings have been met.
But if the BD discs don't start showing up around Friday the 13th
of March (a fitting date) then I too will be very disappointed in his
actions (will loose faith). If we all lose in this venture, it will balance
out - musicians will write better songs, more termbo bands will gain
world exposure, records will increase in price - it may benefit more
in the long run if well all get shafted - life has a strange way of
balancing out.
No response in necessary - I figure you have answered too many
questions to this already - but I haven't given up on Wolfgutsss yet
- he seems to have posts out on the thread and at his website
keeping everyone informed - but the 3 - way single does need to
surface to all who bought it.
Is god the biggest punk rocker of all time - to divide the sea and let
Moses lead his people thru then drown the Romans - whoa talk about
anarchy.
so these are my thoughts - gotta go
clean up on aisle 9
Buck
Lastly,
If Sniper does press discs to cover for all this it will be a major
customer service step that goes beyond his responsibility.
Hopefully Wolfguttss can get it together and get the records
out. Since he hasn't responded since early March this all looks
doubtful.
can't figure out how to format this the way I typed it in
will probably shift upon posting
This guy fucked us all over. Im pressing it myself and will sell it for the wholesale price to anyone who emails me their old paypal transaction when it's released. I offered to do the same fir wounded lion.
James, you're a nice guy. Stop defending this. There's no excuse for it.
I can't remember has anyone gotten any 3 way splits yet?
this is our generation's woodstock.This thread is our Vietnam.
I can't wait for Altamont!
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Mine actually came today. No shit.
THE EAGLE HAS LANDED
Well I still haven't received anything.
same story here
And packages haven't been going out in any set order really. Buyitsellit has stuff saved to where I know who gets the preorder colors and all that, but I've been trying to just mail out chunks in spurts.
YEA BITCH
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I really apologize for letting my depression get the best of me
Welcome to the 21st century. I'm sorry, but it wasn't really my fault, as you can tell by the way I disingenuously drop a shameless reference to my "depression" into my fake apology for being lazy and indifferent.
That's your opinion. I respect your ability to make ASSUMPTIONS. I really left it that way for everyone in a sense, which again is my fault, but it feels good to be out of a rut and following through. But keep slinging shit, it doesn't phase me.
Exactly the response one expects from someone who would've written the post I was replying to. Are you a thirteen year old girl?
I didn't say it was an "excuse", it merely played a role in my falling off the face of the Earth. Like I said you are entitled to your opinion, which I'm sure isn't news to you Mr. 2000+ posts.
And every copy ordered is being sent out... already sent a ton of them, so yes it applies to all orders.
And Hospital, Troubleman, Release the Bats, Volcanic Tongue are just a few of the many distros that have these already or will soon. I sent 5-10 extra to most of them so they should definitely have a bunch in stock.
I hope this thread makes it to page 100.
I am sure it easily will, sounds like dude's maybe got 1/4 out, so we should make it well over 100+. Can't think of a more infamous record in quite some time.
I think that all sounds really silly. And I've got way more than 1/4 shipped out. I think 10% of people who ordered live on message boards, but maybe I'm wrong. Just sent another 30 out today.
Can i get some copies of that RNR / Suicide File 7"?
Write This Blessing, This Curse. He's got about 95% of the pressing he "supposedly couldn't sell".
Never said I was doing a good job, but at least it's getting done.
paypalled $16.00 on dec. 16th '08.
have'nt seen a fuckin' thing.
i'm 80 miles away.
I'm from the East Coast.
And Mr. 80 Miles Away, send me a message at downintheground619@gmail.com with the email you used to order.
Music Trader and that skate shop on El Cajon at Florida both had copies.
Who have I been a prick to? Oh yeah, anyone responding with absurd statements like how I should off myself for fucking up a record preorder.
At the end of the day, this has happened to dozens of labels for similar or different reasons and it all comes down to weather or not the person rights his wrongs by getting on track, finishing the job he started and trys his best to make up for not doing a good job by throwing in extras. I just sent three distro orders of 20 copies each, and threw in 20 extra to make up for the wait. The positive response Ive recieved from people who actually ordered the record has been overwhelming.
So yeah I defend myself, because I think a lot of people use the privacy of the internet to be judgemental, annoying pricks.
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I have been slow, yeah. But stuff has been going out left and right.
I didn't purposely alienate myself from my peers. I literally wanted to just give up entirely and snapped out of it and am doing my best to make it right. If you don't want to listen to my band or read the bulletins we post, don't. I don't think DITG and my band are related really, or worth mentioning in the same sentence, but I understand if you want to be mad at people NOT involved in this because you are mad at me. Reyna or any of the people I play with haven't done anything wrong, and why should she be insulted for posting a bulletin about a release? I don't get how these things are related.
