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Terminal Boardumb => Music Shit => Pop Punk => Topic started by: frankie teardrop on December 21, 2009, 07:48:43 PM
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Bay City Rollers or The Ramones?
BCR had the crowds and talent, but Ramones had the respect and long lasting impact.
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Badfinger.
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(http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/e/eagles/album-eagles-their-greatest-hits-1971-1975.jpg)
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hawkwind
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Wings.
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big star
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peter frampton
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Well, seeing how no band has ever had the truly epochal impact on popular culture the Beatles did, I'd say it's an exercise in futility to try and come up with a "Beatles of the 70's."
A better question: who is the Seven Mary Three of the 00's?
THINK ABOUT IT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjNn4bbbgSw
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When I was in highschool there was a contest running at Best Buy to win a Seven Mary Three WINDBREAKER. God I wish I owned that.
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?Why is SSR such a fag?
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Paul McCartney and John Lennon.
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Supertramp?
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I think it's the ramones.
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ROLLING STONES.
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The Raspberries
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The Rutles
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ABBA
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?Why is SSR such a fag?
You think you've got problems? What about me? I have become cumbersome to the world. Not only that, but I have become cumbersome to my girl. I pine for the days when Soriano moving my threads could still irk me.
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Cheap Trick
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Sex Pistols
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Black Oak Arkansas
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Black Oak Arkansas
AFTERPARTY SAYS GOOD CALL
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ABBA
So far this is the only reasonable answer anyone has come up with... and it still misses the mark. Zeppelin also works.
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ABBA
So far this is the only reasonable answer anyone has come up with... and it still misses the mark. Zeppelin also works.
THERE IS NONE MORE REASONABLE THAN KLAATU
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Black Oak ya crummy fagz
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"you stupid whores"
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The right answer is David Bowie. A shitload of hits and talent acknowledged by both record collector punx, teenage girlies and artschool assholes (the three most important demographics).
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Don't get me wrong, this is a stupid topic, but no: Bowie never even had a #1 record. None of his albums even went platinum in the seventies. Completely different scale.
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I was wrong: "Fame" was a number-one single in 1975, written and recorded with Lennon.
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Lennon.
I already said it, John Lennon and Paul McCartney were the Beatles of the 70's. Put out successful hits with number 1 tracks, and were IN the Beatles at some point. They match this criteria perfectly.
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Lennon.
I already said it, John Lennon and Paul McCartney were the Beatles of the 70's. Put out successful hits with number 1 tracks, and were IN the Beatles at some point. They match this criteria perfectly.
except all their 70s records are useless. and only crappy bands followed their 70s paths. so I don't see any real connection with the Beatles who made mostly good records and influenced a bunch of good bands.
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Yeah, I think whoever it is would have to had defined an era, sold kajillions of records, inspired a thousand good bands and 100,000 terrible ones, written inescapable songs that everybody knows whether they know it or not, and made the chickies whet their panties. Only Zeppelin really qualifies. But ABBA's not a bad choice, either, except they were all couply and Swedish and shitt so no whet panties (sorry, Andreas).
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Only Zeppelin really qualifies.
then the 70s are officially a sucky decade.
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Pffft. Zeppelin > 99% of whatever it is you listen to.
Only Zeppelin really qualifies.
then the 70s are officially a sucky decade.
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Pffft. Zeppelin > 99% of whatever it is you listen to.
Only Zeppelin really qualifies.
then the 70s are officially a sucky decade.
IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE, LED ZEPPELIN'S "THE ROVER" IS A SONG USED MORE IN STRIP CLUBS THAN KID ROCK'S BOWL STAGNANT TRAILER JOINTS. I HAD A DREAM....
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How can anyone not like Band on the Run?
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How can anyone not like Band on the Run?
just need to listen and you'll have the answer. boring.
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Pffft. Zeppelin > 99% of whatever it is you listen to.
It seems I still need to get read of 1% of what I listen to.
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Either Abba or Kraftwerk.
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Pffft. Zeppelin > 99% of whatever it is you listen to.
Only Zeppelin really qualifies.
then the 70s are officially a sucky decade.
IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE, LED ZEPPELIN'S "THE ROVER" IS A SONG USED MORE IN STRIP CLUBS THAN KID ROCK'S BOWL STAGNANT TRAILER JOINTS. I HAD A DREAM....
"The Ocean" would also make a good stripper jam.
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id say the beatles of the 70s is earth wind and fire. they were a pop group with r+b/soul influences, they were musical geniuses, and pretty much all their albums went platinum.
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And Philip Bailey's solo career in the '80s was as potent as John, Paul, and George's a decade earlier!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TkvY9Z4f4P8/SmNo0nBoEiI/AAAAAAAABZg/NWqCXXG62Ts/s400/philip+baily.jpg)
Produced by Phil Collins, who also plays drums and sings backup throughout.
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Pulc, we need to do another youtube sesh soon. That last one had some gold nuggets.
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Pffft. Zeppelin > 99% of whatever it is you listen to.
Only Zeppelin really qualifies.
then the 70s are officially a sucky decade.
IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE, LED ZEPPELIN'S "THE ROVER" IS A SONG USED MORE IN STRIP CLUBS THAN KID ROCK'S BOWL STAGNANT TRAILER JOINTS. I HAD A DREAM....
"The Ocean" would also make a good stripper jam.
Jimmy Page spent more time in the mind of the grind then he did into all of that Thelema nonsense. I can smell it.
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Pulc, we need to do another youtube sesh soon. That last one had some gold nuggets.
Word, T-Force. I got some goodz lined up that'll make your spleen hurt. I'll bring the Boone's Farm if you guys hook up da WiFiz.
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In terms of success, defining a decade and the majority of what kids were listening to...I'd hate to say it, but probably KISS. I mean, when most people think of the 70's, it usually revolves around Kiss.
In terms of influence and long term significance.....The Ramones.
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I should delete all the ABBA mentions. Not cause they suck, I like ABBA, A LOT, but they didn't influence shit. And it's not like they were the first to do anything. And, no presence in the 80s and 90s. The only reason anybody remembers ABBA anymore is for that stupid musical that uses ABBA songs. I bet you more people could name Ramones songs than ABBA songs.
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I should delete all the ABBA mentions. Not cause they suck, I like ABBA, A LOT, but they didn't influence shit. And it's not like they were the first to do anything. And, no presence in the 80s and 90s. The only reason anybody remembers ABBA anymore is for that stupid musical that uses ABBA songs. I bet you more people could name Ramones songs than ABBA songs.
like, the general public? i think everyone knows some ABBA songs. i imagine asking randoms on the street to name a ramones song and getting a lot of "hey, ho, let's go!"'s.
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Well, even if they can't name Ramones songs they are more familiar with the aesthetic of the Ramones. Nobody would probably even remember (or know) of the vast glam influence on ABBA. They would probably just stick to the disco sound.
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The Ramones are marginal compared to The Beatles. Not even in the same league. There is no Beatles of the '70s, but if there were, it would have to be a band of Zeppelin's stature and ubiquity.
Nobody thinks of KISS when they think of the '70s.
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The Ramones are marginal compared to The Beatles. Not even in the same league. There is no Beatles of the '70s, but if there were, it would have to be a band of Zeppelin's stature and ubiquity.
Nobody thinks of KISS when they think of the '70s.
you couldn't be more wrong on all accounts.
Nobody thinks of Kiss when they think of the 70's? What dimension do you live in?
In terms of their influence on pop culture, NOBODY compares to the beatles...no shit. Number 2 is still the Ramones, regardless of how marginal the comparison is.
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Nu doodz!
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I still don't see how the Ramones are totally unfit for the title. They influenced scores and scores of people and still do to this day. Plus, it is easy to identify that influence. But Led Zep....You'd be hard pressed to easily identify that influence unless you have some ultra hippy screamer on the vocals. Plus, the Ramones always remained innocent. Unlike Zep, who watched chicks have sex with fish. GROSS.
