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Dang.
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My hero.
R.I.P.
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Can't say I'm shocked, but gravely disappointed. R.I.P.
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:'(
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An absolute giant of music (and the Anti-Zappa?). Hearing 'Venus In Furs' when I was 14 on my school-friend Bruce's olders brother's (he looked just like Sid!) 'Safety-Film' comp lp was the defining musical moment of my life. No turning back after that! Even got to see the VU at the Edinburgh Playhouse in '93. Never been more excited for a gig in my life and probably never will be again. My all-time favourite band. Playing their first proper gigs with the original line-up for 25 years. In my city, a mere mile or so from my front door. What were the chances? It was still a magical moment for me, despite that short-lived reunion's short-comings and recriminations. The Berlin concert at the same venue a few years back was also pretty special. Christ, those songs he wrote, his guitar playing, his cussed personaliy.
Thanks for everything, Lou.
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Shall we have a gentleman's/ladies' agreement to avoid the use of the term 'godfather of punk' in this thread? Thanks
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Transformer was a gateway album for me. Thanks for the music Lou.
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Since I'd rather daydrink to the guy than eulogize 'im (and there'll be plenty of opportunities to do so in the coming days if I change my mind), I'll just say that it occurs to me that I've been a Velvets fan for longer than I haven't (I'm 31 now). I guess there are plenty of bands I've felt lukewarm about since age 15, but only VU (and the Stooges) still blow the synapses every once't in a while. Was listening to the 'Legendary Guitar Amp Tapes' (from the Boston Tea Party gig, '69) a couple days ago -- taper stuck his mic directly in front of Uncle's amp. (The rest of the band sounds like Fraggles.) It's aces. Metal Machine Muzak still gets me (and I get IT). Bottoms up.
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Shall we have a gentleman's/ladies' agreement to avoid the use of the term 'godfather of punk' in this thread? Thanks
It's already been out-lamed by "the anti-Zappa."
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Shall we have a gentleman's/ladies' agreement to avoid the use of the term 'godfather of punk' in this thread? Thanks
It's already been out-lamed by "the anti-Zappa."
Erm sorry. Reed and Zappa do seem like opposite sides of the same '60's counter-culture though. Lou's a cynical hippy-hater who loves rock'n'roll ('Rock And Roll', 'Rock And Roll Heart') and Zappa's a cynical hippy-hater who has contempt for rock'n'roll (everything he ever recorded). Or am I wrong?
I've only known on Zappa fanatic in my life though and he turned out to be an oh so superior cleverer than thou prick. (And he had that Zappa beard!) So I might be biased. I had to endure a track called (I think) 'Brown Shoes Don't Make It' that was repulsive enough that I was put off ever tying to 'get' FZ ever again.
Lou did induct Zappa onto the R and R Hall of fame though, which is pretty funny considering he never had a good word to say for him when he was alive.
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My only hope is that Bowie dies next.
RIP
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Erm sorry. Reed and Zappa do seem like opposite sides of the same '60's counter-culture though. Lou's a cynical hippy-hater who loves rock'n'roll ('Rock And Roll', 'Rock And Roll Heart') and Zappa's a cynical hippy-hater who has contempt for rock'n'roll (everything he ever recorded). Or am I wrong?
Makes sense to me! Was Zappa the anti-Lou? Who's more likely to have a burrito named after them? A strain of weed? A $700 shoe? A new species of wombat urinary tract bacteria? An STD? A high-speed model train? A high-speed actual train? Organic dog food? A custom shade of mustard-yellow auto paint? A federal statute?
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Good bye old friend and pioneer...you've counted well of yourself.
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My only hope is that Bowie dies next.
RIP
Now that shit is offensive. (Says the guy with a Bowie tattoo and fucking proud of it.)
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Bono sux more than Zappa tho i don't like Zappa at all either but at least he signed Alice Cooper, etc. Bono sux more than most humanoids and what the fuck is he doing constantly assaulting Lou like that anyway? Creep. Poor Lou. I like the Steve Martin photobomb tho and Van Vliet is always. Plus the light bulb lantern face guy next to Don.
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Zappa? Oh please, negrito...
During the early years of its heyday, Laurel Canyon?s father figure is the rather eccentric personality known as Frank Zappa. Though he and his various Mothers of Invention line-ups will never attain the commercial success of the band headed by the admiral?s son, Frank will be a hugely influential figure among his contemporaries. Ensconced in an abode dubbed the ?Log Cabin? ? which sat right in the heart of Laurel Canyon, at the crossroads of Laurel Canyon Boulevard and Lookout Mountain Avenue ? Zappa will play host to virtually every musician who passes through the canyon in the mid- to late-1960s. He will also discover and sign numerous acts to his various Laurel Canyon-based record labels. Many of these acts will be rather bizarre and somewhat obscure characters (think Captain Beefheart and Larry ?Wild Man? Fischer), but some of them, such as psychedelic rocker cum shock-rocker Alice Cooper, will go on to superstardom.