I get money, I spend it shipping records. Then I sit and wait for the next check or money I can hustle up to come in so I can send more. Very far from rich right now, and I think everyone here needs to just sit back and chill while I get this done. Please.
And in response to a drug habit... no, I've been clean for the most part since May 2008.
When I did a label in 2003, my personal business concerning me and a room mate became the subject of a lot of message board scrutiny. It led to tough guy hardcore assholes going into my apartment when I wasn't there and taking a good 2/3rd's of my record collection, a bass guitar and whatever else they wanted. Those same dudes buddied up with the guy coreleasing the 7" we pressed and when I sent him 90% of the press so he could distribute it I never heard another word. 1300 bucks in pressing costs down the drain, and everyone thought he did something necessary to "teach me a lesson". I'm pretty much over the internets judgments of any aspect of my life since I've met just about none of you. People have fucked me over in this "tight knit punk rock community" a ton and it's never been my intention to do the same to anyone. Everyone will get their releases.
The Wounded Lion singles get in this week. Those will start going out asap.
Like I said, I'm sorry for being a douche, poser, trend hopper, whatever.
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The Blink Dog is the natural enemy of the Displacer Beast. They have their own language, a mixture of barks, yaps, whines, and growls that can transmit complex information. Blink dogs will not harm humans (except those who are considered evil) and avoid hunting near human habitations.
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Displacer Beasts are fierce and vicious, and hate all other creatures. These sentient, magical cats often kill purely for pleasure, though they never fight among themselves. This beast uses a magical displacement ability, a form of illusion which causes it to appear to be a few feet away from where it actually is. The displacer beast is the natural enemy of the Blink Dog.
This thread got boring once people started actually getting their records.
well I still havent got mine yet.
still nothing.....
know what you are talking about...
yep....
10 months and still nothing, just thought I'd point that out
Me too. Paypal sent 12/16/2008.
well Im still waiting
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might i interest you in 40 packets of cocaine?
Still havent got anything
still waiting
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more fodder
http://partybeachwinter.blogspot.com/2009/08/blessure-grave_08.html
pot calling the kettle black..........
7. So which labels are you currently working with? How has the drama of the past few months changed things, beyond the Hollow Tongues thing (was it Troubleman that record was supposed to come out on?)?
Toby - Yeah Troubleman was supposed to do the Hollow Tongues record but he backed out. I understand why but he came at me telling me my intentions and what kind of person I am and I've never met that guy so it's for the best. Most people we talk with told us to stay away from TMU to begin with but I really like that label and think he puts out a few great records every year that always make my top ten list (if I even had one). I don't really want to talk about what labels we're doing stuff with. I can say that no, we haven't burned our bridges all around and a lot of people know were getting back on track and that this will go away. We've already mended some friendships that were broken as a result of this so we're just gonna keep on moving forward.
still waiting... Hope to see a Blessure Grave concert one day.
I just got mine today.
I dont understand why anybody wants to book or release Tobys records.
toby seems like a good enough dude in real life
???
I heard hitler was also a solid dude IRL.
Some kid who put out a Blank Dogs record just got compared to Hitler.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yizpWta-5Uw
Hitler didn't spend all his money on McDonalds
I can't understand why some people got the records they ordered (one guy even wrote that he got a double order by mistake) and others like myself haven't????
I don't know either, but I can tell you this: I'm very concerned.
its plain simple; He is a thief
just when you thought it couldn't get any better... toby chan strikes again!
http://gretschpages.com/forum/garage-sale/gretsch-white-penguin-for-cheap/36149/page1/
Just coming here to post same. Hopefully this guy has made live shows and touring effectively impossible for himself.
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?2074306-F-T-Vintage-New-Fenders-amp-Orange-Amps
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?2070517-1963-FENDER-JAZZMASTER-REFINISH
All I do is package and send out records every day.
OK, I've waited long enough. I really want my records or at the very least my money back.
Er, I'm actually meaning to josh the scumstatters....not so much you!
You're digging shit up from page 9 of this thread as if it has any context now?
Yeah, I booked his new band at The Hub. We're having a show, not a panel discussion on how to run a record label. His band is co-touring with Dangerous Boys Club, which is a must-see for me based on how their record sounds, and the ex-members-of connections. These bands have adoring fans that are unaware and unconcerned about all of this. Compared to punishing one person on this tour, I'd rather keep those paying fans pleased and The Hub breaking even, or closer to breaking even. The reasons to book the show outweighed reasons not to book it. I'm also into keeping The Hub off the radar of police, so peace will be enforced if some TermBro comes to collect. Print a Paypal receipt and calmly ask for a refund. If it escalates, you'll be the third person I've ever bounced outta here. I booked this show on my own terms based on the principle of for-the-greater-good.
