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Terminal Boardumb => Music Shit => Pop Punk => Topic started by: TJ Webelo on April 19, 2012, 04:33:57 PM
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What I really like about Terminal Boredom is what i also hate about it.....bands that are mimicking the past (that I love, based on my own tastes) aren't necessarily held in high regard, even if the reviewer really digs it.
But here's my question....
Why is the term "punk" still being held in such high regard then? The term is what, 40 years old now? If bands that mimmick the past aren't as praised as a band trying something new, then why is an OLD term being used to describe something that's trying a new approach?
I'm drunk and pondering this.
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Every band is basically mining the past. Some bands are just out and out carbon copies of a particular style. I don't think anyone is holding the idea of "punk" on a pedestal. It's one thing to have influence but it's another to be totally derivative. If band A sounds exactly like I dunno...The Saints....then I think I'd rather just listen to the Saints.
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Every band is basically mining the past. Some bands are just out and out carbon copies of a particular style. I don't think anyone is holding the idea of "punk" on a pedestal. It's one thing to have influence but it's another to be totally derivative. If band A sounds exactly like I dunno...The Saints....then I think I'd rather just listen to the Saints.
That makes sense. But at the same time, many bands in the 70's that got the punk tag just sounded like bands from the late 60's/early 70's. in 1977, the Damned were considered a copy of the mc5, for example. DMZ is just a hard rock version of the Sonics...and so on. Punk was the new term for that....30 years ago. So why is it still being carried on?
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i should also point out that this really stems from something i read not too long on this board regarding Hardcore. Someone said something along the lines of "talking about the latest hardcore album is the equivilent of talking about the latest doo wop album".
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if you can't figure out what is good for your self, please do not bother me with your opinons
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i should also point out that this really stems from something i read not too long on this board regarding Hardcore. Someone said something along the lines of "talking about the latest hardcore album is the equivilent of talking about the latest doo wop album".
What a good thread and fair question. I was blogging just today about how I don't think a lot of people actually like "rock," so zeroing in on punk is a bit less unwieldy. In the early 90s, I remember feeling over-saturated with Dinosaur, SY and Du ripoffs and wondering, "where are the bands that sound like Wire or Gang of Four"? Careful what you wish for, huh? By the 2000s it was all post-punk and post-rock as earlier rocking fuck-punk from SST waned. Now we're in a moment, which still feels great, I think, in which Killed By Death has eclipsed Nuggets as the Bible (or Anthology of American Folk Music) for 48 states' worth of gnarly post-GG bubble-psych.
In other words, I think the resilience of "punk" as a rallying genre-bugle can best be explained by the fact that punk has been subject to major changes in form and content. Is that radical aesthetics or flexible marketing tactics? I dunno. Over time it's not as one-dimensional as civilians suppose, although at any given moment I believe it tends towards the monochromatic. I worry about that now, but there are always outliers, right?
Also, there's always the historical re-enactors and the "punk's not dead!!!" industry. Chances are our favorite contempo-punks - mine are Cola Freaks and GG King, let's say - don't attract the yobs or the bucks that this first tendency does. As much a hoax as the POW-MIA "you are not forgotten" lie, the assertion that punk's dead is hardly as relevant as the one about God being a shitty worm-corpse. Still, people defend, I dunno, The Ramones and Sham 69 kind of like tea party caucasians defend themselves like they were in a targeted minority.
Anyway I'll stop now. We allow the meaning of punk to change in part so we can celebrate its resilience and continuity with everything. It's a fantasy that great records ride in on every day.
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nothing about any of this crap makes any sens
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punk is such an all encompassing term, its like rock n roll, its just an easy and almost meaningless word. what is punk? the clash? tapeworm? blink 182???
its just an easy way to describe an attitude and approach i guess. to many people it still means sex pistols and social distortion though...
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Look....i'm a fucking drunk. I'm drunk right now. This is just something i was thinking about earlier. If people think it's a stupid thing to ponder, or even if it just doesn't make any sense, I totally understand that.
it's just something I was thinking about earlier. it's an old term....and the older it gets, I can't help but feel like the term "punk" is just another way of explaining rock'n'roll to people who understand rock'n'roll (another outdated term) is supposed to be about.
yet at the same time, the longer time goes on....i can't help but wonder when the term "punk" itself will become meaningless.
i completely accept every answer so far.