Zappa, along with certain members of his sizable entourage (the ?Log Cabin? was run as an early commune, with numerous hangers-on occupying various rooms in the main house and the guest house, as well as in the peculiar caves and tunnels lacing the grounds of the home; far from the quaint homestead the name seems to imply, by the way, the ?Log Cabin? was a cavernous five-level home that featured a 2,000+ square-foot living room with three massive chandeliers and an enormous floor-to-ceiling stone fireplace), will also be instrumental in introducing the look and attitude that will define the ?hippie? counterculture (although the Zappa crew preferred the label ?Freak?). Nevertheless, Zappa (born, curiously enough, on the Winter Solstice of 1940) never really made a secret of the fact that he had nothing but contempt for the ?hippie? culture that he helped create and that he surrounded himself with.
Given that Zappa was, by numerous accounts, a rigidly authoritarian control-freak and a supporter of U.S. military actions in Southeast Asia, it is perhaps not surprising that he would not feel a kinship with the youth movement that he helped nurture. And it is probably safe to say that Frank?s dad also had little regard for the youth culture of the 1960s, given that Francis Zappa was, in case you were wondering, a chemical warfare specialist assigned to ? where else? ? the Edgewood Arsenal. Edgewood is, of course, the longtime home of America?s chemical warfare program, as well as a facility frequently cited as being deeply enmeshed in MK-ULTRA operations. Curiously enough, Frank Zappa literally grew up at the Edgewood Arsenal, having lived the first seven years of his life in military housing on the grounds of the facility. The family later moved to Lancaster, California, near Edwards Air Force Base, where Francis Zappa continued to busy himself with doing classified work for the military/intelligence complex. His son, meanwhile, prepped himself to become an icon of the peace & love crowd. Again, nothing unusual about that, I suppose.
Zappa?s manager, by the way, is a shadowy character by the name of Herb Cohen, who had come out to L.A. from the Bronx with his brother Mutt just before the music and club scene began heating up. Cohen, a former U.S. Marine, had spent a few years traveling the world before his arrival on the Laurel Canyon scene. Those travels, curiously, had taken him to the Congo in 1961, at the very time that leftist Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba was being tortured and killed by our very own CIA. Not to worry though; according to one of Zappa?s biographers, Cohen wasn?t in the Congo on some kind of nefarious intelligence mission. No, he was there, believe it or not, to supply arms to Lumumba ?in defiance of the CIA.? Because, you know, that is the kind of thing that globetrotting ex-Marines did in those days (as we?ll see soon enough when we take a look at another Laurel Canyon luminary).
Making up the other half of Laurel Canyon?s First Family is Frank?s wife, Gail Zappa, known formerly as Adelaide Sloatman. Gail hails from a long line of career Naval officers, including her father, who spent his life working on classified nuclear weapons research for the U.S. Navy. Gail herself had once worked as a secretary for the Office of Naval Research and Development (she also once told an interviewer that she had ?heard voices all [her] life?). Many years before their nearly simultaneous arrival in Laurel Canyon, Gail had attended a Naval kindergarten with ?Mr. Mojo Risin?? himself, Jim Morrison (it is claimed that, as children, Gail once hit Jim over the head with a hammer). The very same Jim Morrison had later attended the same Alexandria, Virginia high school as two other future Laurel Canyon luminaries ? John Phillips and Cass Elliott.
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html
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Fuck Bono. (this should be a thread)
Various Lou Reed/Velvet tracks serve as time stamps in my otherwise boring life. A loss for music and New York.
But the real question is - How's the John Varvatos (brought to you by CBGB) store going to respond!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Plus the light bulb lantern face guy next to Don.
Sweet, sweet bulbs. I wouldn't say Zappa and Lou are total opposites. Lou being a hippy-hater? So was Zappa, he was just more satirical about it and that sense of irony is often lost. Zappa was a hardcore Repub who never used illicit substances, for example.
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great points all around really. I mean, I've had a few very good friends who I bonded with deeply in other musical realms and other cultural/philosophical areas also but they could never turn me around about Frank. I also knew an older guy who worked for him in the 60s..He had a huge Krassner/RAW streak, and that is a fairly respectable vibe. No doubt there was a big shitbag of NYC Rolling Stone limo. liberal "rockcrit" bias against Zappa for his individualistic take but...Steve Vai. ahem⚀⚀ My memory of the PMRC hearings is of Zappa, Denver and, uhm, some NYer who was certainly not Lou Reed..oh, and sniff my anal vapors being read into the congressional record.
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It's too bad Lou got pilloried for "Metal Machine Music" because it would have been interesting to see what else he could do in that realm, akin to Zappa's later computer/electronic music ("Civilization Part III" destroys, say, the entire Warp catalog past, present, future).
I'm not a Zappa-hater, but this is one of the most inaccurate things ever posted on this board. Prog rock Residents rip-offs by Zappa do not exist in the same reality as Richard D. James Album, or Autechre. I take it you're over forty years old and you haven't done acid in a long while, if ever.