WHY DON'T YOU JUST GO BOOK ADOLF HITLER(http://badexample.mu.nu/archives/hitler%20cat.jpg)
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This is fucking bonkers.
Enough. I am writing Maximum Rocknroll.
I opened SFIST to waste some time and saw this at the very top.
Had to laugh (and share)
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http://sfist.com/2011/03/11/sfist_tonight_1140.php
What the hell is that kid addicted to, twinkies?
DUDE'S BUILT LIKE DAN AKROYD, 1996.
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http://blessuregrave.blogspot.com/2011/01/unreleased-excerpts-from-reyna-kay.html
If this has been posted before then I apologise but I just came across this. The response is utterly priceless.
NEVER FORGET THE THINGS WE LEARNED "IN HERE"
the thread that keeps on giving!
Hello,
I'm a longtime lurker that also happens to be a huge fan of Toby Chan/Francis/Grave's (non-musical) exploits. I just thought I'd take the time to share this extremely useful online resource; his Livejournal account from the early 2000s. Gated reverb "death rock" sounding drumroll please...........
http://novemberthird.livejournal.com/
Think of it like the flashback scenes in The Godfather Part 2. It doesn't really fit with the main narrative and most of the cast is unfamiliar, but you really come to understand the origins of the protagonist:
"When I moved to NYC, I had a size 38 waist, wore size large shirts and hated my life. Four months later, I have a size 32 waist, wear size youth large/small shirts and love my life. To everyone that called me fat, doubted me and told me I sucked: eat my fucking shit."
Curious as to where Toby got all of those fancy scam ready guitars in the first place? Well wonder no longer:
"My mom gets here Sunday. I want to convince her to buy me a guitar, since she just bought herself a $2000 laptop. I've narrowed it down to three guitars...
Rickenbacker 381v69. This is a lot like the 330, but it has a checked binding and different pickups. It's a lot more expensive too, but that doesn't necessary mean its better.
Rickenbacker 330. A classic. Every band that's good uses one. I like the sound of my 620, but I've wanted a semi-hollow Rick for ages. I keep going back and forth between the 381 and the 330, and I think I'm veering towards the 330, just because it's a classic.
Fender Jazzmaster. I think this is one of my favorite Fenders, next to the Mustang, but I just dont know if its right for me.
None of the instruments are vintage. They would be purchased at a lame place like Sam Ash. Sucks, I know, but I gotta go with what I can talk my ma' into. Guitar's tentative name: Sugarbee 01."
And how about this rare slab of prescience:
"My name is Toby. I am in love. I snort coke alone. I'm (in)famous. I start a new band each day with the same person and they usually sound better than your shitty group that's been around for years and still sounds like Thursday. I'm hated by most and loved by few, and those who love me will hate me in a week or two."
Did anyone actually think this Blank Dogs thread was winding down? Clearly this is only the beginning.
-Silk Stalkings
This thread has gotten bigger than Blank Dogs at this point.
Silk stalkings; best new poster.
THESE WILL SHIP SEPERATELY FROM THE OTHER RECORDS.
TWO GREAT BD SONGS. 700 COPIES. 100 YELLOW (PREORDER ONLY), 200 CLEAR BLUE AND 400 ON BLACK. ORDERING INFO ON THE PAGE.
ALSO PUT UP A SECTION FOR USED/SECOND HAND STUFF.
HTTP://DOWNINTHEGROUND.MYBISI.COM (http://HTTP://DOWNINTHEGROUND.MYBISI.COM)
HTTP://WWW.DOWNINTHEGROUND.COM (http://HTTP://WWW.DOWNINTHEGROUND.COM)
WOUNDED LION AND TEENAGE PANZERKORPS 7"s OUT IN FEBRUARY.
silk stalkings = toby chan
Silk Stalkings has got to be a disgruntled ex. In this case, I approve.
Figuring out wholesale prices now. I'm actually gonna be able to do it cheaper than I thought.New York Times, May 15Th:
silk stalkings = toby chan
Quite the opposite really: Not a drug user. Never ripped anyone off. Stopped being goth in 1994. And perhaps most importantly, I used to be skinny when I was young then gained a little weight in old age.
As a piece offering here's an oldie but a goodie from early 2011 that never got mentioned here:
http://www.ilovefuzz.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=14867
By the way this is Elwood Francis, "god of guitar techs" whose client's include Z.Z. Top, Steve Vai, and Aerosmith. Even the family wants nothing to do with the guy. Truly sad since most death row inmates still have mother's that think they're innocent.
Yikes, stealing Telefunken mics*? With that addition, the guy has probably stolen and scammed people out of the amount of a moderately priced HOUSE. Probably into six figures. He's gotta be one of thee biggest "punk-associated" criminals of all time.
