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Terminal Boardumb => Music Shit => Pop Punk => Topic started by: Fakepunkers on July 18, 2009, 10:24:01 AM
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My knowledge of punk is limited I will admit. However, from what I have heard and read about the Sex Pistols, they seem a bit overrated. I hope this is not considered blasphemy or anything. The music is ok, but is it also true that they were below average musicians? Someone suggested to me that they even had studio musicians help them do most of their record. Is thart that true? It just seems to me like maybe their attitude and "punk rock" persona had more to do with them being the face of punk than their actual music did. Any thoughts? Anyone wanna tell me why the Sex Pistols are so revered?
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I don't know...Steve Jones wanted to be the next Keith Richards and Johnny Rotten collected krautrock and prog records. I heard Glen Matlock wrote most of the songs too. Oh well. Throbbing Gristle always seemed like more of a threat in retrospect. Actually, I'm more scared of Led Zeppelin sexually abusing teenage girls with tiger sharks than I am of a bunch of bondage punks.
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sexually abusing teenage girls with tiger sharks
It was a mudshark or an eel from what I remember and it was their manager not LZ. A tiger shark is 10-20 feet long dude.
tiger shark:
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Mud Shark:
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sexually abusing teenage girls with tiger sharks
It was a mudshark or an eel from what I remember and it was their manager not LZ. A tiger shark is 10-20 feet long dude.
tiger shark:
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Mud Shark:
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It was that big hairy dude? What, was he trying to penetrate her with that thing?
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Is this thread real?
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Peter Grant looks like Francis Ford Coppola.
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It was a mudshark and it was their road manager, Richard Cole. It took place at the Edgewater Inn in Seattle and apparently was filmed by a member of the Vanilla Fudge.
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Is this thread real?
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Is this thread real?
no. I think we're down the rabbit hole. although the Sublime thread gives it a run for its money.
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It was a mudshark and it was their road manager, Richard Cole. It took place at the Edgewater Inn in Seattle and apparently was filmed by a member of the Vanilla Fudge.
I am sad that I will never get to experience this level of rock n roll decadence.
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(http://www.music-video-books-store.com/led-zeppelin/led-zeppelin-biografy-2-1.jpg)
The real father of punk.
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Is this thread real?
you beat me.
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My knowledge of punk is limited I will admit. However, from what I have heard and read about the Sex Pistols, they seem a bit overrated. I hope this is not considered blasphemy or anything. The music is ok, but is it also true that they were below average musicians? Someone suggested to me that they even had studio musicians help them do most of their record. Is thart that true? It just seems to me like maybe their attitude and "punk rock" persona had more to do with them being the face of punk than their actual music did. Any thoughts? Anyone wanna tell me why the Sex Pistols are so revered?
don't care about them, dear f. punkers. they're just hooked on them funny jpgs and gifs. nothing personal. it's nothing in fact.
i just wanna let you know that you can always come to me with your questions about the world and i'll be glad to help you. but for now i want to ask you something. through which magical secret paths did you find the way to our little community here? do you have a mission? are you an art school project?
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Is this thread real?
kind of like the car wreck you have to look out but then immediately regret doing so.
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Yes this thread is real. I wanted to get opinions from people who hold them so high. I think The Dead Boys or Slaughter and the Dogs are far superior bands. Maybe they werent as big, or didnt have the same impact that the Sex Pistols did, but they were better punk bands. How many people thought the Sex Pistols were good when they were out? Did they not get booed off the stage on their American tour? It just seems like more of a novelty thing to me. Has anybody else ever heard that the Sex Pistols were a hoax and got exposed while on their American tour?
Its like that fish I caught when I was 10. It was really a blue gill that was smaller than a piece of bread but here we are twenty years later and people tell the story of the 20 Ft tiger shark I caught. The real thing was far less exciting than the myth.
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No, but I love the story about Richard Branson of Virgin Records trying to hook Johnny Rotten up with Devo to make the "punk supergroup" or something to that effect. I found it funny that Dick Bran flew them both down to Jamaica to seal the deal...