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The problem with saying that the Ramones were the most influential band of the 70s is that still, 30 years on the Ramones still have nowhere near the exposure of the Beatles, or Led Zeppelin, or The Eagles, or Fleetwood Mac, or AC/DC, or any of the countless others that ruled the decade. Shit, the Beatles were coming off Abbey Road in 1969, and its influence and sales surely stretched farther into that decade than all the Ramones records have in all the decades since. Even the Sex Pistols were probably more widely known and (thusly) influential than the Ramones based on the sensationalist press/exposure they were given at the time and since.
Its sucks, and its obvious that a room full of punk/counterculture music fans would disagree, but any of those bands above, or the other ones like them (Simon and Garfunkel, Beegees, Pink Floyd (Darkside era), Led Zep (hugely influential on the entire heavy rock/metal scene that still is far more popular than punk/indie anything, not just preening hippy frontmen), or Michael Jackson by the tail end of the decade (and who completely ruled the 80s, without any debate) were the Beatles of the 70s. If not the Beatles themselves.
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i remember 10 or 15 years ago all the stoner kids were way into zep and floyd and nowadays it seems like younger kids are way more likely to think floyd suck or whatever. i think the internet and instant access to music and video have dispelled many of the myths that certain once hailed bands were something special. a band like the doors never would have been so mythical in an era of cellphone cameras, people would have seen right through to the truth of the matter, they were an amateurish band with a piss drunk lead singer who fancied himself a poet. he wasnt a shaman, he was a drunk and a druggie. i think kids nowadays trust their own eyes and ears more than any old mythical nonsense that propped up the legend of so many mediocre bands for so long. its easy to love floyd if all you own are the wall and dark side, but even the hippest of hippies would have to admit most of their early post syd shit sucks. i dont think that was the case years ago because without access to information the myth prevailed.
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there are still a ton of kids that are into classic rock.
i kinda wish music still was as 'mythical' as it was back in the 60s and 70s.
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yeah, i know it but now they download the full catalog of whoever onto their ipod instead of listening to the same two albums over and over again. its alot harder to claim a band like floyd is the best ever after being exposed to their full catalog.
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The more I think about this, the more I think whoever said the Sex Pistols had the best answer. Like the Beatles, they were British, were directly influenced by American music (only it was stuff like the Dolls and Ramones rather than Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley), and created a sensation in England AND in the U.S. Like the Beatles and Stones before them, they influenced lots of American kids to try to replicate what they did (only it was KBD-type bands rather than '66 garage bands). They only thing they're missing is that they weren't able to sustain Pistols-mania, but they still come closer to being the '70s Beatles than anybody else.
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they also had a killer two man songwriting team in matlock/lydon.
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Rolling Stone agreed. In their 100 best albums of '67-'87 Sgt. Pepper was no. 1, Bollocks no. 2.
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That poster who said that The Ramones are more influential than ABBA is deluded. Even the Sex Pistols were fans of theirs. Also, what the fuck have KISS influenced compared to
KRAFTWERK?
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Plz link me to all teh best Beatles related threads.
thx
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That poster who said that The Ramones are more influential than ABBA is deluded. Even the Sex Pistols were fans of theirs. Also, what the fuck have KISS influenced compared to
KRAFTWERK?
That was me. Please list the influence that ABBA has had.
RE: Sex Pistols - I think its quite clear the Ramones had more to do with what the Six Pistols were than ABBA. Not saying they didn't like ABBA, but where is their influence even felt within the Sex Pistols catalogue? Please don't link to a Sex Pistols member wearing an ABBA t-shirt OR Lydon exclaiming how ABBA was more punk than the Ramones (or whoever) in some 90s interview.
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Are we talking specifically rock/punk rock music or also pop music, hip hop etc?
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I'll welcome any and all ABBA influence.
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Especially ABBA's influence on Loner Folk.
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So, is your question actually "Who was the most influential band of the seventies?" 'Cos if so, you might as well throw Roxy Music in the running, and Sabbath, and... you get the point.