So if you arent toby or some jilted ex whats your investment in this scumbag? Dont get me wrong your contributions breathed new life into this thread but whats the deal?
what i dont understand how this kid still has use of his legs. If this sociopath has legendarily fucked everyone over how is he still getting away with it?
Aside from the guitars and the bd 7 (even though thats enough) what other shit has this guy pulled?
Their facebook page is usually good for a laugh too:
http://www.facebook.com/softkilled
why doesn't this gut just refund everybody, me in particular. then we all could just sweep this under the rug
Has this been addressed before?
Big TC started this thread, looks like his account's still active (still blue). Thus, can't he delete the thread?
Although I suspect one SSR may have used his powers for good this time and made that impossible.
Or, Mr. "Graves" has such a hard-on for his own superscum behavior, that he leaves it up (much like his Livejournal account), in a very public act of self-flagellation.
So, basically, Based Goth Guy #37 is jerking off right now while reading this.
While wearing Sambas. (the goth-est of all soccer footgear)
Read the thread.
theres people like this in every online community, i am active in arcade collecting circles and there is a guy who claimed to be producing brand new star wars cockpit games complete for big $$$, took thousands of dollars in preorders and he is still walking around unscathed years later. here is a link to people who were scammed on just one message board:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0An_RLk7EK5WtdFVhbnJBMDBCbzBoamlQZldvRTQwYXc&hl=en&authkey=CPDFuqsL#gid=0
i blame it on enablers like dj prick.
Big TC started this thread, looks like his account's still active (still blue). Thus, can't he delete the thread?
Although I suspect one SSR may have used his powers for good this time and made that impossible.
Big TC started this thread, looks like his account's still active (still blue). Thus, can't he delete the thread?
Although I suspect one SSR may have used his powers for good this time and made that impossible.
The only way to keep him from deleting the thread before he deletes is account himself is to deactivate his account or to ban him. When this thing started to get really really great and we knew we had a classic thread, Richie & I decided to ban him before he deleted the thread. We learned our lesson from the first Plastic Bag Baby meltdown, in which he deleted his meltdown thread. (We also did a preventative attack on PBB, to preserve his last (and classic) meltdown.)
We are dedicated to looking out for your entertainment needs.
I ordered every color of each record he released,
As a piece offering here's an oldie but a goodie from early 2011 that never got mentioned here:
http://www.ilovefuzz.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=14867
Termbo's Devil Dogs era was far worthier than its Blank Dogs era.
Hipster Grifter: Part IIA new wave of record collectors becomes aware that its way too late to file a paypal claim for the "limited ed. soft kill lp"
Actually, Toby caught a beat down outside Bruar Falls when he was in the city.
i agree lots of soft heads in this thread straight up
I remember a time when people like this Toby fella would have been kneecapped ASAP for pulling these shenanigans. Either this dude is insanely lucky/elusive, or people have become pacified.
Hi,
are copies of this single still available? thnks
Their facebook page is usually good for a laugh too:
http://www.facebook.com/softkilled
Already two posts from last week about "delays" in shipping.
Oh no, he's got a kid! Word of advice: keep an eye on your Legos.
I remember a time when people like this Toby fella would have been kneecapped ASAP for pulling these shenanigans. Either this dude is insanely lucky/elusive, or people have become pacified.
But he did get roughed up when he pulled the same shit with a mediocre hardcore record. Dude's just clever/fortunate enough to have moved on to a more docile scene. Who'd be scared of a disgruntled Blank Dogs fan?
I bet it`s not his kid.Oh no, he's got a kid! Word of advice: keep an eye on your Legos.
Jesus, don't envy that kid a bit.
Pretty sure he caught a recent beating at the hands of some Cold Cave friends
Forgive me if I missed this in the previous 122 pages, but what was the beef with Cold Cave anyways?
I think they were part of the split 7" he "released"?
Forgive me if I missed this in the previous 122 pages, but what was the beef with Cold Cave anyways?
"SOFT KILLTheir facebook page is usually good for a laugh too:
http://www.facebook.com/softkilled
Already two posts from last week about "delays" in shipping.
I love how they post every other day about all of packages they are shipping out (and pictures of said packages sitting in the car). Why not just tell the people who actually ordered the stuff that their item has shipped.. oh wait.
Oh God, here it goes again.
http://purestench.freeforums.org/nepenthe-t557.html
Sadly this isn't even the new scam that I was aware of...stay tuned on that.
I don't understand why he can't just send these stupid things out. A shitty noise tape is pretty much 80% profit. If he actually takes the time to NOT fuck the buyer over, then he could sell more product in the long run. They're essentially mortgaging future returns in favor of a slight short term gain. Maybe someone should explain the basic principals of market capitalism to him?