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who cares
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Yes this thread is real. I wanted to get opinions from people who hold them so high. I think The Dead Boys or Slaughter and the Dogs are far superior bands. Maybe they werent as big, or didnt have the same impact that the Sex Pistols did, but they were better punk bands. How many people thought the Sex Pistols were good when they were out? Did they not get booed off the stage on their American tour? It just seems like more of a novelty thing to me. Has anybody else ever heard that the Sex Pistols were a hoax and got exposed while on their American tour?
Its like that fish I caught when I was 10. It was really a blue gill that was smaller than a piece of bread but here we are twenty years later and people tell the story of the 20 Ft tiger shark I caught. The real thing was far less exciting than the myth.
I suggest you read England's Dreaming if you truly care about learning about the 'Pistols. BEST BAND EVER.
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My knowledge of punk is limited I will admit. However, from what I have heard and read about the Sex Pistols, they seem a bit overrated. I hope this is not considered blasphemy or anything. The music is ok, but is it also true that they were below average musicians? Someone suggested to me that they even had studio musicians help them do most of their record. Is thart that true? It just seems to me like maybe their attitude and "punk rock" persona had more to do with them being the face of punk than their actual music did. Any thoughts? Anyone wanna tell me why the Sex Pistols are so revered?
What are you, 20, with the record collection of a 12 year old??!?
Yes, The Sex Pistols were groundbreaking, no, nobody really plays their records anymore.
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i listen to nevermind the bollocks everyday when i wake up
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i listen to nevermind the bollocks everyday when i wake up
I thought you were more into your internal soul crying from its depths for sweet release?
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my internal soul is a picture of cowboys jerkin each other off with swastikas and union jacks all around.
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my internal soul is a picture of cowboys jerkin each other off with swastikas and union jacks all around.
Is that the one with Robert Stack and Basil Rathbone or
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and
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What are you, 20, with the record collection of a 12 year old??!?
coldblooded!!
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to put it simply, no. youre totally wrong. the music on the records is played by the band, and watch DOA to see every show of their american tour, there was nobody booing them off the stage. theres tons of better bands, but thats neither here nor there. if you really think slaughter and the dogs are better musicians or had better songs you need to pull yer head out of yer ass or perhaps clean the cum outta yer ears. they were fine musicians, even sid was as good as any bass player i've ever been in a band with. again, watch DOA. he hits every note, even some fills, every bridge is right on, etc. i think theyre more on par with shit like slade than being a punk band, but attacking their musicianship is totally off base.
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i listen to nevermind the bollocks everyday when i wake up
Given, but when I met you when you were 20 I was assured you were unusual.
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since when are the sex pistols considered pop punk?
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I think I've willingly listened to the Sex Pistols less than five times my entire life. I bought their CD when I was like 15 or 16 and to this day I've never listened to it all the way through on my own. Why listen to a crappy version of The Stooges when you can just listen to the real thing?
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wow!! I can handle being disagreed with, but the remarks are a bit over the top. Dont get brave cause ur on a message board. The collection of a 12 year old? cleaning my ears out? No way you talk to me like that if you see me at the local gas station. I promise you dont. So stop actin hard like you wouldnt get knocked the fuck out.
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How many people here that have ever played bass, or any instrument for that matter, think sid was a good bass player? If he is as good as any bass player that you have been in a band with then you were in some shit bands buddy.
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I don't talk about records at the gas station. Ever. Answer the question.
I bought their CD
Least punk thing ever.
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Ok. Anywhere ever you dont talk to me like. Be the same person on this board that u are in person.
So whats the question? about my collection and age? Why do I need a collection that someone "approves" of? Why does my age matter? I have been into punk for a lot less time that probably anyone here. Im sorry but I dont get the sex pistols. Thats it. Ive heard a few things about them that suggest they werent as great as some people make them out to be. I have heard the term "fraud" used to describe the sex pistols. So I wanted the opinion of people who knew lots about it. So I posted the thread. Attacking me with comments like that are uncalled for.
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Slaughter and the Dogs were a decent New Wave band..
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fakepunkers - i assume you can read. if you want to know what the fuss about the sex pistols is/was about and to have all your questions answered i recommend
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it is well worth your time as it is one of the best books written on punk rock, let alone music, and it has a very good discography in the back for you to explore. if you arent willing to invest the time in that book, i suggest you delete your account here.