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Love Beefheart, hate Zappa. Haven't heard "Bongo Fury" yet. Zappa estate working on "Trout Mask Replica" remaster from the original tapes according to The Wire. Good news, though those bastards charged me over $30USD for a CD (!) of the original "Bat Chain Puller". Gots to keep them in the style to which they've becone accustomed I suppose. Does that mean >$50USD for a "TMR" 2CD with bonus tracks?!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DEz-0JphioA
"There?s only one great occupation that can change the world, that?s real rock and roll. I believe to the bottom of my heart to the last cell that rock and roll can change anything. And I?m a graduate of Warhol university and I believe in the power of punk. To this day, I want to blow it up, thank you."
Lou Reed acceptance speech GQ Men Of The Year Awards 4 September 2013
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Peach, while I agree Frank & Lou are NOT the polar opposites their Verve era legends say, I do wanna clarify that FZ was, if anything, a hardcore libertarian (with an authoritarian streak concerning his intellectual property) & capitalist. (He was also always very anti-Reagan, anti- "religious" right.) Remember too, FZ went to jail on a bullshit 'pornography' charge for making simulated sex noises on a Z-film soundtrack in 1964, was censored on Verve etc...
Ah yes, you are 100% correct on this. It's been a while since I've spent any familiarity in the FZ world, but you've nailed his politics far more accurately-he was certainly pretty far right despite how I've heard him referred to at least once as the "musical Abbie Hoffman." Which is total crap. But I also agree with you Judge about FZ post 1970 being of more personal interest than Lou post 1970.
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I'd like some Re-evolution too.
Love Beefheart, hate Zappa. Haven't heard "Bongo Fury" yet. Zappa estate working on "Trout Mask Replica" remaster from the original tapes according to The Wire. Good news, though those bastards charged me over $30USD for a CD (!) of the original "Bat Chain Puller". Gots to keep them in the style to which they've becone accustomed I suppose. Does that mean >$50USD for a "TMR" 2CD with bonus tracks?!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DEz-0JphioA
"There?s only one great occupation that can change the world, that?s real rock and roll. I believe to the bottom of my heart to the last cell that rock and roll can change anything. And I?m a graduate of Warhol university and I believe in the power of punk. To this day, I want to blow it up, thank you."
Lou Reed acceptance speech GQ Men Of The Year Awards 4 September 2013
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It's too bad Lou got pilloried for "Metal Machine Music" because it would have been interesting to see what else he could do in that realm, akin to Zappa's later computer/electronic music ("Civilization Part III" destroys, say, the entire Warp catalog past, present, future).
I'm not a Zappa-hater, but this is one of the most inaccurate things ever posted on this board. Prog rock Residents rip-offs by Zappa do not exist in the same reality as Richard D. James Album, or Autechre. I take it you're over forty years old and you haven't done acid in a long while, if ever.
i was going to say the same. early lfo, elecktroids, the whole artificial intelligence series is essential (along with aphex/polygon window and autechre as you mentioned)
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“LOU REED, 71"
the easiest heroes are consistent
but the ones who really shape us
are random maniacs
whose work we stumble across
at times in our lives
we desperately need misdirection
and so it was i met the music of lou reed
through a guy named buzz
who’d bought the first velvets album
but didn’t like it
just the way he hadn’t liked the first mothers album
a month earlier
which meant i got each for a buck
there is literally no way to describe
the way that record hit me
i was a ten year old seventh grader
and the first time i played the album
i was transformed into someone else
someone who knew more than my contemporaries
even if i couldn’t quite shake it all out
lou and john and sterling and moe
gave me much more info
than i could understand
but they did it in a way
i loved so intuitively
with music exploding in such amazing directions
it made sense on a molecular level
and through the years i followed lou
good scenes, bad scenes, he put us through it all
but we kinda paid attention
because, after all
this motherfucker
this lou reed
this electroshocked cocksucking bastard
who put out many more lousy records than good
was the father of everyone i’ve ever known
and i never thought he’d die
and i really miss him
more than i ever thought i would
— Byron Coley
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http://www.spin.com/articles/lou-reed-unleashes-metal-machine-music-nyc/
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This show was unlike anything I have ever experienced in my mere 29 years of existence. I chose that photograph because of the scar, but I never got a confirmed story on what kind of procedure it was from. Did he have metal rods in his arm? My Grandfather lives down the street from Summit High School, so whenever I go to visit I get this other-lifetime-nostalgia for what it must have been like in 1965. RIP.
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Lou was great.
Being from Southern California I can say that Beefheart impressed me like no other. He was from Lancaster. If you've never been to Lancaster, it's one of the most depressing, godforsaken areas in California. That a genius came from Lancaster is mind boggling. I don't care too much for Zappa. He bought the studio the Surfaris recorded "Wipe Out" at. That's pretty cool.
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Stop talking about Zappa.
This hit me harder than I thought it would, considering how I never get sad about musicians dying who I didn't know personally (with the exception of Charles Gocher). I grabbed a used tape of VU & Nico from Eide's entertainment in Pittsburgh when I was in 7th or 8th grade (I had read about them in books I got out from the library about punk rock) and I still remember coming home from some family visit that night and putting the tape in my stereo for the first time. It was rewound to the beginning of side two so 'Heroin' was the first track, which I had read so much about, but it didn't prepare me for the searing drone of viola (which I thought was feedback) and the intensity of it. I actually was scared by music, for the first and last time.