Can someone please help me understand this motherfucker?? That's all I want at this point. It's why I started posting here. Words like "sociopath" get thrown around but it has to be more than that. A severe anti-social disorder + bi-polar disorder + criminal psychotic tendencies + post-fatass subway jared angst + garden variety idiocy + drug addiction + some mystery ingredient that we haven't discovered yet like Dark Matter, only more Goth.
extreme metal community.
Termbo's Devil Dogs era was far worthier than its Blank Dogs era.
But yeah, pass me whatever you are smoking if you think the Feds are gonna get involved in this...
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Termbo's Devil Dogs era was far worthier than its Blank Dogs era.
But yeah, pass me whatever you are smoking if you think the Feds are gonna get involved in this...
The feds got involved when Josh from Autofact did basically the same thing Chan has done/is doing. They even called me at work since they had gotten a tip that I knew of his whereabouts.
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I stand corrected although it seems that this Josh did it all on one label instead of various scams that are spread out. Autofact put out Earth so I imagine those guys have some legal muscle. Dudes on the Purestench forum? Not so much...
I think it may have been the computer fraud that brought him down
I like how the U.S. Marshalls have noted that he frequents Gay Bars and Gay forums.Termbo's Devil Dogs era was far worthier than its Blank Dogs era.
But yeah, pass me whatever you are smoking if you think the Feds are gonna get involved in this...
The feds got involved when Josh from Autofact did basically the same thing Chan has done/is doing. They even called me at work since they had gotten a tip that I knew of his whereabouts.
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who do you guys think blank dogs really are/really is ?????
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payed like 10 min after i saw this, hope i get a yellow
I have 4 of these singles.Like a baseball score
I have 0 Hospitals tapes.
JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY OF THESE LEFT.... WORTH SENDING AN ORDER?? PLEASE LET ME KNOW THNX!!!
why doesn't this gut just refund everybody, me in particular. then we all could just sweep this under the rugwhy dont this guy just go kill himself/................................
i just got 100 copies of this record delivered and i didn't even order it???send to leo fenders grave as flowers for all the stolen shit this cat pounced on w/
Boo Ya!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2131181835/soft-kill-album-number-two-recording-project
Is this Tobias guy legit? I just gave him my bank details as he had a large sum of money he needed to deposit in my bank account.
toby chan is still a clown.
Someone should publish this thread as a coffee table book.
Love that this is still going on. I was just talking to a friend last night who made me feel like an idiot for not selling my Blank Dogs records when they were fetching ridiculous prices.
6
Backers
$249
pledged of $5,000 goal
40
days to go
Shiloe Alia and Tobias Grave live in San Luis Obispo, CA and Portland, OR. They devote all of their time to animal rescue and raising Eden Grace.
So glad I don't "collect" records.
Well, not on the level of being so obsessed I'd want to kill someone over a record. It can't be the measly few bucks or the principalities involved.So glad I don't "collect" records.
Why?
Which principalities are involved? Lichtenstein? Vatican City? Monaco?the HOLY SEE
Well, not on the level of being so obsessed I'd want to kill someone over a record. It can't be the measly few bucks or the principalities involved.So glad I don't "collect" records.
Why?
Well, not on the level of being so obsessed I'd want to kill someone over a record. It can't be the measly few bucks or the principalities involved.So glad I don't "collect" records.
Why?
I'm a record collector, but I couldn't care less about hype-driven internet-era novelty releases like this. Seems like something very few serious record collectors I know would even be aware of.
what is funny about this thread
I got you Rick.
8
Backers
$279
pledged of $5,000 goal
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2131181835/soft-kill-album-number-two-recording-project
Back in May, the Muscular Dystrophy Association (MDA), with the blessing of Lewis, announced that Lewis would retire from hosting the annual MDA Labor Day Telethon and appear a final time in 2011 to sing his signature song You'll Never Walk Alone.
"As a labor of love, I've hosted the annual Telethon since 1966, and I'll be making my final appearance on the show this year," said Lewis in the press release.
Then, in August, the MDA abruptly issued a two-paragraph press release announcing that Lewis will not appear at the 2011 program. This time, the statement had no quotes from him.
i forgot i even ordered this
any idea on when they ship?
This is the Israel of threads.
I dunno. I think the people who paid for this have the most to be embarrassed about.
I dunno. I think the people who paid for this have the most to be embarrassed about.
The worst part is i'm about to bid on this and I have already dished out $24.
I dunno. I think the people who paid for this have the most to be embarrassed about.