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fakepunkers is a ragamuffin with a teeny ballbag and i will end his life behind the gas station of his choosing
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I miss BoredomGoth/TheKeys
That kid was an asshole but he could hang, he didn't go Plastic-Bag-Babying out when everyone gave him shit.
They don't make'em like BoredomGoth anymore.
miss u, bro.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKgRRhlsrN8
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Tim Sommer had an interesting piece in the Big Takeover recently about the musical creativity/talent of the Pistols as evidenced by their latter output. He does not include Sid and even if he could hit the notes, I'd have to agree that Sid could probably NOT put together a song worth a damn. I've never really checked out Matlock's stuff - Rich Kids but love the Professionals. Of course, early PiL is classic.
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sids a fine bass player. in the live clips he has decent rhythm, almost never hits a sour note, and nails all the changes, and they are not the easiest songs. lots of bridges and key changes. he even does the occasional fills or octave notes. i would say he is a competent bassist. look at the punk rock movie or doa, shit like sid and nancy and the rock n roll swindle are fictional movies, the idea that the pistols couldnt play is unfounded in reality. steve jones was a natural, and even if matlock did write the majority of the songs its obvious what the pistols brought to the table. just compare their pretty vacant to the rich kids wuss version of the same songs for an example. they are every bit as good as people say they were, and then some.
also, i read englands dreaming until the motherfucker fell apart, because back in those days you actually had to research and read books to learn, not just expect people to spoon feed information to you on shitty message boards.
oh, and sid wrote belsen and bodies, 2 of the pistols best songs. musical skill and songwriting are barely related. either way it wouldnt matter, the bass player doesnt have to write great songs for a band to not be a "fraud", but in this case, it just so happens he did write great songs.
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also, i read englands dreaming until the motherfucker fell apart, because back in those days you actually had to research and read books to learn, not just expect people to spoon feed information to you on shitty message boards.
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back in those days you actually had to research and read books to learn, not just expect people to spoon feed information to you on shitty message boards.
. . . or at a gas station!
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great read!!!! did anybody ever notice how in pretty vacant when he says vacant it kinda sounds like cunt?!???? crazy!!!! :o
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Now that is better. Actual suggestions. Wow i guess that is difficult for the punker community to have a reasonable discussion and to actully treat someone with even the smallest amount of respect. And as i said before, everyone is brave on a message board. Gas station, grocery store, the local punk rock store, whatever. Just letting people know that I promise u dont say that shit to me face to face. I fucking promise that. So anywhere on the planet. I actually think I will read that book and that I will invest a little time to become better informed. So thank you for the "helpful" posts. Even tho it is obv that i can read. So thank you for that. And to anyone esle, i will tell you which gas stations I frequent and we can continue our discussion.
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the rats will have revenge on you
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why am i not finding this on the message board?
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Oh I see it is listed under pop punk now.
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wrath of an angry God
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The whole Led Zeppelin shark incident was cleared up (obfuscated) in "Hammer of the Gods."
"It wasn't Bonzo, it was me. It wasn't shark parts anyway: It was the nose that got put in. We caught a lot of big sharks, at least two dozen, stuck coat hangers through the gills and left 'em in the closet . . . But the true shark story was that it wasn't even a shark. It was a red snapper and the chick happened to be a fucking redheaded broad with a ginger pussy. And that is the truth. Bonzo was in the room, but I did it. Mark Stein [of Vanilla Fudge] filmed the whole thing. And she loved it. It was like, "You'd like a bit of fucking, eh? Let's see how your red snapper likes this red snapper!" That was it. It was the nose of the fish, and that girl must have cum 20 times. But it was nothing malicious or harmful, no way! No one was ever hurt." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_episode)
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Now that is better. Actual suggestions. Wow i guess that is difficult for the punker community to have a reasonable discussion and to actully treat someone with even the smallest amount of respect.
Ass - Don't turn up here and start lecturing us on how to treat you on termbo. Everyone takes their whippin', especially people new to the board, especially Sublime fans. You roll with the sarcasm or get the fuck out.
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Aww shit mr.ssr he gonna knock you out now,anywhere on this very planet...better believe it to he wrote that shit on a message board dog. Have respect and shit for the rock and roll gas station attendent.