I continually go back to those records and as I've gotten older (i'm 33 now) different things make sense to me. Now Loaded is my jam, and nuthin' is more beautiful that 'Oh Sweet'.... Let me eulogise here, cause this is huge. Only the death of Dylan wlll matter as much.
I hate people telling me who is 'important' but it's true; no one besides Dylan and the VU impacted meaningful music (to me) as much (Stooges and Beatles are behind them, sure) and when Springsteen or Jagger kick it, there will surely be bigger waves of grief in popular culture, but you and I, we know the truth.
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That's a weird mixture of people! Isreali scientists name new spider after Lou Reed - from a Zambian newspaper...
http://www.timeslive.co.za/scitech/2012/05/25/scientists-name-new-israeli-spider-after-rocker-lou-reed (http://www.timeslive.co.za/scitech/2012/05/25/scientists-name-new-israeli-spider-after-rocker-lou-reed)
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Why is Byron Coley's eulogy
broken up into these, like,
unpunctuated lines of irregular length?
And YOU. Oh, brother. Eulogies are narcissistic, so your vulgarity passes.
The thing about Lou is, I really liked the guy. He was a little bigger than most of us. The city is emptier without him; it hurts.
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The Ecstatic Peace Poetry Manifesto:
Write some shit that
Comes to mind
when yr stoned
Omit punctuation
Break it up into
Lines at random
So it looks
Less like prose
Never edit yrself
Never read any actual
poetry
Bukowski Richard
Hell and BOC
"R" good enough
Trust that yr readership
Will not notice
B/c to paraphrase
Record
Collectors
Are the secret arbiters
Of the universe
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Byron's eulogy is vulgar and stupid beyond belief. Even now BC thinks he knows something others don't, and it gives him permission to call the man a cocksucker -- in his eulogy. Yes, I know, the famous line. And the electroshock therapy. And all the other bits and pieces that writers borrow for their own ends.
I'm interested to read Christgau's; thx for the link.
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I've scanned a bunch of eulogies, and they all suck. Byron's was one of the least sucky.
Sorry
I mean that
The sep'ration and colloquial
isms add "wait"
To our shrinkwrapped chestshitter
And hero
End Punctuation
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Eulogies are narcissistic.
The city is emptier without him.
These two
sentences sum
up my
impression
of
The Situation
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VELVET UNDERGROUND & NEGRO
...this would have been a great halloween coverband
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All the Ecstatic Peace poetry people have pretty terrible taste in poetry.
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Coley's eulogy is very clearly rushed, slapdash -- shitty.
Legs McNeil trots out the same three Lou mem'ries he's traded on for the past several decades, and they're even dimmer now than they were the first dozen times 'round.
Christgau can, at the very least, write. Coley has flashes of illumination, but every time I read him (and, for that matter, pretty much any grad of Forced Exposure U), I sense insecure posturing and hollow nihilistic affectations (a la Meltzer, who could also write). See: Albini.
I'm not all that affected by Lou's passing, but I did give the third LP a spin at work the other day 'cuz it was the only VU I'd handy. The solo on "What Goes On" sounded particularly great. But then I remembered Loaded, and the subsequent horrible (and never-ending!) solo career, and the putrid bobbleheaded cult o' personality -- hey, at least David Crosby cut one really good solo LP -- and after threading through a litany of dime/duz Facebook eulogies and etc., I felt every bit the hollow husk of a whogivesafuck this side of the morning's unmade bed. I stepped out to grab a cup of coffee while the rec continued to play, and some tourist bought it when I returned.
Hey: Lou was tin-pan alley with a pulse. He wasn't an artist. Which is fine -- he didn't have to be. (Cale did.) But he definitely thought of himself that way, and the recs he made under those pretenses aren't fit to line a birdcage. And now the pulse is gone, and I've still never read any grand stories about a rock journo decking the guy in his face. What Christgau wouldn't say is that Lou, of all the world's bitchiest rockers, would've deserved it.
RIP, Lou.
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Coley's eulogy is very clearly rushed, slapdash -- shitty.
I've scanned a bunch of eulogies, and they all suck. Byron's was one of the least sucky.
i agree with both these Byron's eulogy is vulgar and stupid beyond belief. Even now BC thinks he knows something others don't, and it gives him permission to call the man a cocksucker -- in his eulogy. Yes, I know, the famous line. And the electroshock therapy. And all the other bits and pieces that writers borrow for their own ends.
I'm interested to read Christgau's; thx for the link.
but this...i mean, really?
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http://www.salon.com/2013/10/29/i_loved_lou_reed_more_than_you/
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its weird - about a month ago, I had a dream that Lou Reed tried to beat me up for making fun of his music
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Coley's eulogy is very clearly rushed, slapdash -- shitty.
I've scanned a bunch of eulogies, and they all suck. Byron's was one of the least sucky.
i agree with both these Byron's eulogy is vulgar and stupid beyond belief. Even now BC thinks he knows something others don't, and it gives him permission to call the man a cocksucker -- in his eulogy. Yes, I know, the famous line. And the electroshock therapy. And all the other bits and pieces that writers borrow for their own ends.