The worst part is i'm about to bid on this and I have already dished out $24.
but you will be bidding on a piece of history.
hope I gots me a yellow(http://maricbooks.com/CalvinCrossOpt.gif)
All I do is package and send out records every day.
bail is set at just $1000?
looks like san luis obosbo had him extradited from portland.
All I do is toss salads and get trains run on me every day.
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Forgot about this great picture from TTT. Could this comp be made now? "In Here" is obviously track one.
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Forgot about this great picture from TTT. Could this comp be made now? "In Here" is obviously track one.
...i've got at least one track from the ill-fated scotch tapes singles club on my computer, i think
http://blessuregraveband.bandcamp.com/track/water
New Blessure Grave song. The band is active and touring.
I havent checked this thread for month:
It certainly is the thread that keeps on giving!
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Forgot about this great picture from TTT. Could this comp be made now? "In Here" is obviously track one.
...i've got at least one track from the ill-fated scotch tapes singles club on my computer, i think
Must have a couple tracks from the "lost" Canadian Der TPK tape as well.
http://blessuregraveband.bandcamp.com/track/water
New Blessure Grave song. The band is active and touring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmblzXfXi1E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmblzXfXi1E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmblzXfXi1E
FUUUUUUUUUUUCK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmblzXfXi1E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmblzXfXi1E
Blessure Grave are playing in Columbus tonight.
I still support the idea of just jacking the beats to "Valley of the Jeep Beats"-level on a "greatest hits remixed" sorta record. It's gotta include...
The Threes
Outside Alarmer
Meltdown Cloud
My House is Red
Yellow Mice Sleep
The Crystal Ladies
Leaving the Light On
Setting Fire to Your House
"Toby Chan Goes to Prison" coloring book
Saw this record on the wall at Amoeba Berkeley about a week ago
$10 I think.Saw this record on the wall at Amoeba Berkeley about a week ago
How much?
His band Soft Kill is playing in Sacto next month. Bail paid by preorder?
I'm sure he made his goal, too.
His band Soft Kill is playing in Sacto next month. Bail paid by preorder?
He totally probably tried to start a kickstarter fund to get out of the slammer.
I'm sure he made his goal, too.
His band Soft Kill is playing in Sacto next month. Bail paid by preorder?
He totally probably tried to start a kickstarter fund to get out of the slammer.
Good point.
And I have a job and go to school. I don't need to go into the specifics of my finances but one paycheck could not send out every record... not even close.
Soft Kill just put out a new 7" on Handmade Birds.
I'm amazed that after everything that went down people are still willing to deal with the guy, release his music, book shows, etc. the 7" is $12 by the way... $12 fucking dollars, for a 7".
Somebody really needs to start a Kickstarter to fund the BLANK DOGS "IN HERE" 7" PREORDER coffee table book mentioned a few pages back in this thread. Then once the goal is met - shouldn't take more than a few hours - put the book up for preorders in this thread. After that, well, you get the picture...The title can be KEEP HOPE ALIVE
Somebody really needs to start a Kickstarter to fund the BLANK DOGS "IN HERE" 7" PREORDER coffee table book mentioned a few pages back in this thread. Then once the goal is met - shouldn't take more than a few hours - put the book up for preorders in this thread. After that, well, you get the picture...The title can be KEEP HOPE ALIVE
Pink Reason was asked to open for Soft Kill when they came through Columbus a few months back. People were very stoked about the show. How do so many people know about his band here, but nobody here seemed to know he was a grifter?
did pink reason open up for him then?
Fuck these are already going fast.
when thesmoke clears, things will be pretty smooth and people on both sides will be ultra apologetic.
doubt it.
I got you Rick.
LEAVE DITG ALONE!!! HE'S A GOOD MAN! A GOOD MAN I TELL YOU!LEAVE THE MAN ALONE! HE IS A GOOD MAN. A GOOD MAN I TELL YOU!
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http://hellopoetry.com/tobias-graves/ (http://hellopoetry.com/tobias-graves/)
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paid for in part by Marc DeMario
that same guy judging me for only buying THEY PELTED US WITH ROCKS, saying "is this a political record? we have some punk records"
the blankest of dogs who released mac demarco on an unsuspecting worldThe demos discs are the way to go. Recorded straight into Talkboy, the Poochie of indie rawk don't give a fuggg.
He's like the fucking raffi of "American indie rock"?He's nowhere near THAT good. Let's be reasonable.
I srsly hate captured tracks. That shit is so lame and conservative. All the kids I know that like them are like really "multicultural" and "considerate" and wear stupid sunglasses all the time but are the most reserved people ever. It's like licking old pizza and trying to get a wet genital. Blank Dogs were cool for a bit until Sniper found out he wanted to own every record ever - even kult shit - and eat bad sushi in dark restaurants and be a "STAR" with an office.