Like when he's playin world of war craft 4 and he sees you on the battle field of orc,he's is going to knock you out. On the streets cruizing for a big breakfest taco and he rolls up on you talkin trash,your going down brother....when mom bursts in with fresh oatmeal cookies....you my friend are gonna be takin out like the trash bins full of 625 releases.
Better believe it,I just read it on the internet
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dawg, i'm still waiting for the plastic bag baby beat down. so the petrol pumper will have to take a number.
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Ok. Im actually laughing a bit now. So u think gas staion was a bad choice? It was random, whatever, isnt that were u go to meet chicks and talk punk? Obviously hahahahahahahahaha freaking ahahahahahahahahaha you can joke about that until its not funny anymore................o h wait that was like a week ago.
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clean the cum outta yer anus
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Ok. Im actually laughing a bit now. So u think gas staion was a bad choice? It was random, whatever, isnt that were u go to meet chicks and talk punk? Obviously hahahahahahahahaha freaking ahahahahahahahahaha you can joke about that until its not funny anymore................o h wait that was like a week ago.
please PM me some gas stations in your area. i would like to call you a ragamuffin with a teeny ballbag to your face, and then i would like to murder you in cold blood.
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somebody needs a readymade victim or a scapegoat sometimes. sometimes the abused loves to play that fart.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey can you send me a message on here and we can see how close we are to one another? I would love to discuss records with you sometime in person. It would be wonderful.
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theres a forum for that on craigslist. its called m4m, go fuck off there why dontcha?
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey can you send me a message on here and we can see how close we are to one another? I would love to discuss records with you sometime in person. It would be wonderful.
is this gas station business some thinly veiled glory hole invite? You have to admit, a gas station showdown over the Pistols would be pretty great. A gas station ferchrissakes! I do all of my score a settlin' at the petrol pump. Maybe behind the backstop or under the bleachers after school is good enough for alot of you, but give me a gas station anyday. Slim Jims, a comb, a bottle of Old Harpers, some rubbers and a can of whoop ass please!
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WTF!!!???? Rubbers? And the other fella seems to know a lot about the craigslist homo scene. Good for you. So pretty much you nothing intelligent to say? You are a good name caller tho. Also something to be very proud of. I would love for you to write ANYTHING that actually says someting. You talk more about cum than a hooker on taxi cab confessions. And all of your responses have just been insults. Are you really that fucking stupid? You ran out of shit that quick? So please, continue, for as long as you can come up with all these hilarious posts. Sooo creative. I know it was a stretch for you to think of such witty replies, but we all applaud the effort. Im sure there will be more to come from a comic like yourself. You can maybe parlay your skills into a gig. Open up for your favorite punk bands and see if their 12 fans like your set. It couldnt hurt to try.
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WTF!!!???? Rubbers? And the other fella seems to know a lot about the craigslist homo scene. Good for you. So pretty much you nothing intelligent to say? You are a good name caller tho. Also something to be very proud of. I would love for you to write ANYTHING that actually says someting. You talk more about cum than a hooker on taxi cab confessions. And all of your responses have just been insults. Are you really that fucking stupid? You ran out of shit that quick? So please, continue, for as long as you can come up with all these hilarious posts. Sooo creative. I know it was a stretch for you to think of such witty replies, but we all applaud the effort. Im sure there will be more to come from a comic like yourself. You can maybe parlay your skills into a gig. Open up for your favorite punk bands and see if their 12 fans like your set. It couldnt hurt to try.
QUIT CRYING.
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Aww shit mr.ssr he gonna knock you out now,anywhere on this very planet...better believe it to he wrote that shit on a message board dog. Have respect and shit for the rock and roll gas station attendent.
Like when he's playin world of war craft 4 and he sees you on the battle field of orc,he's is going to knock you out. On the streets cruizing for a big breakfest taco and he rolls up on you talkin trash,your going down brother....when mom bursts in with fresh oatmeal cookies....you my friend are gonna be takin out like the trash bins full of 625 releases.
Better believe it,I just read it on the internet
i love you.
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So if I talk shit Im crying now? Btw, if this was world of warcraft you would be dead already bitch!!!!