I'm interested to read Christgau's; thx for the link.
but this...i mean, really?
Yeah.
Byron's a minor public figure, which is why he wrote an obit in the first place. Writing an obit or a eulogy implies that the author has some kind of relationship with the deceased, and that people want to know how the writer feels about him. Nobody said Byron had to write an obit. He volunteered it. And it's shitty, and it's not a poem, and it trades in these stock tales and cliches about Lou that say very little about who he was. A cocksucker? You mean a guy who has sex with men, or a son of a bitch? Both? Well, what's that got to do with you, Byron? Or with any of us? It's a way of claiming power over him, and it's vulgar and stupid and shameful 'cos Byron can't even string together a convincing 100-word "poem" to save his life, and he's calling this guy, the bisexual man who wrote "White Light/White Heat" and "I'll Be Your Mirror" and "What Goes On," a cocksucker. Because Lou at some point called himself a cocksucker, out of pride or just to fuck with people, who knows. It reminds me of Thurston in "1991: The Year Punk Broke," making "here, doggie," noises at Iggy Pop. As if. That sentiment shows him to be a small minded person with no imagination, whose only conception of Lou is as this transgressive asshole who, more or less (and unwittingly) gave birth to the assholic culture of "cool" that Byron calls home, where Byron has currency. I mean, the least you can do when a person dies is acknowledge their humanity, right?. No: the least you can do is shut the fuck up and not make it about you.
This isn't about sacred cows, etc.; it's about basic human principles, and measure.
Sorry, friend: it just pisses me off, and I thought I was clear enough in the first place.
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Coley's eulogy is very clearly rushed, slapdash -- shitty.
I've scanned a bunch of eulogies, and they all suck. Byron's was one of the least sucky.
i agree with both these Byron's eulogy is vulgar and stupid beyond belief. Even now BC thinks he knows something others don't, and it gives him permission to call the man a cocksucker -- in his eulogy. Yes, I know, the famous line. And the electroshock therapy. And all the other bits and pieces that writers borrow for their own ends.
I'm interested to read Christgau's; thx for the link.
but this...i mean, really?
Yeah.
Byron's a minor public figure, which is why he wrote an obit in the first place. Writing an obit or a eulogy implies that the author has some kind of relationship with the deceased, and that people want to know how the writer feels about him. Nobody said Byron had to write an obit. He volunteered it. And it's shitty, and it's not a poem, and it trades in these stock tales and cliches about Lou that say very little about who he was. A cocksucker? You mean a guy who has sex with men, or a son of a bitch? Both? Well, what's that got to do with you, Byron? Or with any of us? It's a way of claiming power over him, and it's vulgar and stupid and shameful 'cos Byron can't even string together a convincing 100-word "poem" to save his life, and he's calling this guy, the bisexual man who wrote "White Light/White Heat" and "I'll Be Your Mirror" and "What Goes On," a cocksucker. Because Lou at some point called himself a cocksucker, out of pride or just to fuck with people, who knows. It reminds me of Thurston in "1991: The Year Punk Broke," making "here, doggie," noises at Iggy Pop. As if. That sentiment shows him to be a small minded person with no imagination, whose only conception of Lou is as this transgressive asshole who, more or less (and unwittingly) gave birth to the assholic culture of "cool" that Byron calls home, where Byron has currency. I mean, the least you can do when a person dies is acknowledge their humanity, right?. No: the least you can do is shut the fuck up and not make it about you.
This isn't about sacred cows, etc.; it's about basic human principles, and measure.
Sorry, friend: it just pisses me off, and I thought I was clear enough in the first place.
yeah look, no probs. it just seemed a touch harsh, but thanks for taking the time to clarify your objection. appreciated.
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Did Byron Coley give one of your records a bad review or something?
Dude....
Coley turned me on to some cool shit when I was a hick in the sticks back in the day... He gets a LIFETIME PASS from me, eggheaded poetry/eulogy ain't gonna change that...
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No, asshole. He gave it a good one.
Dude, what difference does it
make?
I'm not asking you to hate
the
guy.
I like Forced Exposure as much as the next guy.
I just think his eulogy sucks,
it's really arrogant
and insulting and record-nerdish, and so what.
Next time I see him I can't look at him,
'cos this is what I think.
I'm sure he's thankful for your generous lifetime pass, O Ye Who Do Not Judge.
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Unless you think
In Heaven,
when Byron finally meets Lou
Byron will have the nerve to go up to
him
and go, "You electroshocked cocksucker"
And Lou will give him the time of day
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For the record
(npi)
I posted a rude remark about the dead Beastie Boy
because I do not know him
and I did not feel sad when he died
but I do not pretend to be his EQUAL
And no I would never even approach him
in real life (nor in death)
because I have nothing
to say to him
nor he to me
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But I did feel bad
that my remark made
some of my friends feel
bad
so I admit it was ill advised
tho' I still find it funny
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And I just realized,
it's kinda funny
that Byron Coley gets a lifetime pass
from some of you
but not so Lou
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And I just realized,
it's kinda funny
that Byron Coley gets a lifetime pass
from some of you
but not so Lou
coley has no lifetime pass from me
in fact i got a major gripe with the guy
not about a bad review tho
'cause i never gotten anything positves
from the guy
big stinkin' deal...
i just thought he wrote
it from as some kinda irreverent ode
from a true life time fan boy
and maybe
a reaction to syrupy
over the top eulogies/r.i.p's
that flowed
but i dunno thats just my take
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Byron Coley hates Joni Mitchell. Hey, what a statement.