This is why black metal from Australia is so much more important. And early Madonna.
Just a troll. And a very unfunny one.
Just a troll. And a very unfunny one.
Hmmm, not sure. I think this might be the insidious new face of Scion-style market penetration; some kind of computer-generated amalgam of every stale 2016 cliche possible designed to engender auto millennial cred for whatever bogus horseshit they want to push next. Wonder what it will start hyping once the cutting edges bona fides are perceived as having deployed successfully?
Just a troll. And a very unfunny one.
Hmmm, not sure. I think this might be the insidious new face of Scion-style market penetration; some kind of computer-generated amalgam of every stale 2016 cliche possible designed to engender auto millennial cred for whatever bogus horseshit they want to push next. Wonder what it will start hyping once the cutting edges bona fides are perceived as having deployed successfully?
WHAT MY CLICHES? I HAVE NONE.
I just actually like music and discussing it. A lot.
And Captured Tracks sucks and it's nothing personL against sniper cuz I don't actually know him but his label is like actually the worst label ever. There's nothing there
Also Blessure Grave sucks too and I am surprised Matthias put out his shit
WHAT MY CLICHES? I HAVE NONE.
I just actually like music and discussing it. A lot.
WHAT MY CLICHES? I HAVE NONE.
I just actually like music and discussing it. A lot.
Yeah, like Australian black metal, and Gucci Mane mixtapes, and the private press LPs you apparently believe Alice Coltrane to be releasing a decade past her death, and you deliver these opinions in bogus text-teen lingo. Accepting that you are a real, organic thing would be too depressing, so I'll just go with the likeliest real explanation: you're a bundle of socks, 2016 style, given cyber life by a team of overworked Koreans fed a steady diet of Pitchfork thinkpieces and Vice mag comment sections.
WHAT MY CLICHES? I HAVE NONE.
I just actually like music and discussing it. A lot.
Yeah, like Australian black metal, and Gucci Mane mixtapes, and the private press LPs you apparently believe Alice Coltrane to be releasing a decade past her death, and you deliver these opinions in bogus text-teen lingo. Accepting that you are a real, organic thing would be too depressing, so I'll just go with the likeliest real explanation: you're a bundle of socks, 2016 style, given cyber life by a team of overworked Koreans fed a steady diet of Pitchfork thinkpieces and Vice mag comment sections.
U r a poser. https://www.discogs.com/Alice-Coltrane-Turiyasangitananda-Divine-Songs/release/5121242
It has pasted-on covers. Recent SIDE.
Whatever, my style is so not p4k or vice.
Basically you're totally wrong and getting worked on because u are a bundle of socks.
Just get over it, bb.
And Captured Tracks sucks and it's nothing personL against sniper cuz I don't actually know him but his label is like actually the worst label ever. There's nothing there
And Captured Tracks sucks and it's nothing personL against sniper cuz I don't actually know him but his label is like actually the worst label ever. There's nothing there
That EZTV record he put out last year was kind of sick, though.
And Captured Tracks sucks and it's nothing personL against sniper cuz I don't actually know him but his label is like actually the worst label ever. There's nothing there
That EZTV record he put out last year was kind of sick, though.
Ask David Keenan.
Is it possible to like Black Metal and NOT be a total tryhard?
Mac demarco is what Adorno warned ov100% true. He was critical about every modern artist since, lets say, Blind Blake.
What he needs to realise is that there is a core of Termbo users who've been here for many years, know each other and reflect each others opinions and tastes, and regard this forum as their own personal Feifdom, rendering much discussion here a Closed Circle Jerk.
What he needs to realise is that there is a core of Termbo users who've been here for many years, know each other and reflect each others opinions and tastes, and regard this forum as their own personal Feifdom, rendering much discussion here a Closed Circle Jerk.
What he needs to realise is that there is a core of Termbo users who've been here for many years, know each other and reflect each others opinions and tastes, and regard this forum as their own personal Feifdom, rendering much discussion here a Closed Circle Jerk.
Kinda true, I'll admit.
Demarco : Adorno
Raffi : Foucault
Back me up Investigate.
Here's a stupid story
I feel like this thread might have just been an 8 year long setup to that punchline now.Here's a stupid story
I beg to differ. This is the stuff dreams are made of.
This record might not be valuable, but in a just world you could sell that story for $150, easy.
Here's a stupid story I haven't told on here...My band at the time was looking for a drummer (late 2008 or early 2009?) and this guy we kind of knew (must have been roommates with this Toby guy) said that he wanted to try playing drums with us. So, we went to this warehouse that he lived at, it must have been in Highland Park, Ca. After we arrived we were drinking beers and getting fucked up. I noticed a big stack of this records sitting on a table and asked him what it was, and it was this stupid ass Blank Dogs 7''. He told me that his roommate put it out and gave each of us like 3 or 4 copies.