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Have you read England's Dreaming, yet? No? Then get off this thread and don't come back till you have!!
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if this was world of warcraft you would be dead already bitch!!!!
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So if I talk shit Im crying now? Btw, if this was world of warcraft you would be dead already bitch!!!!
please keep impressing us
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ok. when this thread starts talking about the sex pistols again then I will read the book.
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ok. when this thread starts talking about the sex pistols again then I will read the book.
You're the one talking about World Of Warcraft and gas stations..
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well when people respond to my questions with "get the cum out of your ears", Im ready to drop a right hand on somebody. everyone is fixated on this gas staion thing too. Again, just a random spot. All I meant was if I saw you on the street that you wouldnt be so brave to say whatever you like. The message board makes people brave. The only reason a gas station is still being mentioned on this thread is because your stupid ass friends think it was the funniest shit ever and they cant let it die.
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"My friends" are just fucking w/ you, because you are letting them. Now go get that book.
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will they have it at the library? seriously.
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will they have it at the library? seriously.
Unless you live in bumfuck or your local library is in a truck, yeah. Have you ever been inside a library? It's a collection of "reference material", not "boring old shit". Guess what? They most likely have books with pictures of boobs and dicks in them (again, unless you live in Megachurch, Iowa), instructions on how to make bombs, books with photos of fucked up dead bodies, and Ornette Coleman CDs. All for the 5 minutes it takes you to fill out the form and get a little plastic card. You can then make copies (10 cents each) of fucked up shit and post them around your school. If somebody gets mad at you, just tell them you found it at the library. You too can experience the intoxicating feeling of holding a book in your hands that would have gotten you burned alive in an auto-da-fe in 17th century Thuringen. Now THAT'S fucking punk.
Library punk!
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Library punk!
LIBRARY PUNK RULES!
Seriously, I did live in a tiny rural town growin' up, and learned a lot about, yes, THE SEX PISTOLS via books in the library. This was before the internet, of course, where people have to ponder what all the fuss is about, even though they can find out for themselves just by typing in a few keywords. To make my little story MORE PUNK, I actually stole some of those books from the library (the school library even... PUNK!)...
I also read about stuff like Hawkwind, Roxy Music, Television, Devo, etc... in those books... I mean these were pretty general "Rock History"-type books, but they served their purpose...
Later on, in college, I used to look at medical books of World War 2 injuries. Fascinating...
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The Nogales, AZ public library had a few decent records when I was a kid: David Bowie's Scary Monsters,
Wait, actually that's it. Everything else in there sucked. There was a copy of Red Octopus by Jefferson Starship, Wasp by Shaun Cassidy, and Flash Cadillac's Sons of the Beach. It was terrible. Still, I would always browse through the LPs whenever my mother took me there in the hopes of finding something good.
Later on they got a copy of Patti Smith's Dream of Life, which was even worse than her seventies records, and cassette copies of The Story of The Clash and Kate Bush's The Sensual World. Oh, yah -- I later found a copy of the John Cage / Harry Partch split on New World Records.
But they did subscribe to Option, Spin, and a bunch of literary magazines like Zyzzyva that made an impression on me when I was really young. Their copy of the Raw Magazine collection Read Yourself Raw burned itself into my eyeballs at a very young age. Also: biographies of Prince, Bowie, and U2.
I cherish these memories of the pre-Internet age.
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Clint, you eat poo.
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Clint is back! Praise the lord!
Did you get a new computer? Can I make a fat joke?
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Im not so sure that having people from this message board make fun of me exactly amounts to eating poo. But I see where you were going with it. But it was obv you missed badly with the joke and its not anywhere close to as funny as you thought. Oh well. Welcome back Clint!!! PUNK ROCK MOTHER F$%@(*^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Clint, although I did not miss you while you were gone I think you are an alright person like fakepunkers even if you do or do not eat poo.
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But they did subscribe to Option, Spin, and a bunch of literary magazines like Zyzzyva that made an impression on me when I was really young. Their copy of the Raw Magazine collection Read Yourself Raw burned itself into my eyeballs at a very young age. Also: biographies of Prince, Bowie, and U2.
I cherish these memories of the pre-Internet age.