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first fallout from his death
the jonas brothers broke up
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I've never met Byron Coley.
I've never been to New York City, where some of you live.
Coley had a column in the back of fuckin' Spin Magazine, which I bought at a gas station in a town of 3,000 people, where I lived at the time. A long time ago, really...
I don't really follow what Coley has written, nor do I follow what any music critics write, really... Snippets here and there. I don't look at the name of somebody reviewing a record anymore...
I'm SUPERIOR TO YOU ALL.
I did read his eulogy/poem as it was some fanboy blurt, but it wasn't as bad as some of you make it out to be.
I generally don't have time to cultivate wordy and insightful threads on this message board anymore, but I have 3 vacation days off of work which I'm spending at home, so maybe I'll be foolish enough to waste my time on some of this shit over the coming days...
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Barbara Billingsley died, so did Carol Burnett.
You !!!!
Heartless !
Cunts !!
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read whett again and get over thine self.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c8-OtQZ9_8
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Byron's probably better served in his own thread, but I agree with Whet Bull about the shittyness of the eulogy but also, if The Collected Music Writings of Byron Coley were ever published, I'd be the first person to buy it. I met him once and the experience left a bit to be desired. When he dies, I'll write a eulogy to him about that experience.
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Coley has impacted my life in so much greater a fashion than Lou Reed that it's silly to even compare the two. Lou made several great albums with a seminal band (and some neat-o exploit-teener dance numbers previously); every single solo record SUCKED, as stated by m-feld above; I love the Metal Machine Music concept, and have the 8-track sitting out so it's occasionally in my purview. I love VU, and they are amongst the all-time greats. However, like Swampy, I lived out in the middle of nowhere growing up. Forced Exposure (and Coley in Spin, B-Side, and many other contributions) opened up the window to VU and an entire world of music and "the arts." Philip K Dick, Coley. Meltzer, Coley. Rory Hayes, Coley. And on down the line. There was no internet, there were no fellow travelers, it was only mags like Forced Exposure that gave me access to the good stuff, and none were more important to me than Coley.
His poetry sucks. He's goofy as a talking head. But to this day, he does more positive shit than Lou has done in decades. Fuck Lou Reed - he was truly a remorseless fucking asshole - we've all read Transformer, no? I didn't know him, I don't care about the effusive praise of his garbage solo work or even his important work in VU (what's some clueless shitneck going to tell me that I don't already know?). He died in the early 70s anyway.
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Since we're eulogizing Byron, let me say that his Underground column in Spin was really important to me as a kid growing up in a provincial corner of the world, and that I got a lot out of his stuff in Forced Exposure when I was real young and trying to work out the lay of the land. I've met him a bunch of times and liked him well enough. He sold me a bunch of good records and was always instructive, never a snob. He still writes good reviews for Wire.
That said, I dunno how much reverence one ought to pay any record reviewer / collector / critic, and he's done his fair share of garbage in the past twenty years. Come the fuck on.
I'm all for slaying (or tipping) sacred cows; he's a sacred cow too, he just happens to be closer to all of us in stature and he's "our man in the field," etc., for what that's worth.
I don't even care about Lou's solo career very much. That's not really the point.
I meant "vulgar" as in _____, not as in _____.
XO,
WB
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I hear ya, and I don't fully disagree, but I do disagree somewhat.
Lou Reed - he died.
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That said, I dunno how much reverence one ought to pay any record reviewer / collector / critic, and he's done his fair share of garbage in the past twenty years. Come the fuck on.
I agree, but I dunno how much reverence's due any single person. That's why eulogies suck, celebrity or otherwise.
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I like a lot of Lou Reed solo stuff. Certainly more than what most around these parts do. I can't really defend it as a lot of it really does seem deliberately bad. I like his lyrics, though, and watching him try (and often fail )to merge Brill Building and folk and avant-garde and the whole street tough rocker thing.
Anyway . . . for all the people who dismiss his solo career as garbage, do you honestly not think Transformer is a good or even great album? Apply the David Crosby blind taste test to Trasnformer and tell me that's it's not a glam/proto classic. I understand the need to knee-jerk hard in the opposite direction when postmortem adulation starts pouring in, but come on, Transformer is great. The again, I like "Dirty Blvd" and "Egg Cream."
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I'm not going to turn this into an anti-Lou thread, but the best part of Transformer is Ronson's guitar. That said, his production work (w/ Bowie) is pretty dismal.
I don't care much about VU's pop era, from which the best songs on this LP are holdovers.
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the best part of Transformer is Ronson's guitar.
It is pretty great.