I feel like this thread might have just been an 8 year long setup to that punchline now.The Aristocrats!
I'm going to print it all out and release it as a zine next RSD. Maybe I can get Captured Tracks to distro it.
I'm going to print it all out and release it as a zine next RSD. Maybe I can get Captured Tracks to distro it.
I'm so sick of ZSD
I'm so sick of ZSD
Ever since it was taken over by Big Zine...
Luddite Bowling sounds like a good read. Much like Shoney's is some good eats.
Polling the room: what was the best CT release? What was the absolute worst? I'm mostly ignorant to the label.My favorites have been Soft Moon, Naomi Punk and EZTV. This is not considering reissues of course.
All sucks mostlyDefinitely maybe.
For whatever it is worth I have seen Jason reach for the gong on a record of a band by a friend of mine. It was a great, hilarious moment.Polling the room: what was the best CT release? What was the absolute worst? I'm mostly ignorant to the label.My favorites have been Soft Moon, Naomi Punk and EZTV. This is not considering reissues of course.
Worst: I don't know...working in a record store, I've heard A LOT over the years, and none of it has made me rush for the gong but there are certainly many sort of anonymous NYC Beach/Nothing sort of bands. They've put out a lot of music, so....like it or not, they've come to define a kind of sound/era like late 80s SST or something.
For whatever it is worth I have seen Jason reach for the gong on a record of a band by a friend of mine. It was a great, hilarious moment.haha...can't remember what that was...well, don't feel too bad, I gong friends of mine on a near-daily basis seemingly.
Fuck these are already going fast.
Got my copy today!
Demarco is worst for reasons stated above.For whatever it is worth I have seen Jason reach for the gong on a record of a band by a friend of mine. It was a great, hilarious moment.haha...can't remember what that was...well, don't feel too bad, I gong friends of mine on a near-daily basis seemingly.
Everyone here has equal veto power, so if an album ever gets played through all the way it's a minor miracle.
Was hoping more people would chime in on "worst CT releases"...worst of lists are always better/funnier than boring best ofs. Or I think so at least.
I like the B Boys record they recently put out also.
Worst CT releases: anything by The Beets
That Dead Luke reworking of Jumpin' Jack Flash is good enough that I don't mind that the rest of the CT's output is pablum.
That Dead Luke reworking of Jumpin' Jack Flash is good enough that I don't mind that the rest of the CT's output is pablum.
Isn't that sacred bones. Where did like go after Wisconsin? I heard Cali.
Chapter 7 bankruptcy proceedings for Premier Cru began on January 27, per Contra Costa Times, after the company claimed $7 million in assets and $70 million in debt...
Premier Cru frequently sold wines on a "pre-arrival" basis, meaning its store was not in possession of certain bottles, so shipping was not always immediate. Customers sometimes complained about long waits in obtaining pre-paid wines, and those delays could reportedly stretch into years. As recently as last fall, customers filed lawsuits against the vendor, alleging that fraud and misrepresentation had taken place, suggesting that Premier Cru had not met obligations of sale in late shipments of purchased wine.
Three months after Wong filed suit, Lawrence Wai-Man Hui, a Hong Kong collector, filed his own complaint against Premier Cru in a federal court in San Francisco. Between 2011 and 2014, Hui claims, he paid more than $981,000 for 1,591 bottles of wines, mainly top-tier Bordeaux, of which ?far fewer than 100 bottles? ever arrived. Premier Cru ?has had the benefit of almost $1 million of Hui?s money while Hui has received essentially nothing in return,? reads the complaint, which accuses the retailer of fraud and misrepresentation.
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/soft-kill-choir-boy-pink-reason-hybrid-moments-tickets-42025162392
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/soft-kill-choir-boy-pink-reason-hybrid-moments-tickets-42025162392
Goddamn. Somebody make a banner "WHERE'S MY BLANK DOGS SEVEN INCH?"
that was an amazing 2 hours. The best part for me might be all the posts on the first dozen or so pages from mlady records. at least toby chan had the heart to send a few copies out. big props to toby "graves" for trying to connect himself with the best misfits vocalist, btw. i would love to go to see this guy's band for a laugh.
rich: could we have a termbo best of archive? perhaps a sub-board within worse than pop punk?
It costs pennies on discogs now and there are tons of copies of all colours for sale (I'm sure someone has already pointed out)
Glad I never spent 100$ on that 2nd eat skull 7" a week after it came out. I love it still tho but not 100$ worth
I don't think any of those were really considered rare at any point in time, and all sold pretty well/were pressed in large quantities.