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Terminal Boardumb => Non-Music Shit => Topic started by: satanisrealagain on March 31, 2018, 11:14:07 AM
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Was having an interesting conversation with Johnny Strike of CRiME and other stuff about the book and his opinion seems to be it's very misunderstood by young people today. I personally read that book at a very young age(15). And have re read it maybe a dozen or so times since then. I am now 21 and still find it to be a very moving book but have come to view it as a morality tale of how decietful and selfish people can be and really i think provided a very accurate representation of what pedophiles are(usually). The fact that he characterizes humbert as a French intellectual with good social skills is key to understanding the book in itself. And quite frankly i see it misappropriated a lot.(see:ddlg). The use of the word lolita by young people is quite disturbing. I lobe Nabokov veru deeply but he was misunderstood.
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The use of the word lolita by young people is quite disturbing.
Do tell.
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I haven't read the book in ages, although I loved it and thought the writing was elegant when I did. I could be wrong, but I always got the vibe that there was another taboo going on: parental ambivalence. Lol's mom seemed to basically consider her a pain in the ass and a hindrance to her love life; at least that was the vibe I got when I read it. Could be totally off base.
Always saw a similarity between this and "The Great Gatsby" as far as men being hung up on women they knew when they were younger and never moving past it.
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also: Can I get an extension on my term paper? I was in a very bad car accident over Spring Break.
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also: Can I get an extension on my term paper? I was in a very bad car accident over Spring Break.
Alright there old fuck. Maybe you should appreciate the fact I took an interest in the book to begin with instead of being a jaded asshole.
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men being hung up on women they knew when they were younger and never moving past it.
Ouch. Too relatable.
Was also serious when I asked about how young people are throwing the L word around these days. Will not be google-ing it.
Read this creeping on 30 years ago. Like most books I read in my teens, I enjoyed it, but wasn't ready for it and didn't get what I probably could get out of it now. Will pull my copy and get to it it this year.
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I started Pale Fire recently...never realized/knew what it is - the first metafiction work...Use my phone for the phone, the tablet for the notes...and either to look up all the words I don't know...His use of language for a non-native furriner is really impressive...
I guess he plays with the same idea of the untrustworthy narrator in Lolita also...
I remember Pnin being really funny...Also with narrator shenanigans...
And this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bend_Sinister_(novel)
I guess it will be a Fall easter...
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Also if you read Lolita an also enjoyed the works of Louis Carrol you may find yourself questioning the idea of what it really means to be a child. That is an idea Nabokov toyed with a lot in his work Ana or Adore is a very confusing novel honestly and the length in which it deals with the ideas of "family". His work has sent me in so many directions because looking for answers. He is a prime example of someone who was quite frankly veru skeptical of humanity as a whole. And what he said was what he meant but the way in which he said it is just so damm misunderstood by americans.
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also: Can I get an extension on my term paper? I was in a very bad car accident over Spring Break.
Alright there old fuck. Maybe you should appreciate the fact I took an interest in the book to begin with instead of being a jaded asshole.
Sorry, that was a bit salty. I'm glad you brought the book up; there is a lot going on there.
On the men never getting over women tip: "Age Of Innocence" is basically an entire book about a man hung up on a woman his whole life (he never even gets with her). On the female side: "The Dead" by James Joyce and one of the shorts in Salinger's "Nine Stories" are both about married ladies who are still in love with deceased men they dated while younger. And of course Humbert with his beach girl as a kid. There are probably more examples; this seems to be common.
I had an English professor in college who had either taken a course by/gone to a lecture given by Nabokov when he was going to Cornell in the 60's, and he name dropped it constantly. He must have mentioned this a dozen times over the course of one semester, and it had nothing to do with what we were reading. It would just constantly somehow show up.
If you are 21 and like fucked up family shit, read "Revolutionary Road" by Richard Yates. Killer look at an unhappy married couple in suburbia in the 1950's. All sorts of horrible things happen. Probably the best anti-marriage/kids book out there (besides Lolita, which is certainly the best anti-step parent book out there). Masterfully written. Give it a look.
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The late Nanne Tepper, who used to be a regular on this board was one of the world?s premier scholars of the subject of Nabokov and his work and was recognized internationally as such. If you are a fan of Nabokov, i reccomend his book The Happy Hunting Ground, which is translated into English.
