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Terminal Boardumb => Non-Music Shit => Topic started by: existentialasshole on May 01, 2017, 06:39:14 PM
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Everyone knows one, the dude who dresses the part, goes to shoes etc but at the end of the day it's all about Jesus. I don't hate on the faith, have some very good devout friends but just always seemed like a weird paradox. I guess I'd say for the most part people's taste in music lines up with their lifestyles but maybe I'm wrong.
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Thankfully, I don't know any people like that.
But I'm chiming in anyway because I recently scored a copy of this Altar Boys LP at the Salvation Army, and I'll be GODDAMNED if it ain't half bad. It's very 80s SoCal punk/powerpop, because that's when/where it originated - I can hear Paul Collins Beat, Descendents, Adolescents, even a little Angry Samoans in it. There's even one song that has a Real Kids vibe to it. If you can get past the lyrics (which really aren't that obtrusive, and don't bother me too much because I'm a shaolin master of tuning lyrics out), I recommend picking it up if you see it. Undervalued IMHO.
SIDE NOTE: this makes me doubt my own memory, but I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD I was watching TV circa 1994 and there was a Jesus-loving punk rock band on Geraldo or Sally or Springer that fucking RIPPED and sounded a lot like New Bomb Turks.
https://www.discogs.com/Altar-Boys-Altar-Boys/release/3903958 (https://www.discogs.com/Altar-Boys-Altar-Boys/release/3903958)
(https://img.discogs.com/dWOdfwXZoYFO71Wk14PV9TLVDAM=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-3903958-1348693681-4994.jpeg.jpg)
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Don't sleep on Undercover. These X-ians were WILD!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQQkyVxC7pI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQQkyVxC7pI)
I saw The Lead back in 1988. Some Christians booked the punk venue in Flint in an effort to fool the kids. An older pal of mine- in his 30s at that point- talked to the band and basically refused to believe they were for real. He insisted it was schtick and he congratulated them on sticking to it.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ihqpQICC7M0/UYVhv4PHQwI/AAAAAAAAPKM/8rPlEBoytzg/s320/101074_photo.jpg)
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Thankfully, I don't know any people like that.
But I'm chiming in anyway because I recently scored a copy of this Altar Boys LP at the Salvation Army, and I'll be GODDAMNED if it ain't half bad. It's very 80s SoCal punk/powerpop, because that's when/where it originated - I can hear Paul Collins Beat, Descendents, Adolescents, even a little Angry Samoans in it. There's even one song that has a Real Kids vibe to it. If you can get past the lyrics (which really aren't that obtrusive, and don't bother me too much because I'm a shaolin master of tuning lyrics out), I recommend picking it up if you see it. Undervalued IMHO.
SIDE NOTE: this makes me doubt my own memory, but I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD I was watching TV circa 1994 and there was a Jesus-loving punk rock band on Geraldo or Sally or Springer that fucking RIPPED and sounded a lot like New Bomb Turks.
https://www.discogs.com/Altar-Boys-Altar-Boys/release/3903958 (https://www.discogs.com/Altar-Boys-Altar-Boys/release/3903958)
(https://img.discogs.com/dWOdfwXZoYFO71Wk14PV9TLVDAM=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-3903958-1348693681-4994.jpeg.jpg)
Dude, this sounds like it could have been on Posh Boy; or at least that "I'm Into God" song that is linked on the discogs page sounds like it could have been on Posh Boy.
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Looking back, 80s X-ian punk and rock was so wrong it was right. These bible beaters did almost everything wrong- style, looks, aesthetics, lyrics, marketing... everything but the music... sometimes...
(http://www.jesusfreakhideout.com/artists/full/altarboys.jpg)
(http://lyrics.christiansunite.com/images/artists/artist_324.jpg)
Undercover's poofy coiffures were str8 outta 1981... in 1984. Sure, Nina Llopis from The Lead looked like a scenester from ABC No Rio, but she is the exception. Most looked like they were styled by some loser manager a half-generation behind the curve. I'm guessing these dudes were mercenary whores who would have gone full-on x-ian rockabilly or x-ian speed metal or hell, drop the x-ian thing altogether if they saw it as a way to get ahead. Dated aesthetics notwithstanding they now look so square, they are "outsider cool".
(https://ojotaylor.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/undercover-gyms-studio.jpg)
(http://www.metal-archives.com/images/2/1/4/9/214940_artist.jpg?1330)
The lyrics are a goddamn bludgeon of God-fearing gospel. Take a look at the partial tracklist from Undercover's "God Rules" lp:
Jesus Girl
Jesus For Me
Jesus Is The Best
I Love God
Okay, we get it. Subtlety was not in the cards for Jesus freeks... nor was irony- nothing "undercover" about these disciples of the cross. In contrast x-ian rockers nowadays are quite devilish- hiding their true intentions behind opaque lyrics, secular sounding titles, and ambiguity. You don't know who is a closet christian until you find yourself giving your credit card number to your youth pastor/kavatender. I prefer my God Rock obvious.
