Rectal Depth needs to be the name of a band. Some shitty power electronics/grind combo.
As far as the Nth time this "argument" has come up, I just wanna say this: Steve, your notion of people "tricking" themselves into liking something makes me wanna slap you 17000x in the face with a newly-soaked cum rag. It's not that people don't do it, everyone has, but this idea if it's "difficult" people do it. For instance, that last Piranhas LP is just overloaded with sick RIFFS and CHANGES and totally slays/shreds/various other descriptions you have very little real world experiences with. To me, it sounds like dudes who were listening to Henry Cow,, Gong, and other fucked=up prog and Rock in Opposition type stuff. So, it's really not far out there if you know anything about music besides, y'know, yer average rocknroll/punk/pop bullshit. Which brings me to the fact that I'm suure youj've "tricked" yerself into liking some total garbage in the, oh let's say, J-power-pop spectrum cuz you felt like you "should" like it cuz some dude from Teengenerate mentioned he liked it in some zine.
Also, I've seen Teengenerate AND Peter Brotzmann and they ain't as far from each other as you might think. Admittedly, TG was a lot more fun, but the intensity was the same.
Oh, and you are a total snob when it comes to literature, which is great and all (viva la college), but makes you a complete hypocrite when it comes to music.
You know what actually would make me a hypocrite? If I allowed myself to be browbeaten into pretending to like things just because they were in favor with a vocal majority.Vocal majority? Ha! In what bizarro world do 10 people on an esoteric music board constitute a majority of anything?
You know what actually would make me a hypocrite? If I allowed myself to be browbeaten into pretending to like things just because they were in favor with a vocal majority.Vocal majority? Ha! In what bizarro world do 10 people on an esoteric music board constitute a majority of anything?
Oh, and all I ever listen to is Japanese powerpop. All day everyday. Nothing else. Nope.
You know what actually would make me a hypocrite? If I allowed myself to be browbeaten into pretending to like things just because they were in favor with a vocal majority.Vocal majority? Ha! In what bizarro world do 10 people on an esoteric music board constitute a majority of anything?
Just within the context of here. I don't think anybody I see on a regular basis has even heard the Piranhas. Could be wrong though.
I'm not asking you to fucking like it, dude. I could care less. You are missing the point YET AGAIN. And you are an ass if you think music doesn't require, or CAN require, intellectual engagement. I don't "need" to think about the Piranhas to enjoy them, but I can if I want, and the enjoyment is not lessened by said thinking. You just want music to hit yr tiny little G spots and make everything hunky dory.
And music and literature may be different forms of art, but both are art nevertheless, and why can't they be held to the same (broad) standards? Just because you took classes to understand Russian authors doesn't mean you couldn't take classes to understand Stockhausen, Coltrane, and the Master Musicians of Joujoka. I fail to see why this isn't obvious. Please enlighten me.
Steve, this is why people get pissed: You basically are telling us that we are lying to ourselves why we enjoy something and that we are soft-headed dumbfucks fooled by fake artists and jive turkeys who spend lots of time and money playing their dastardly tricks on our desperate need to be "cool" and "different."
Well, fuck you, it ain't so.
Maybe you just feel sorry for us, but, my friend, I feel sorry for you. Your capacity for the abstract is like a 6'x6' cell. Chalk up another one.
I do think the Piranhas are jive turkeys though.
im pretty sure they played again the next year on halloween.
Music doesn't require intellectual engagement because it can be apprehended and appreciated without mental activity. You shouldn't need to think about music because once you start thinking about an aesthetic experience it snaps you out of a direct experience of the art in question and puts you in the secondary realm of analysis. Analysis is great and all, but unless it comes after the fact you aren't able to experience a state of aesthetic arrest where everything drops off save for a feeling of awe and wonder before the grand lines of nature as manifested in a work of art. Instead you're thinking "isn't this great" rather than feeling the "whatness" of the artwork in question. Literature is the only form of art that plays by a different set of rules because by its very nature you need to think about it in order to appreciate it. While there are a lot of linguistic tricks a skilled writer can play with tools like meter, word choice, landscape, etc. that can give a reader the experience of aesthetic arrest, literature remains at its most potent when it deals with the world of abstract ideas which require discourse with the intellect. Therefore I would classify literature as an intellectual form of art.