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i should also point out that this really stems from something i read not too long on this board regarding Hardcore. Someone said something along the lines of "talking about the latest hardcore album is the equivilent of talking about the latest doo wop album".
I bought 49 (counted em') 49-cent 45's today, mostly old rock'n'roll, country, soul, polka... mostly well-known stuff, but some obscurities... about 6 of em' were doo-wop records... and I'm really glad I bought those doo-wop records because they are really fucking good and I don't know what my point is besides that I'm essentially just a senile old coot and could just ramble on about nothing whatsoever to do with this pointless thread...
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if you can't figure out what is good for your self, please do not bother me with your opinons
not my point at all.
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These newer members of the board posting these wack-ass threads must of had older brothers in emo bands or something. Really touchy-feely about their nonsense or something. Now I must get back to whittling on the porch and, heck, this here beer ain't gonna drink itself, unless of course it does...
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if you can't figure out what is good for your self, please do not bother me with your opinons
not my point at all.
What is your fucking point then, NOOB?
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Look....i'm a fucking drunk. I'm drunk right now. This is just something i was thinking about earlier. If people think it's a stupid thing to ponder, or even if it just doesn't make any sense, I totally understand that.
it's just something I was thinking about earlier. it's an old term....and the older it gets, I can't help but feel like the term "punk" is just another way of explaining rock'n'roll to people who understand rock'n'roll (another outdated term) is supposed to be about.
yet at the same time, the longer time goes on....i can't help but wonder when the term "punk" itself will become meaningless.
i completely accept every answer so far.
it was meaningless when it started, television, talking heads, blondie, all were considered punk.
i always liked lemmys stage banter about THIS is rock n roll, perhaps you have been misinformed about what rock n roll is...
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Look....i'm a fucking drunk. I'm drunk right now. This is just something i was thinking about earlier. If people think it's a stupid thing to ponder, or even if it just doesn't make any sense, I totally understand that.
it's just something I was thinking about earlier. it's an old term....and the older it gets, I can't help but feel like the term "punk" is just another way of explaining rock'n'roll to people who understand rock'n'roll (another outdated term) is supposed to be about.
yet at the same time, the longer time goes on....i can't help but wonder when the term "punk" itself will become meaningless.
i completely accept every answer so far.
I'm glad you apologized for asking an intelligent question. You NEED these people to like you - some of them even have CASSETTE labels, or just own cassettes - and you really should worship them. They have no choice but to enter into threads they don't like and remind you that asking questions is for people with inadequate record collections. You should be either scanning these folks' discogs lists or memorizing their inside jokes. Who the fuck likes talking about music? That's why the phrases "that shit's awesome" and "that shit fucking sucks" were coined.
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I see 9 or 10 PLASTIC BAG BABY moments in the near future.
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In other news, CCR always sounds good, but when you blast one of their 45's really loud, it's even better...
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i had one of their early LPs blasting a few hours back
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i should also point out that this really stems from something i read not too long on this board regarding Hardcore. Someone said something along the lines of "talking about the latest hardcore album is the equivilent of talking about the latest doo wop album".
We allow the meaning of punk to change in part so we can celebrate its resilience and continuity with everything. It's a fantasy that great records ride in on every day.
That was the perfect answer. Great response.
Also, regarding my "apologizing", that was more or less arriving back to the thread and still not sure if my question actually made sense.
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nothing about any of this crap makes any sens
Pffffftttttttttt
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I wouldnt say punk is an archaic term. As long as shit around the world pisses people off enough to shout punk is still relevant. As long as kids still blast discharge while shotgunning beers punk is still relevant. Just because the term leaves you cold doesnt mean its not ?fixing? the lives of people around the world everyday.
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I wouldnt say punk is an archaic term. As long as shit around the world pisses people off enough to shout punk is still relevant. As long as kids still blast discharge while shotgunning beers punk is still relevant. Just because the term leaves you cold doesnt mean its not ?fixing? the lives of people around the world everyday.