(https://img.discogs.com/88XhlSrjg8pHmZPEcAn9KfkSB3w=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-6402547-1418359879-2161.jpeg.jpg)
The album art is almost always cornball and two cycles behind the curve. Images of kids, generous use of pastels, paintbrush fonts. Now Greg X. Volz is a cool name, but Petra's album artwork was decade late plagiarism of Boston lps. Not cool. Not X. Koolz.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2e/ab/72/2eab72f05dfc7cec1c6913ebcd74bb33.jpg)
All in all, it didn't matter back then because Christian bookstores had the market on lockdown. DIY bible punx like Malignus Youth were the exception. You want holy punk, you gotta go to Zondervan Books and shell out $13.99 for that Altar Boys cassette... and that is the best you can hope for because mom won't allow satanic heathen rock in the house.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/73TDbfcDO5I/maxresdefault.jpg)
Even breakthrough icons Stryper started out on Myrhh- Honeytree's label for gawd's sake. You gotta admit though, the Yellow and Black Attack's Rapid Response Vehicle was tres cool and must have cost mega-tithings. Yes, everything changed when Stryper went major label, but while they were enjoying arenas and bared titties, the Christians started to step up their game and branch out. The next generation was markedly less over-bearing (Officer Negative's JCHC being a notable exception), and more willing to co-mingle with non-believers... and with that you got dumb shit like Flatfoot 66's Christian Oi! and Anti-World System's Godly D-Beat.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/19/1f/8e/191f8e438369ad42b1680f5b2ea1e375.jpg)
(http://www.theancientstar-song.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Honeytree_Evergreen.sized_.jpg)
(http://img2-ak.lst.fm/i/u/arO/ef7db468da4642b8b1adc647e973f399)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3voWQ0ylAo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3voWQ0ylAo)
(https://img0.etsystatic.com/121/1/11546245/il_340x270.935893000_r0t3.jpg)
(https://img0.etsystatic.com/172/0/11546245/il_340x270.1143420382_9hob.jpg)
Crashdog and The Crucified don't look so bad now, do they?
(http://www.demoarchives.com/Bands/The%20Crucified-Usa/d2.jpg)
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Malignus Youth was really special. I regret not buying their records at the time -- they're impossible to find now. I liked their songwriting but I had no abiding interest in HC in the early '90s. Looking back on it now it amazes me that they accomplished what they did in Sierra Vista, which is a rather desolate military base in SE Arizona. It's extraordinary that they were able to create a viable scene (and enduring, original music) in that small, provincial city. I don't think any interesting music came out of there before or since.
I know they recorded a version of the Catholic mass but as I recall they weren't considered a Christian band, and didn't ID themselves as such. As I heard it, James Martin had been a choirboy and learned harmony from singing in church, so their music is connected with Christian tradition in that sense, but it strikes me as secular music with no evangelical thrust.
The brothers in Dry Rot were / are Christians. I still like their LP, Philistine. (I don't like listening to the bros' Uranium Orchard LP, which might be the only purely olfactory record ever made.)
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Sierra Vista also produced 90 Proof- they did a split with The Templars and had some very good songs.
I just listened to their Catholic Mass- better than Missa Luba. INTENSE!
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Thankfully, I don't know any people like that.
But I'm chiming in anyway because I recently scored a copy of this Altar Boys LP at the Salvation Army, and I'll be GODDAMNED if it ain't half bad. It's very 80s SoCal punk/powerpop, because that's when/where it originated - I can hear Paul Collins Beat, Descendents, Adolescents, even a little Angry Samoans in it. There's even one song that has a Real Kids vibe to it. If you can get past the lyrics (which really aren't that obtrusive, and don't bother me too much because I'm a shaolin master of tuning lyrics out), I recommend picking it up if you see it. Undervalued IMHO.
SIDE NOTE: this makes me doubt my own memory, but I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD I was watching TV circa 1994 and there was a Jesus-loving punk rock band on Geraldo or Sally or Springer that fucking RIPPED and sounded a lot like New Bomb Turks.
https://www.discogs.com/Altar-Boys-Altar-Boys/release/3903958 (https://www.discogs.com/Altar-Boys-Altar-Boys/release/3903958)
(https://img.discogs.com/dWOdfwXZoYFO71Wk14PV9TLVDAM=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-3903958-1348693681-4994.jpeg.jpg)
Dude, this sounds like it could have been on Posh Boy; or at least that "I'm Into God" song that is linked on the discogs page sounds like it could have been on Posh Boy.
And that's not even the best (or the 'punkest') song on it - it's pretty solid all the way around. I'm not into religion in any way, shape, or form, but I'd go so far as to say that as far as music I missed the first time around, this is the best LP from the early-mid 80s that I've heard in a while.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=boBWwthGEjA
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I used to rock this Living Sacrifice tape sometimes when I was a kid. Found it at a headshop and the music was decent enough thrash for an eleven year old, but I could never get with the message. There was some christian metal band that my cousin would gave me tapes of for Christmas or my birthday or something. They weren't allowed to listen to secular music and I guess it was nice he was trying to reach out. I don't remember their name, but I remember the music sucked.
Living Sacrifice - Violence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGxgaks5wGQ
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Just remembered the name of the tape my cousin gave me. It was Tourniquet's Psycho Surgery. Horrible cassette.