Music on the other hand is at its most potent when it appeals to emotions. Music cannot convey the types of ideas literature can unless it is in the form of lyrics (which have obvious limitations compared to a novel) because the "ideas" expressed by music are so abstract that they cannot be verbalized. Even concepts like rhythm, melody, meter, pitch, etc. fall short of describing the ideas expressed by music. Rather they describe the form music takes. Since you cannot name the ideas music expresses in concrete language I would classify music as an emotional form of art.
Knowing about what life is like for people in Niger doesn't effect how I hear Group Inerane. They sound awesome just because they do.
Piranhas ?Erotic Grit Movies? CD/LP
I don?t know if anyone else has the guts to say it, so I might as well go ahead: this is actually pretty damn disappointing. Maybe that disappointment stems from paying over twenty dollars for this in Tokyo last December, but I paid the same for the new Lost Sounds, and I think that is certifiably genius. But this? aw shucks?the worst part is this could have been one of the best albums in ages if they just fucking wrote some more actual songs for the damn thing. Tracks like ?Girls Like It Too? and ?Madeline? are up there with anything else they?ve done, but the majority of this is simply too wanky and out there for me to get into. How can half assed art jams like ?The Great Glitter Nest? suffice from the band that wrote ?Future Primitive?? Why did they have to put this shit out? I?m so confused?
Cheap Record You Should Buy Instead Of This: Fact: I could have bought the double LP set of the Who?s ?Sell Out? and ?A Quick One:? albums THREE TIMES OVER with what I paid for this CD. Which would have been sweet, cause then I could have sent one to the Piranhas and show them that when a band wants to get a little bit artsy they don?t necessarily have to abandon catchy, coherent songwriting. If you don?t already own the ?Quick One? LP and you are even considering buying the sludge fest that is the new Piranhas, you are a real fool?s fool. Not only that but you have less taste than a room full of tongue amputees. (SS)
(In The Red Records, www.intheredrecords.com)
Piranhas ?Piscis Clangor? 12? EP.........
I am now fully convinced that the Piranhas should be filed under performance art from here on. I really think you must need to see the incredible (I've been told) live show to get them now, as they've gone pretty far off the deep end musically. The intro either reminds me of the Butthole Surfers, or the backward-speak of the midget in the Black Lodge from "Twin Peaks". Music-wise you get 23 minutes of sound collage, mutant free jazz, art-rock, and just a general racket that sounds largely improvised, all with the pained howling of an animal reciting free verse over it. Difficult listening with occassional flashes of brilliance (though far fewer than on previous records) that still don't permit me to get through half of the record without getting pissed. Maybe that's the point: music to piss people off? Either way, I lost them after "Dictating Machine Service", and I've actually given them some listening effort. I've tried, and I'm not ashamed to say I don't get it, and don't really want to now. I just can't see any reason to listen to this more than once.You should know if this band is for you anymore. (RK)
Insight trivet gangplow varia
Resuit valetudinarian export brush toe
Remonstrate preterminal villager slice oboe
Fortuity enthuse boathouse headlong lockjaw.
I just wrote that first stanza
Just now, no practice
By consulting random words that
Looked enthralling in
The 1970 paperback edition of
The Merriam-Webster Dictionary
I am T((((a))))lented
It reads like the lyric sheet
To this E.P.
Which sounds like the second album
Which I liked for a couple months
Before I realized that
HEY!
I enjoyed this band much more
When they played it straight
And weren?t hell-bent on playing
The
W! E! I! R! D!
Card
Reminds me of
ALLY SHEEDY
In the Bkfst Clb
She looked cute
When she wore that
Popular chick?s make-up!
Have you seen
MOLLY RINGWALD
These days?
Hotttttttttttttt----.
But anyways
Like the second alb
This contains no real songs
Just (mostly) nonsensical
Snippets
(Snip)
of mish-mashed bygone art-punk
That have nothing to do
With one another
And the lyric sheet
Reads like dumbshit
W! E! I! R! D!
poetry
And poetry is for assholes
And art is for poets
And when is this band going
To revert back to that cool
Black Flag w/ keyboards thing
They had goin??