The term doesn't leave me cold at all. i love the term in the sense that "punk" can be considered simply an updated term for "rock'n'roll". You could say that "punk" redefined what makes a rock'n'roll band, in that a rock'n'roll band that isn't a punk band, isn't really a rock'n'roll band at all. (which is why so many bands in retrospect, like the stooges, became considered "punk")
But at the same time, a part of me wonders why something new and interesting today is being defined by a word that was only new and fresh 30-40 years ago. Why is a term like "hardcore" considered outdated, while a term like "punk" continues on? ( Or did I just answer my own question in the first sentence.)
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The age of punk has nothing to do with whether or not its an outdated term. Like i said before, it has to do with its urgency. Oh, and every rocknroll band is not a punk band thats like calling every liberal an anarchist.
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In other news, CCR always sounds good, but when you blast one of their 45's really loud, it's even better...
this is truth.
and i gotta say, ROCK 'N ROLL WILL NEVER DIE! LONG LIVE ROCK! KILL A PUNK FOR ROCK 'N ROLL!!
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nothing about any of this crap makes any sens
Here's a nude pic of Chloe Sevigny.
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here's a pic of Chloe Sevigny wearing a cramps tshirt
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I see 9 or 10 PLASTIC BAG BABY moments in the near future.
If only.
Shall I engage?
I'll engage.
I wouldnt say punk is an archaic term. As long as shit around the world pisses people off enough to shout punk is still relevant. As long as kids still blast discharge while shotgunning beers punk is still relevant. Just because the term leaves you cold doesnt mean its not ?fixing? the lives of people around the world everyday.
The term doesn't leave me cold at all. i love the term in the sense that "punk" can be considered simply an updated term for "rock'n'roll". You could say that "punk" redefined what makes a rock'n'roll band, in that a rock'n'roll band that isn't a punk band, isn't really a rock'n'roll band at all. (which is why so many bands in retrospect, like the stooges, became considered "punk")
But at the same time, a part of me wonders why something new and interesting today is being defined by a word that was only new and fresh 30-40 years ago. Why is a term like "hardcore" considered outdated, while a term like "punk" continues on? ( Or did I just answer my own question in the first sentence.)
Dear TJ,
You strike me as a young man or woman between the ages of 15 and 20. As a young person with an inquisitive mind, it is your right -- nay, your duty -- to question the dominant paradigm, etc. The questions you ask, however, are muddled and ill-informed; they smack of adolescent drama queen self-involvement. Do you smoked pot? Have you ever asked yourself if what you consider to be reality, including me and everyone else on this board, is nothing but a dream, a product of your own febrile imagination? This is, I submit, the question you should ask yourself, the one from which all others must follow, regardless of what ultimate answer you find.
As for some of the smaller, more specific questions you have pondered in this thread, the one that stood out to me most was this one:
a part of me wonders why something new and interesting today is being defined by a word that was only new and fresh 30-40 years ago
If I may answer your question with another question, pray tell, which part of you, specifically, wonders this? The brain? The heart? The anus? And furthermore: What exactly have you heard lately that strikes you as "new and interesting" and that is also being defined (by whom?) as "punk"? You mean, like, Ceremony?
I would add that while "punk" opened doors for some of us early on, and while I have no doubt that shotgunning beers whilst listening to Discharge provides a relatively harmless release for the young, angry, and ignorant, for most people "punk" proves to be a pointless, unhealthy diversion on the road to a mediocre middle-age riddled with regrets, poverty, and tedium.
Also: What do you think of the Red Hot Chili Peppers? Tony Kiedis said a few years back that the Peppers can ride around town in limousines, eating caviar and drinking champagne, and they'd still be more punk than any young pretenders. I would love to hear your opinion on this point.
Love,
Whet
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Here's a pic of Chloe out on a date with one of the guys from the Jersey Shore:
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...and here she is modeling a leather jacket embroidered with the Slits' logo (the British femme-reggae-punkers are a huge inspiration to this East Village denizen).
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A part of me admires Chloe's pubic hair and would like to nuzzle it. She must be privy to some Hollywood Star Secret, or she uses a very nice conditioner on her beave. How does a 40-year-old woman maintain such a beautifully soft tuft?