Is Option the one that had flexis? Yeah, I had a few issues. I dunno if I still have the flexis. I think I had a Killing Joke one. Maybe a Cop Shoot Cop even! Argh! Not very good of a magazine, though...
Spin was my alternative source in Chilton, WI circa 1990-91!!! Byron Coley had a column called UNDERGROUND and that honestly lead me into some strange realms. Swell Maps, Electric Eels, Pagans, Nurse With Wound, Half Japanese, etc... Kinda funny, when I moved to a slightly-larger WI burg (De Pere... a sort of suburb of Green Bay), noone in my fucking school or whatnot ever heard of any of that shit, but I was happy to buy it off the racks when I saw it ("Grey Area" re-issues on Mute got me Swell Maps real quick, took down the Electric Eels with the "God Says Fuck You" CD on Homestead, got Nurse With Wound on a trip to Milwaukee, Pagans stuff came a bit later on that Crypt CD stuff and it took me a bit longer to get around to Half-Jap...).
So, what's this all this fuss about the Sex Pistols? A gateway drug. And I still like visiting the gateway. Sex Pistols were an awesome rock'n'roll band. Better than Slaughter and the Dogs! Prolly better than the Dead Boys. The Dead Boys best songs were watered down versions of Rocket From the Tombs stuff anyway, and Pere Ubu put more balls into the songs they took. Don't fucking even try to argue that, punker!
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A great quote that i just read at break my face .com:
A member of the audience at our second show told a reporter, "These guys would be nothing if it wasn't for the cops." How right she was; we sounded like the Pistols with Sid on every instrument. But then our mission wasn't musical; our mission was to stir the shit, cure boredom and strip the gears of musical privilege in Austin, represented by the folk, blues and cosmic cowboy oligarchies.
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A great quote that i just read at break my face .com:
A member of the audience at our second show told a reporter, "These guys would be nothing if it wasn't for the cops." How right she was; we sounded like the Pistols with Sid on every instrument. But then our mission wasn't musical; our mission was to stir the shit, cure boredom and strip the gears of musical privilege in Austin, represented by the folk, blues and cosmic cowboy oligarchies.
Ha. Tom Huckabee is funny as fuck. Those are great liners.
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huh?
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Fakepunkers... You can't be "punk" unless you give bradx a blowjob. Agreed. I thought so. Spread wide for that INDIAN DICK.
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Im actually trying to "learn" about punk more than anything. I began this thread by saying that my knowledge of punk is limited and that I was looking for opinions of others. So I do not claim to be a know-it-all when it comes to punk. I recently became interested in it and wondered why the sex pistols were so beloved. So why the hostile negative response from eveyone? According to Tom Huckabee most of you are assholes and not punks.
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why so hostile? I dont get it?
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Im actually trying to "learn" about punk more than anything. I began this thread by saying that my knowledge of punk is limited and that I was looking for opinions of others. So I do not claim to be a know-it-all when it comes to punk. I recently became interested in it and wondered why the sex pistols were so beloved. So why the hostile negative response from eveyone? According to Tom Huckabee most of you are assholes and not punks.
I though it was punk to be an asshole. Guess I was wrong. Thanks for setting me straight. I will now stop beating this dead horse, cause I don't wanna be no asshole, I wanna be a punk (because Tom Sizemore or Tom Hukabee said so). BILLY IDOL FOREVER!
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why so hostile? I dont get it?
1. Punk
2. Dumb
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Library punk!
LIBRARY PUNK RULES!
The only things I remember getting out of the Weatherford Public Library were Neil Young (Harvest AND After the Gold Rush!) and some Judas Priest, both on cassette because that's all they had. Nowadays I get all kinds of stuff from the library on CD - a lot of standard rock and jazz stuff that I like but can't get excited enough about to drop any money on. They also have a lot of cool box sets (Nuggets, Zombies, History of Instrumental Rock, Stones singles collection, etc.) that I would never be able to afford. What's especially cool is that they have a program where I can order anything from any library in the State of Texas, so I now have access to a shitload of stuff!
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huh?
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I miss Clint again.
Hey, Fakepunkers! I saw NOFX in like 199something... They were crap. How does that make you feel, sweet-tits?
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I knew NOFX was shit!!!!!!!!! HA!!!!!!!