I will now eat
Cott------age Cheeeeeeeez. (EL)
I just invented the "cut and paste" technique for use in Microsoft Word. Tip o' the needle don't have the last name Soriano, course. I honestly am not sure if this band is over all our eyes, but explain precisely WHY you like for some reason I continue to listen. Mostly because they have PARTS and PIECES, they were before the break-up. to Mr. Burroughs, of Shit, it's and partially because kinda weird that this is on In the Red, as it doesn't really hit longer than a few seconds, so many cool sounding so fucking amazing pulling the wool so maybe Larry knows the any sorta groove for answer? If you can this, and please send me an email. (TK)
(In the Red Records // www.intheredrecords.com)
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- Steve puttin' a-hurtin' on this thread
Fact is people come to music, lit, art from so many different places including cultural background, parenting, psych quirks, physical differences, education, etc. that there are no hard fast rules about how people perceive or understand things, beyond basic science and even those rules can be compromised. As important is the understanding that life is not static and there for one's interaction with art is not fixed.
I still think Piscis Clangor sucks.
I'd like to interrupt this thread and encourage everyone to buy a copy of the Druid Perfume LP!Does the band have any? I've been waiting to pick one up from them on New Years Eve.(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2156/2967302339_4140700992_m.jpg)
Okay, back to the messageboard intellectualizing.
I'd like to interrupt this thread and encourage everyone to buy a copy of the Druid Perfume LP!(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2156/2967302339_4140700992_m.jpg)
Okay, back to the messageboard intellectualizing.
Does the band have any? I've been waiting to pick one up from them on New Years Eve.
I wasted like an hour and half today trying to upload a Piranhas live set to just to post it in this thread, only to find out the file was too big for Mediafire.
Knowing about what life is like for people in Niger doesn't effect how I hear Group Inerane. They sound awesome just because they do.
Knowing about what life is like for people in Niger doesn't effect how I hear Group Inerane. They sound awesome just because they do.
Whoa, I just caught this finally. I know we've had the whole band geography debate so many times, but...
"Because they sound awesome" is certainly a good enough reason to like Group Inerane. But, do you really know how much life SUCKS in Niger? Probably no one in North America does...not even the northernmost Inuits in Nunavut do. And when's the last time you heard a rad band from even mainland Nunavut? I heard some field recordings the other day from Darfur (somewhere we all know is sucky thanks to bumper stickers and t-shirts worn by celebrities) on some radio documentary, and although it sounded fairly "generic" as far as African folk traditions go, it was pretty magical to hear how the chants ended in laughter. When it comes to places as ravaged as most African nations--where the only scenes we ever see are ribcages, oozing sores, dozens of flies per pair of lips, etc.--it is truly a miracle of the human fucking spirit to wanna do anything besides sulk or curl up and die, let alone form a totally rad band that made an incredible album.
human fucking spirit
erick hughes and his silly gism
shes a witch
Come back Steve!
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attaching a level of meaning to this thing far greater than it deserves.
WWPBBD
What Would Plastic Bag Baby Do?
All listen and no wonder makes Steve Spock a joyless music consumer.
I still think Piscis Clangor sucks.
erick hughes and his silly gism
shes a witch
What the hell does this mean? I'mma fuck you up tomorrow.
WWPBBD
What Would Plastic Bag Baby Do?
Cry and call me a butthugger or something like that.
WWPBBD
What Would Plastic Bag Baby Do?
Cry and call me a butthugger or something like that.
No no, it was "bumboy".
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
ericks a dude
steves a dude
erick is steve
rick, please feel free
collin, whered you get that picture? i could swear i know the dude in the middle.
steve, i think you might find some guidance here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvZSdCTcS-A
And "Piscis Clanger" still sucks. It's not that I have my own individual taste that may not parallel yours. It's because IT SUCKS.
Video of Piranhas live in 2004 at the Lager House in Detroit. A Frames also played that night. (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=61UOWK3N)
Rectal Depth needs to be the name of a band. Some shitty power electronics/grind combo.