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Lou Reed made more than a few thoroughly enjoyable solo records (Street Hassle, The Bells, Berlin, to name 3). I grew up with the internet and in a city, so I'll never fully appreciate the impact of Forced Exposure and Sassy Magazine. I used to listen to the Velvets a lot and I still do. They are one of the reasons I get high.
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Im with eric, transformer is way overrated, ronson's gtr is the saving grace...its an enjoyable record but most of it is filler and kinda generic rnr without the big hooks to make it worthwhile.....not a classic by any means. I think most of lou's solo recs are good at best. The 1st two velvets are his Masterwork...
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Lou Reed made more than a few thoroughly enjoyable solo records (Street Hassle, The Bells, Berlin, to name 3). I grew up with the internet and in a city, so I'll never fully appreciate the impact of Forced Exposure and Sassy Magazine. I used to listen to the Velvets a lot and I still do. They are one of the reasons I get high.
I'm starting to think this may be a joke account.
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Lou Reed made more than a few thoroughly enjoyable solo records (Street Hassle, The Bells, Berlin, to name 3). I grew up with the internet and in a city, so I'll never fully appreciate the impact of Forced Exposure and Sassy Magazine. I used to listen to the Velvets a lot and I still do. They are one of the reasons I get high.
I'm starting to think this may be a joke account.
Really?
What's so funny about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP5J_sAqKCs
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This
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hoot.
Garbonzo beans.
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ranch
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husband pleasin' indeed
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66qe76gkCxo
One of the many songs that show why this man was one of my favourite guitarists and songwriters. I've tried counting how many bands I got into because of VU and LR and lost count by the time I reached 215. I'll miss you loads Lou. The bestest of the best.
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Scrod Prickknee's
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Transplant Liver into piece of
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http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/oct/30/metallica-lars-ulrich-lou-reed-rocknroll-poetry
lets strengthen the battle lines
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What battle line you idiot?
The Metallica collaboration was BRILLIANT.
PIECE OF SHIT GET YOUR IDEA OF BRILLIANT CHECKED. PIECE OF SHIT.
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fUCKIng indie punk mongoloid.
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Yet Sony dares to sully Lou's good name by using one of his tunes to flog the new Playstation.
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I bet Marty Feldman's mum
listens to all is records
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My mom likes Mary Chapin Carpenter and Enya. That song you posted from New York is a piece of shit.
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our mum has
better taste than
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Let's get it back to some realz talk
http://blog.wblakegray.com/2013/10/lou-reed-and-natural-wine-movement.html
I think the point of the natural wine movement is not in the wines it makes today, though like the original Velvet Underground songs, some of them are fragile tinctures of frightening pain and beauty.
Rather, I think the natural wine movement today will be viewed in 2035 as Velvet Underground was viewed by 1990. Just about every good and talented winemaker will have been influenced by it.
The story of wine in the 20th century was the story of the advance of technology, and this has been a tremendous boon for wine lovers. The fresh, fruit-driven wines of today simply would not exist without many of the technological advances that some natural winemakers shun.
Most of today's wine is high-fi. But there's a tiny, unpopular undercurrent of low-fi, and one day it might prove more important than any wine that's selling stacks of cases in Costco.
"Velvet Underground & Nico" was released in 1967. A site that compiles best-album rankings now lists it as the second-best album of 1967, behind The Beatles' "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band."
You know what the top-selling album of 1967 was? "More of the Monkees." Ask yourself, in 30 years, will the best wines have a little Velvet Underground in them ... or will they be more of the Monkees?
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http://www.etsy.com/listing/167282687/rip-lou-reed-shirt-silver-shirt?utm_source=OpenGraph&utm_medium=PageTools&utm_campaign=Share
A must own for any real fan!!!
(http://img1.etsystatic.com/030/0/6276524/il_570xN.518555379_exud.jpg)
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Anybody ever hear this?
http://nortonrecords.gostorego.com/real-kids-foggy-notion.html
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Meanwhile, no one can validate Lou Reed as etc. Just as a personality. Cool. Fuck you guys. Eulogies should be an earnest assessment. Especially for a public figure. But this is church, I guess. How comfy.
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http://www.etsy.com/listing/167282687/rip-lou-reed-shirt-silver-shirt?utm_source=OpenGraph&utm_medium=PageTools&utm_campaign=Share
A must own for any real fan!!!
(http://img1.etsystatic.com/030/0/6276524/il_570xN.518555379_exud.jpg)
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Meanwhile, no one can validate Lou Reed as etc. Just as a personality. Cool. Fuck you guys. Eulogies should be an earnest assessment. Especially for a public figure. But this is church, I guess. How comfy.
What are you talking about? Is this even English? Since when does Lou Reed (or anyone for that matter) need validation from some dorks on a message board. I get it, you don't like his solo work. I do. I was listening to Street Hassle a couple days before he died. I enjoy his solo work. So do a lot of my friends.
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Lou's suggested listening specs for the recent MMM remaster:
"I myself bought a Linn to celebrate this great sound and am playing it through Wilson Watts and Puppies. Hear it as we did on Scott Hull's Duntechcs"
Linn Sondek LP12: Belt-drive two-speed turntable in Basik, Valhalla, and Lingo versions.