Another part of me wishes she and Kim Gordon would form a two-woman human-centipede-style Moebius strip and tumble slowly away into the Connecticut / Massachusetts suburbs, where a fawn's kiss would project them into the heavens to become a new constellation shaped like a pair of tits and a bling-encrusted dollar sign.
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I like how you started this with "shall i engage?". I picture you reading my question covered in potato chips...cold half eaten burrito sits at the edge of your desk, a few scattered 45's by your feet, greasy fingers, keyboard covered in crumbs, thinking "Ohhhhh boy. My internet pals just can't WAIT until I respond! Boy this kid is gonna get it! I'll even point out how muddled and ill-informed his very simple question is, in an attempt to let him know that I've 'been there and done that'. I'll even follow up my post with a Slits related gif....not that THIS kid knows who the Slits are."
Do you smoked pot?
Yes sometimes I "smoked pot". Do you ever "drinked alcohol"? Have you ever tried to "checked" your grammars before trying way too hard to be clever? It's not that bad of an idea.
for most people "punk" proves to be a pointless, unhealthy diversion on the road to a mediocre middle-age riddled with regrets, poverty, and tedium.
You, don't say.....
I'm not sure what part of me wonders this....but I'm gonna guess and say that it's the same part of me that enjoys being choked during sex.
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Dear TJ,
I apologize for the typo ("smoked"), but before you spend too much energy dwelling on it, I should point out that typos are a matter of orthography (spelling) and not grammar.
I don't have internet pals, unfortunately, or any real pals for that matter. My life is pretty sad. I'm on disability for my glandular problem, so I'm home all the time and I have few distractions other than masturbation, music, and occasionally posting on this message board. Hell, even masturbation isn't easy when you suffer from my condition, but I don't want to bore you or gross you out with the details. Yes, I eat too much. And I don't eat healthy. It's an embarrassment to me and to my parents that I am this way, but I'm too far gone to do anything about it. And to answer your question, yes, I have drinked (drank?) alcohol before. Too much, in fact. It's come close to ruining my life, not that I have much of a life to begin with.
I wasn't trying to be clever, and I certainly wasn't trying "hard." I was trying to make a point, and ask you an honest question. I know you know who The Slits are. Even Chloe Sevigny knows! I was just having a goof on a sexy girl who I think about a lot (or is that "about whom I think a lot?"). We have a running joke here on Terminal Boredom about Chloe's beaver being the best DJ in NYC... I didn't mean to be too insiderish or put you down in any way.
To be honest with you, "punk rockers" never really accepted me because of my looks. Neither did goths (you shoulda seen me in pancake makeup and teased hair... not a pretty sight), or skaters. I could have fit in with the metalheads, but metal sucks and I couldn't get into it. So maybe there's a bit of resentment in that. But I wasn't trying to put you down or pretend that I'd "been there, done that." Punk has been more or less a spectator sport for me ever since I was a teenager. This message board and my participation in it is an extension of that. People can be a bit rude or mean to newbies here, and if I'm guilty of that, I'm sorry.
I sincerely hope you don't like getting choked during sexx. I've tried that on my own a couple of times, and it was kind of interesting (I think I shot across the room!) but I almost didn't make it! It's tricky enough when you do it yourself; I don't think I would trust another dude to choke me while making love.
But anyway, I hope now that we've cleared the air, you'll consider answering the questions I posed to you. Maybe if you're in the New York area sometime we can hang out. I've got tons of cool 45s in my basement pad, ha ha.
Love,
Whet
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Here's a pic of Michael Hutchence. He died when he was only 37.
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Sad what happened to that guy. Punk rock was his gateway drug, and it wound up destroying him. "New sensation," yeah. RIP.
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Dear TJ,
I apologize for the typo ("smoked"), but before you spend too much energy dwelling on it, I should point out that typos are a matter of orthography (spelling) and not grammar.
I don't have internet pals, unfortunately, or any real pals for that matter. My life is pretty sad. I'm on disability for my glandular problem, so I'm home all the time and I have few distractions other than masturbation, music, and occasionally posting on this message board. Hell, even masturbation isn't easy when you suffer from my condition, but I don't want to bore you or gross you out with the details. Yes, I eat too much. And I don't eat healthy. It's an embarrassment to me and to my parents that I am this way, but I'm too far gone to do anything about it. And to answer your question, yes, I have drinked (drank?) alcohol before. Too much, in fact. It's come close to ruining my life, not that I have much of a life to begin with.