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my faves (already posted a while ago I believe)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1yR0xaCizQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2iffTBkImc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbn2OlE0OlU
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Is that a machine gun and some bombs behind the Stryper Mobile? Very peaceful!
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I took a closer look at the Altar Boys lyric sheet, wherein they thank the 'Altar Girls', their wives. They all look like they're fucking 15 and they already have WIVES!!!
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my faves (already posted a while ago I believe)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1yR0xaCizQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2iffTBkImc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbn2OlE0OlU
Thanks. These are amazing. I had no idea about the Rev Counta connection.
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Is that a machine gun and some bombs behind the Stryper Mobile? Very peaceful!
praise the lord and pass the ammunition...
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Thanks. These are amazing. I had no idea about the Rev Counta connection.
me neither though I bought RC LP too a few years back.
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here's one I hadn't heard before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSxFixoBXLQ
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not really "PUNK" but black sabbath is my favorite xian group of all time.
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Ishmael is still around... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahz8Daih-WM
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Surprised that Circle One hasn't been mentioned... Not really a fan of them but seems like the added layer of jesus gives them a strange edge.
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I've read interviews with ex-Circle One members where they are adamant that they are not X-ian. They also maintain that John was not so much a Born Again as a person with extreme mental illness. I do agree that the stage preaching gives Circle One an added cloak of weirdness, though.
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graven image had that weird thing with that song "crown of thorns" where theyre like "we're not saying we're christian but also you shouldn't stop being christian to be cool" or something
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not really "PUNK" but black sabbath is my favorite xian group of all time.
Not sure if you're joking or not, but I've always thought of them in this way too. At least as far as a band, as opposed to an person, can be Christian (it can't be).
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I don't think he was joking and I always considered them to be Christian, too. Very peace loving, anti-war hippies. If you listen to the lyrics, it's the polar opposite of the music. It's total 60's Jesus freak shit. They also wore crosses. Not a huge stretch to assume these guys were religious, if not digging on some 60's spirituality/peace and love vibe.
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For the win: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/black-sabbaths-geezer-butler-i-always-felt-that-god-and-jesus-wanted-us-to-love-each-other/
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It's no joke. Black sanbath are christians.
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Damn, this thread is surprisingly very informative.
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this thread got a lot better responses than I thought it would. thx for the info.
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I picked up a 7" by a band called Lunchbox at a thrift store the other day - the label looked interesting, and I couldn't find any info on it online so I picked it up mostly out of curiosity. It has a side X and a side N, which leads me to believe it's some kind of Christian deal. The music is pretty good, it's melodic hardcore that's strange/unique enough to not sound generic, and manages to sound like it's from '87 or so even though it was released in 1994. Songs are "Intro"/"Lies"//"Life Is Shit". Anybody know anything about this record, or the band?
Here's the Discogs entry I created for it, no photos yet:
http://www.discogs.com/release/11218704 (http://www.discogs.com/release/11218704)
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Things that make me think it is Christian- 1994 pop punk, X/N, record found at a thrift store, childish band name, "Tooth Records"- kinda like Tooth and Nail Records
Things that make me think it isn't Christian- A song called "Life is Shit"- that would be EXTREMELY edgy for a Christian band.
Were there other Christian records at the thrift? Did you check the other 16 Discogs entries for Lunchbox?
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Just remembered the name of the tape my cousin gave me. It was Tourniquet's Psycho Surgery. Horrible cassette.
If I recall correctly, Marty Friedman left Megadeth after he got religion, and joined Tourniquet for a couple albums.
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Lots of skate demos back in the mid/late '90s were at churches in Southern California before the skate park boom. The believers who skated would try to rally all the agnostics to the church. Some brief words about Christ and we'd all skate the ramps. Most of us would just duck out and come back to the ramps in thirty minutes. Met a few good friends there who were there for the same reasons -- quarter pipes and grind boxes. I recall some of the Christian dudes were very hesitant to skate street because they didn't want to grind ledges (destruction) and unlike me with my massive fucking hockey temper, they refused to get mad. I don't think they converted anyone. Strange days. A number of skaters got into religion when the industry collapsed in the early '90s. Some lost their minds (Gator and later on Lennie Kirk had some issues), others used it to rebound (Hosoi). Some got in and walked away (Agah). Whatever gets you through...just don't end up in prison.
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Things that make me think it is Christian- 1994 pop punk, X/N, record found at a thrift store, childish band name, "Tooth Records"- kinda like Tooth and Nail Records
Things that make me think it isn't Christian- A song called "Life is Shit"- that would be EXTREMELY edgy for a Christian band.
Were there other Christian records at the thrift? Did you check the other 16 Discogs entries for Lunchbox?
That was the only record there that was even close, and I DID check out all the other Lunchbox/Lunch Box bands...no dice. Sonically, it's like a less noisy, less angry Husker Du or maybe something like Big Drill Car - it's poppy punk, but not really pop-punk per se. I can't hear anything in the lyrics that would suggest they were on a Jesus trip, but yeah, plenty of other indicators.