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Dear Maximum Rock'n'Roll circa 1996,
The Future is Now.
Sincerely,
Dung Be A Slut 2009
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A 40oz to freedom is the only chance I have to feel good even tho I feel bad..............
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Gosh darn... I have to admit I'm a hick... I'm drunk...
And I still like the Sex Pistols...
I HATE PUNK. I'm serious. I can list at least 38 reasons why I hate punk.
Punk is fucking terrible. There's like only a coupla decent punk bands. The rest are all shit. I'm speaking the truth.
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fakepunk is jackie shark!!!
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Ugh. Honestly, 8 pages of this?
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8 pages for you to decry the obvious.
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cmon, its all my fault that the thread continues?
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I am not Clint and I am not Jackie Shark. Those two things I can promise you.
I know the Shark's son thru a couple of friends, and the Jackie Shark threads are what got me interested in this site. However, I am now interested in finding out more about punk music. Obv it has been lots of fun with the back and forth, but I will be making a trip to the local library this afternoon. I do have a genuine desire to learn more about why the sex pistols are considered legends of the punk world. So look for me in about a week with a sex pistols t shirt and all the albums. I will then start a thread about why the sex pistols are the greatest band of all time.All I did was ask what all the fuss was about. The knuckleheads on here turned it into something else with the insults and the flat out lack of respect. It is not my fault that assholes responded to the thread. Thank you to the few people who left legitimate posts here.
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But they did subscribe to Option, Spin, and a bunch of literary magazines like Zyzzyva that made an impression on me when I was really young. Their copy of the Raw Magazine collection Read Yourself Raw burned itself into my eyeballs at a very young age. Also: biographies of Prince, Bowie, and U2.
I cherish these memories of the pre-Internet age.
Is Option the one that had flexis? Yeah, I had a few issues. I dunno if I still have the flexis. I think I had a Killing Joke one. Maybe a Cop Shoot Cop even! Argh! Not very good of a magazine, though...
Spin was my alternative source in Chilton, WI circa 1990-91!!! Byron Coley had a column called UNDERGROUND and that honestly lead me into some strange realms. Swell Maps, Electric Eels, Pagans, Nurse With Wound, Half Japanese, etc... Kinda funny, when I moved to a slightly-larger WI burg (De Pere... a sort of suburb of Green Bay), noone in my fucking school or whatnot ever heard of any of that shit, but I was happy to buy it off the racks when I saw it ("Grey Area" re-issues on Mute got me Swell Maps real quick, took down the Electric Eels with the "God Says Fuck You" CD on Homestead, got Nurse With Wound on a trip to Milwaukee, Pagans stuff came a bit later on that Crypt CD stuff and it took me a bit longer to get around to Half-Jap...).
No, the one with the flexis was called Re/Flex -- not a very good magazine but you could sometimes buy it at Circle K convenience stores, even in backwaters like Nogales. I think I bought two issues of it when I was in my early teens, one of them in fact may have been the one with the Killing Joke flexi; the other had The Residents on the cover.
Option was the glossy magazine that grew out of Op fanzine (where I think Calvin Johnson and a few other NW luminaries of that era were contributors). Option was a little dry and they tended to put high-profile, MOR artists like Elvis Costello and Patti Smith on the cover, but they covered a lot of late-80s indie stuff, carried ads for a ton of indie labels, and maintained pretty high quality control standards. I bought my first issue of Option in '90 or '91 and I think I still have it: Jello and Bob Mould on the cover, articles about Fred Frith and Half Japanese, that kinda thing.
Coley's Underground column was great. I read his articles about Can, Jandek, and Half Japanese long before I ever got my hands on any of their records. Real formative shit in its tone and content.
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Andrea Enthal (or whatever sp) was the initial Undergrounder in the early Spins. She got me into Tall Dwarfs & shit. A couple columns in, she offered a free 'zine column Spin wouldn't run for a SASE. That's where I discovered Forced Exposure, Matter, Conflict, MRR, Flipside, etc. I didn't know about MRR? Nope. There wasn't an issue sold within 75 miles of me. Once I was able to jump on the fanzine bandwagon, I started ordering "Garage" (NZ) and grabbing the FN catalog; B-Side (Australia) and the Au-go-go catalog. And so on. Some Judge Rankin clown did the U-Ground after Andrea, and liked black metal or something. And trannies. Then Byron took over. Byron was the best. He also did some columns for B-Side. He seemed busy back then.