Frankie, the "Beatles of the '70s" is a dumb question for the same reason it's dumb to ask who was the Elivs of the '90s. It's an anachronism. There's nothing comparable, and so you're getting these answers that pick up on one aspect of The Beatles -- their popularity, their influence, the quality of their music, their record sales -- but not the others; and they ignore how radically The Beatles affected the world at large, not just other bands. The Beatles phenomenon literally changed the world in a way that's hard to imagine any band doing before or after. No one has. They also had the strongest seven-year run of any band that ever existed, created timeless music that cuts across every conceivable boundary -- genre, class, race... ABBA, Roxy Music, and Zeppelin are all partially correct, but what do you want? Did you start this thread just to make the dubious point that The Ramones are The Beatles of the seventies? It's an indefensible position, but you've made your point, okay, we get it, you love The Ramones. Awesome. How novel!
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Actually, I don't even like the Ramones that much. I think their best material is the later stuff. I don't know what it is called though, but lots of production and good vocals. A bit of a BCR's influence it seemed. I think the only Ramones record I own is the first 7" on Sire. My GF is the Ramones expert around here.
But, I think the Ramones are the Beatles of the 70s in terms of shocking impact, trendsetting originality, influence, and lengthy acclaim. I don't think anybody else matches. Zep doesn't match because they weren't original, ABBA doesn't count cause they didn't have a long lasting influence, Roxy...I have no idea, I would pick Bolan over Roxy.
I mainly started this thread super drunk, but continue to post in it. It's still the Ramones.
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And the Beatles of the 90s are Nirvana.
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How exactly are The Ramones more original than Zeppelin? I can't think of anything that sounds like "When the Levee Breaks" or "Kashimir" before Zeppelin. Both bands had their influences. The Ramones acknowledged their debt to '60s girl group sounds, bubblegum, blah blah blah. You know the story.
Never mind -- I guess you're trolling and I took yr bait.
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No Beatles of the 70's it was too much of a transition time for music from the early 70's rock to a real refined form of rock, then Finlay PUNK. Oh well every decade can't have a Beatles ?????
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Love it.
Death is a great transition. Detroit!
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why are you comparing good bands to the beatles?
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why are you comparing good bands to the beatles?
die
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RE: Sex Pistols - I think its quite clear the Ramones had more to do with what the Six Pistols were than ABBA. Not saying they didn't like ABBA, but where is their influence even felt within the Sex Pistols catalogue? Please don't link to a Sex Pistols member wearing an ABBA t-shirt OR Lydon exclaiming how ABBA was more punk than the Ramones (or whoever) in some 90s interview.
I didn't know the Pistols liked Abba (if there's an influence I must've heard the wrong Abba records) but they were playing live since late 75 so a few month before the Ramones first album.
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And the Beatles of the 90s are Nirvana.
the only difference is that the Beatles being a good band, they started a great wave, Nirvana being a shitty band started a shitty wave.
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RE: Sex Pistols - I think its quite clear the Ramones had more to do with what the Six Pistols were than ABBA. Not saying they didn't like ABBA, but where is their influence even felt within the Sex Pistols catalogue? Please don't link to a Sex Pistols member wearing an ABBA t-shirt OR Lydon exclaiming how ABBA was more punk than the Ramones (or whoever) in some 90s interview.
I didn't know the Pistols liked Abba (if there's an influence I must've heard the wrong Abba records) but they were playing live since late 75 so a few month before the Ramones first album.
Right. I dunno that The Ramones figure prominently in the Pistols' stew of influences, at least not any more than The Dolls and The Heartbreakers, The Stooges, The Monkees, The Modern Lovers, or... um, Van der Graf Generator.
Coincidentally, I was up late last night watching VH-1 Classic (as I often am) and caught the Classic Albums: Never Mind the Bollocks, in which McLaren sez that Jones and Cook (or one of 'em, I forget) were into ABBA.
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in which McLaren sez that Jones and Cook (or one of 'em, I forget) were into ABBA.
Maybe it's true, but I don't think McLaren is the most reliable source and he may have said that to ridicule them. I'm sure they probably also dug worst acts anyway.
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in which McLaren sez that Jones and Cook (or one of 'em, I forget) were into ABBA.