I wasn't trying to be clever, and I certainly wasn't trying "hard." I was trying to make a point, and ask you an honest question. I know you know who The Slits are. Even Chloe Sevigny knows! I was just having a goof on a sexy girl who I think about a lot (or is that "about whom I think a lot?"). We have a running joke here on Terminal Boredom about Chloe's beaver being the best DJ in NYC... I didn't mean to be too insiderish or put you down in any way.
To be honest with you, "punk rockers" never really accepted me because of my looks. Neither did goths (you shoulda seen me in pancake makeup and teased hair... not a pretty sight), or skaters. I could have fit in with the metalheads, but metal sucks and I couldn't get into it. So maybe there's a bit of resentment in that. But I wasn't trying to put you down or pretend that I'd "been there, done that." Punk has been more or less a spectator sport for me ever since I was a teenager. This message board and my participation in it is an extension of that. People can be a bit rude or mean to newbies here, and if I'm guilty of that, I'm sorry.
I sincerely hope you don't like getting choked during sexx. I've tried that on my own a couple of times, and it was kind of interesting (I think I shot across the room!) but I almost didn't make it! It's tricky enough when you do it yourself; I don't think I would trust another dude to choke me while making love.
But anyway, I hope now that we've cleared the air, you'll consider answering the questions I posed to you. Maybe if you're in the New York area sometime we can hang out. I've got tons of cool 45s in my basement pad, ha ha.
Love,
Whet
Dear Whet Bull,
Back peddling your attempt at trying to put me in my place will not work, BUT
if you'd like to ask me your questions a little more clearly, and not hidden in a pile of random sarcastic sentences and pictures, I may be able to answer them a little easier.
PS- Sorry about your disability. I'm sure you're a very good looking man who has many friends. My attempt to "win" was not personal as I do not know anything about you, and my description of a "messageboard warrior" was simply an exaggeration of the stereotype that probably fits me better than it fits you.
Love TJ.
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Richie, I'll send you a box of "Love Roses" (Thin Glass tubes with roses in them) if you unplug this site permanently
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Richie, I'll send you a box of "Love Roses" (Thin Glass tubes with roses in them) if you unplug this site permanently
The board's just not up to par for LayawayButch anymore. The site must be taken down immediately.
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This just ain't no fun.
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The more I think about my question, the more I realize that it's such a fucking awesome question. I rule.
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PS- Sorry about your disability. I'm sure you're a very good looking man who has many friends.
Please don't patronize me.
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The more I think about my question, the more I realize that it's such a fucking awesome question. I rule.
That sounds kind of conceited.
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PS- Sorry about your disability. I'm sure you're a very good looking man who has many friends.
Please don't patronize me.
Patronize? I wouldn't know anything about that. I'm just some stupid 15 year old kid
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The more I think about my question, the more I realize that it's such a fucking awesome question. I rule.
That sounds kind of conceited.
Get out of my thread "charles".
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A+ thread. what happened, did TJ quit?
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He was demoted to Cub Scout.
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that picture of cher is pretty fuckin' awesome.
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Richie, I'll send you a box of "Love Roses" (Thin Glass tubes with roses in them) if you unplug this site permanently
Don't be a part of the problem. We can all help each other and make this crazy thing work. Man.
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Richie, I'll send you a box of "Love Roses" (Thin Glass tubes with roses in them) if you unplug this site permanently
Don't be a part of the problem. We can all help each other and make this crazy thing work. Man.
I JUST WANNA SMOKE ROCKS WITH YOU, N!GGA
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Richie, I'll send you a box of "Love Roses" (Thin Glass tubes with roses in them) if you unplug this site permanently
Don't be a part of the problem. We can all help each other and make this crazy thing work. Man.
I JUST WANNA SMOKE ROCKS WITH YOU, N!GGA
We've already started packing for Horriblefest. Just bring a stem and some ammo.
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Richie this nigga can help........
http://www.ehow.com/video_7155439_stop-smoking-crack.html
just put down the pipe my nigz, tell someone and put that muthafuckin pipe down!!!!