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As I went over the past two pages of this thread I had an olfactory flashback to the Nogales public library. It smelled like Officer Brad X's balls and poo casserole! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Right, Fakepunkers?
Seriously though, the library had a very distinctive and plesant smell, a mixture of old paper, institutional furniture, thick plastic record sleeves, old wooden furniture... A bit like my elementary school only cleaner and more austere.
You know what smells really terrible? Dog puke. Last night my doggie, Jose Luis Rodriguez, puked twice, once on the sofa and once on our comforter. Poor fella. I thought it might be the new "holistic" dog food we've been feeding him the last couple of days, but Mrs. Acapulco thinks Junior has been feeding him people food and that's what did it. It was pretty alarming -- I woke with a start in the middle of the night to hear him hacking and coughing and ultimately regurgitating a thick yellow gruel right onto the comforter (or duvet cover, or whatever it is, you know, that thing you put over your comforter in case the dog pukes on it or the baby shits on it or whatever). This morning he was fine, though, ate a hearty breakfast and drank lots of water. Is it possible that Jose Luis got into the tequila last night? Yes, it is.
But it isn't likely. How would he get the bottle open? Poor stupid fucker doesn't even have fingers, let alone an opposable thumb.
The library smell in my mind's nose sparked a reverie about those innocent years when I was first finding out about music and I tried to think about other sources where I picked up clues, little bits and pieces of information that led to other things. Thrasher magazine had lots of cool ads in it. Mail order record catalogues. The "import" section of certain record stores in faraway Tucson. There was something evil and nasty and alluring about "import" records, even when they weren't actually imports: Butthole Surfers, Dead Kennedys and GBH records, Bauhaus and Joy Division LPs and cassettes that came in weird cellophane outer sleeves instead of shrinkwrap and cost twice as much as normal records.
The CD Hotline: Does anyone remember this? Between about 1988 and 1990, this was a service based in NYC where you could call their 1-800 number and ask for a band's discography on CD and they would read it to you over the phone, including song titles. The Residents were one of the first bands to release their entire back catalog on CD, so on more than one occasion I called and had a guy on the other end of the line read me the Residents discography in chronological order from start to finish as I jotted down the titles. This company also published a small digest called DDD at irregular intervals, dedicated to the reissue of catalog titles on CD, reviews of high-end players and arcane products like the "CD damper," an acrylic ring that you were supposed to attach to your CDs to make them sound better.
What is all the fuss about Guy Debord?
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Nancy Spungen!!!!! That twisted bitch!!!!
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SPOILER ALERT!
She dies in the end.
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OK!! Everything I read said thatr sid had never ever played bass before joining the band. It said he was a drummer and that they added him as a bass player strictly for image purposes. So there doesnt seem to be any question about that. However, it did say that he worked very hard to learn the bass and that he did become a decent bass player. So why couldnt someone just have wrote that in a response?
Whatever. Im past all of your childish behavior. I forgive you. Its cool. We can just move on.
So, were the sex pistols a better band with the matlock fella, or with Sid?
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they were better with matlock. rotten brought in sid because they were close friends and he wanted a friend in the band, not for "image purposes". sid was a fine bass player, never good, but not bad either. however, in losing matlock, they also lost their best musician and their main songwriter. still i would have to say bollocks wouldve not had the same immediacy or punch with matlocks loopy basslines. steve jones basically doubled the guitar parts on bass, and thats all those songs really needed.
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i was just watching the sex pistols story on the biography channel. they repeatedly claim sid couldnt play, never learned how to play. they totally buy into the mclaren myth, and as stupid as this thread is, if that was the only place you had heard of the band, it would seem totally legit. bob gruen is actually sitting there saying when he heard bollocks for the first time he thought it was one of the worst things he had ever heard! what the fuck? i remember the first time i heard it, and i thought it was one of the best records ever. that production is killer! bob gruen is a fucking idiot.
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Did anyone ever get this figured out? Really very simple