LP12 Basik: $1395?$1495, depending on finish.
LP12 Valhalla: $1745?$1845, depending on finish.
LP12 Lingo: $2645?$2745, depending on finish.
Wilson Watts and Puppies (speakers) the WATT/Puppy System 8: $27,900/pair.
"Priceless."
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http://www.etsy.com/listing/167282687/rip-lou-reed-shirt-silver-shirt?utm_source=OpenGraph&utm_medium=PageTools&utm_campaign=Share
A must own for any real fan!!!
(http://img1.etsystatic.com/030/0/6276524/il_570xN.518555379_exud.jpg)
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you can imagine Iggy seeing this......'Shit, I've only got 8 weeks left.....max'!!
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Transplant Liver into piece of
shit Scrod
Wow, are you embarrassingly bad at this or what? I don't know whether to laugh at your pathetic face or weep for your family.
Krautrock
is
Dumb
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Meanwhile, no one can validate Lou Reed as etc. Just as a personality. Cool. Fuck you guys. Eulogies should be an earnest assessment. Especially for a public figure. But this is church, I guess. How comfy.
What are you talking about? Is this even English? Since when does Lou Reed (or anyone for that matter) need validation from some dorks on a message board. I get it, you don't like his solo work. I do. I was listening to Street Hassle a couple days before he died. I enjoy his solo work. So do a lot of my friends.
I was kind of kidding, but not really.
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Meanwhile, no one can validate Lou Reed as etc. Just as a personality. Cool. Fuck you guys. Eulogies should be an earnest assessment. Especially for a public figure. But this is church, I guess. How comfy.
What are you talking about? Is this even English? Since when does Lou Reed (or anyone for that matter) need validation from some dorks on a message board. I get it, you don't like his solo work. I do. I was listening to Street Hassle a couple days before he died. I enjoy his solo work. So do a lot of my friends.
I too love his solo work. I heard VU and Nico first, but then the next thing I heard was this weird dj release pressing thing that had a couple of tracks off Rock And Roll Animal and The Blue Mask. For some reason, Average Guy stood out most of all to my hungry, twisted 14 year old brain.
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hey YOU GUYS HAD ENOUGH LOU REED EULOGIES YET??/
cause here's like 47 more: http://thewire.co.uk/in-writing/essays/ (http://thewire.co.uk/in-writing/essays/)
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Lou's suggested listening specs for the recent MMM remaster:
"I myself bought a Linn to celebrate this great sound and am playing it through Wilson Watts and Puppies. Hear it as we did on Scott Hull's Duntechcs"
Linn Sondek LP12: Belt-drive two-speed turntable in Basik, Valhalla, and Lingo versions.
LP12 Basik: $1395?$1495, depending on finish.
LP12 Valhalla: $1745?$1845, depending on finish.
LP12 Lingo: $2645?$2745, depending on finish.
Wilson Watts and Puppies (speakers) the WATT/Puppy System 8: $27,900/pair.
"Priceless."
One can assume he went with the Lingo option. That's minus cartridge, of course.
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http://thewire.co.uk/in-writing/essays/lou-reed-1942-2013_byron-coley_lou-reed-is-dead
this one might get Coley back on Loy's christmas card list
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Transplant Liver into piece of
shit Scrod
Wow, are you embarrassingly bad at this or what? I don't know whether to laugh at your pathetic face or weep for your family.
Krautrock
is
Dumb
Fuck Kratutrock.
I'd just like to point out that you're the old man who spends too much of his own time pontificating on a messageboard with the sort of insipid bullshit you come up with on a regular basis. How pathetic is that?
Tedious record collectors are dumb too.
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Well, I'm not a record collector and with the exception of this morning sitting here waiting for someone to get ready, I generally only post while bored at work. So in reality I don't spend any of my "own time" on here, or at least very little. You are not at all funny and you add no insight into conversations, so you are the very definition of "tedious." Nice work digging yourself a bigger hole, stupid!
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Who said I am funny? And what makes you think that I'd ever want to add insight into any conversations you participate in? I'd rather chop both my hands off than typing anything remotely entertaining to you.
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Who said I am funny? And what makes you think that I'd ever want to add insight into any conversations you participate in? I'd rather chop both my hands off than typing anything remotely entertaining to you.
It's a public forum - I can see everything you've ever posted here, idiot. I wish you would chop off your hands.
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Who said I am funny? And what makes you think that I'd ever want to add insight into any conversations you participate in? I'd rather chop both my hands off than typing anything remotely entertaining to you.
It's a public forum - I can see everything you've ever posted here, idiot. I wish you would chop off your hands.
He could probably still type with his prick, or..... his knee....hey, are you the two guys fighting on the Radiohead thread? It's at least one of you isn't it?
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Who said I am funny? And what makes you think that I'd ever want to add insight into any conversations you participate in? I'd rather chop both my hands off than typing anything remotely entertaining to you.
It's a public forum - I can see everything you've ever posted here, idiot. I wish you would chop off your hands.
Ok. I'll chop off my hands. Bored now.
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