Maybe it's true, but I don't think McLaren is the most reliable source and he may have said that to ridicule them.
Probably. It's hard to imagine Jones or Cook being into ABBA, frankly; Lydon... maybe.
Jones seems like a pretty fucking cool bloke, even now. Not that ABBA is uncool.
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Jones seems like a pretty fucking cool bloke, even now.
I never paid much attention to Jones who I thought was even more an idiot than Vicious, but when I saw them live, I found out he was the one with the biggest charisma. He totally blew my mind without even doing anything special (except playing that wicked guitar).
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Ramones vs. Led Zepplin? You could argue either, but I think it's gotta be the Ramones. Both basically started a new genre within rock n roll, but which is more important? Punk or Hard Rock? And I would say that The Ramones were a more ground breaking. Led Zepplin has gained more general popularity, and may have even influenced more bands, but the bands that have been influenced by The Ramones are much better than the bands that have influenced Led Zepplin in general. So I would say Ramones
And I would say Black Sabbath before I would say Led Zepplin
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And the Beatles of the 90s are Nirvana.
the only difference is that the Beatles being a good band, they started a great wave, Nirvana being a shitty band started a shitty wave.
thats retarded. first off, nirvana were a great band. secondly, they inspired countless teens to pick up guitars. yes, the majority of them ended up playing bullshit, but the majority of people are always going to suck. however, almost everyone i know who is around the same age as me started playing music because of nirvana, and just from people i know many of them went on to play worthwhile music. also, the beatles probably influenced as many shitty bands as nirvana, or more, especially when they got all druggy with their later albums and everyone and their sister were trying to emulate them. FUCK the beatles~
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Ramones vs. Led Zepplin? You could argue either, but I think it's gotta be the Ramones. Both basically started a new genre within rock n roll, but which is more important? Punk or Hard Rock? And I would say that The Ramones were a more ground breaking. Led Zepplin has gained more general popularity, and may have even influenced more bands, but the bands that have been influenced by The Ramones are much better than the bands that have influenced Led Zepplin in general. So I would say Ramones
And I would say Black Sabbath before I would say Led Zepplin
so you are saying the riverdales are better than the white stripes?
who was the black sabbath of the 90s?
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Liquor Store is the Beatles of the future.
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Aaron tells me that Nick Gilder is the Beatles of the 70s.
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nirvana were a great band...
not
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in what way is this not great???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGIUpIVvxtY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puldKBA0Q8M)
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I bought vinyl copies of "Nevermind" and "Incesiticide" in order to flip about a month and half back. Ended up giving 'em a spin and was surprised how good they sounded. having not listened to them in almost fifteen years I'm as removed from the initial hype surrounding them as I'll ever get considering what an impact they had on my formative years - it was a quick hop, skip, and jump from the dirty production of "In Utero" to Teengenerate and the Rip Offs a couple years later - and these records hold up way better than I thought they would taken independently of the epochal impact they had on both mainstream and underground music.
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i am watching the buddy holly story for the first time in many years and its better than i remember it. the buddy holly story was the beatles of the 1970s.
"why'oun't yew get yer niggar luvin' ass back where yew be-long..."
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in what way is this not great???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGIUpIVvxtY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puldKBA0Q8M)
Music's fine on that one but his way of singing is totally annoying.
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yeah maybe but the question you really should be asking yourselves is: Who is the Clarke Gable of the 2000s? John Travolta, or Bryn Terfel?
It's a toughie.
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RE: Sex Pistols - I think its quite clear the Ramones had more to do with what the Six Pistols were than ABBA. Not saying they didn't like ABBA, but where is their influence even felt within the Sex Pistols catalogue? Please don't link to a Sex Pistols member wearing an ABBA t-shirt OR Lydon exclaiming how ABBA was more punk than the Ramones (or whoever) in some 90s interview.
I didn't know the Pistols liked Abba (if there's an influence I must've heard the wrong Abba records) but they were playing live since late 75 so a few month before the Ramones first album.
The intro to Pretty Vacant is DIRECTLY inspired by Abba. All you have to do is watch those shitty VH1 retrospectives to know that!
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My penis is the Beatles of the '90s.
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My penis is the Beatles of the '90s.
it produced thousands of children and got really dull in the last year?
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in what way is this not great???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGIUpIVvxtY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puldKBA0Q8M)
Music's fine on that one but his way of singing is totally annoying.
fuck you if you dont like it.
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My penis is the Beatles of the '90s.
it produced thousands of children and got really dull in the last year?
Bigger than Jesus. The girlies creamed their panties in anticipation and fainted at its overwhelming "charisma." The girls cried. The boys were jealous. It issued unforgettable "records" and launched more "careers" than you can "imagine." In the '00s it got hairier, settled down and made Double Fantasy and Ram with its very own Yoko Ono / Linda Eastman. Har! Puto.
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Nirvana might have influenced tons of shit bands, but I can't really think of another rock band that filled the gap between mainstream and underground music like them ever since. Some might mention Sonic Youth, another tremendously influential band that signed a contract with a major just before Nirvana, yet they never managed to reach their level of popularity or have been truly assimilated in popular culture to that extent. Anyway, great band, even though I don't happen to listen to them often anymore.
To the poster who said that only Lydon liked Abba in the Sex Pistols: not really, all of them occasinally used to frequent gay discos at the time, and Abba were most certainly a band popular in those places, as well as the UK charts.
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how can you say Bay City Rollers or The Ramone are the Beatles of the 70s .!.
it doesn't make sense to this little duck ..
IT GOTTA BE BADFINGER & BIG STAR
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how can you say Bay City Rollers or The Ramone are the Beatles of the 70s .!.
it doesn't make sense to this little duck ..
IT GOTTA BE BADFINGER & BIG STAR
Badfinger were mostly a so-so Beatles tribute band while Big Star, as great as they were, generated a cult, not a wave of bands. To be the Beatles of the ??s, you need to generate a revolution, not a cult.
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i've always considered the ramones to be the american beatles (they even shared a producer!), and run dmc the ramones of hip-hop (they were even bboth from queens!), and biz markie the bo diddely of hip-hop.
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Guys it's the Flamin' Groovies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSzMz2JnWMw
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Guys it's the Flamin' Groovies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSzMz2JnWMw
Fail
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fuck you./
flamin groovies is one of the only valid answers in this thread, though i would consider them to be more stones than beatles.
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I like the Groovies, but it isn't the Groovies at all.
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Of course it's not the Groovies because the entire concept of "who are the Beatles of the seventies" is fatuous nonsense. The Beatles were a singular cultural phenomenon whose impact on the world will never be matched by another band. It's not the fucking Raspberries because a bunch of powerpop faggots - myself included - retroactively attached themselves to their records. It's not ANYBODY. Jesus this whole concept is so stupid it boggles the mind. The seventies don't NEED to be defined in terms of the sixties.
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Agreed. This is a solid contender for all-time Most Retarded Thread.
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Agreed. This is a solid contender for all-time Most Retarded Thread.
Well I just started a much more retarded thread, i'm a regular wnkrs up in here.
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I think another beatles type phenomenon could happen. In the 70s, I think it was the ramones. But, it should have been the raspberries.
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I've been reading White Line Fever, the autobiography of Lemmy, all weekend and he claims that there will never be another phenomenon like Beatlemania and since it is Lemmy I believe him.
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Well, seeing how no band has ever had the truly epochal impact on popular culture the Beatles did, I'd say it's an exercise in futility to try and come up with a "Beatles of the 70's."
This was on page 1. It's now page 8. The thread may be retarded but it is also hard to kill. Perhaps it's greatest fear is to be ignored.
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The Beatles of the 70s was Faust, you fucking idiots.
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Obviously, the Pointed Sticks.
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I dunno, but I'll go with Raped for now.
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I dunno, but I'll go with Raped for now.
WRONG! The answer is clearly 999, right down to the shitty songs, ugly faces and day-glo ties and pants.
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I stand by my assessment that Black Oak Arkansas earned this title
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As mentioned earlier...
Big Star
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The Beatles
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KLAATU