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Also if you read Lolita an also enjoyed the works of Louis Carrol you may find yourself questioning the idea of what it really means to be a child. That is an idea Nabokov toyed with a lot in his work Ana or Adore is a very confusing novel honestly and the length in which it deals with the ideas of "family". His work has sent me in so many directions because looking for answers. He is a prime example of someone who was quite frankly veru skeptical of humanity as a whole. And what he said was what he meant but the way in which he said it is just so damm misunderstood by americans.
The title is "Ada, or Ardor." Have you read it?
I'm not sure Nabokov was so misunderstood by Americans. Where is the evidence of this? More people have seen the film than have read the book, and the film is famously different.
I don't think the reader is meant to sympathize with Humbert, who is a pederast and a rapist (also, not French). The game he plays is making Humbert very funny and, according to Humbert himself, very charming. But you only see the story from Humbert's point of view, so you never know the truth of what happened. Humbert is writing from prison, or Hell, and the novel is his apologia or justification. We never hear from Lolita herself, poor thing. You misread Lolita if you conflate Nabokov with Humbert, which you seem to do by likening N to Lewis Carroll, who supposedly was a pederast in life,, which N was not.
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When I first read the book, at the age of 18 or 19, I thought the point of it was that art was above ethics and morality, that the fact that HH had committed those horrible acts was trumped by the fact that it yielded the great comedy of his manuscript. I was wrong: Lolita is very funny but it's also a tragedy, and its author is Nabokov, who condemns HH. HH thinks Lolita's death is ironic; Nabokov knows better: it's just terribly sad, and she is an innocent victim. For HH, Lolita doesn't exist except as a character in his story, because he's a monster and a sociopath.
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I would say Carrol was the inspiration for Humbert Humbert. Nabokov really did enjoy the work of Lewis Carrol. He talks about him a lot in interviews. There's a doc on youtube called "The Lolita Riddle" and whew. Dark stuff. Also Nabokov's obsession with chess is what led him to examine Carrol more throughly. There are chess problems in a lot of his books.
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But yes HH is a damn monster. That's why he's unreliable. Apologies for my spelling i just woke up. But at the same time consider his face to face meeting with Quilty. He hates Quilty with a passion but only because he realizes Quilty is the same thing as him.
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also: Can I get an extension on my term paper? I was in a very bad car accident over Spring Break.
Alright there old fuck. Maybe you should appreciate the fact I took an interest in the book to begin with instead of being a jaded asshole.
Sorry, that was a bit salty. I'm glad you brought the book up; there is a lot going on there.
On the men never getting over women tip: "Age Of Innocence" is basically an entire book about a man hung up on a woman his whole life (he never even gets with her). On the female side: "The Dead" by James Joyce and one of the shorts in Salinger's "Nine Stories" are both about married ladies who are still in love with deceased men they dated while younger. And of course Humbert with his beach girl as a kid. There are probably more examples; this seems to be common.
I had an English professor in college who had either taken a course by/gone to a lecture given by Nabokov when he was going to Cornell in the 60's, and he name dropped it constantly. He must have mentioned this a dozen times over the course of one semester, and it had nothing to do with what we were reading. It would just constantly somehow show up.
If you are 21 and like fucked up family shit, read "Revolutionary Road" by Richard Yates. Killer look at an unhappy married couple in suburbia in the 1950's. All sorts of horrible things happen. Probably the best anti-marriage/kids book out there (besides Lolita, which is certainly the best anti-step parent book out there). Masterfully written. Give it a look.
Yeah i see that a lot. People who attended his lectures seem to be affected by it.
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Did anyone else know Nabokov wanted a midget to play Delores in the Kubrick adaption?
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Also if you read Lolita an also enjoyed the works of Louis Carrol you may find yourself questioning the idea of what it really means to be a child. That is an idea Nabokov toyed with a lot in his work Ana or Adore is a very confusing novel honestly and the length in which it deals with the ideas of "family". His work has sent me in so many directions because looking for answers. He is a prime example of someone who was quite frankly veru skeptical of humanity as a whole. And what he said was what he meant but the way in which he said it is just so damm misunderstood by americans.
The title is "Ada, or Ardor." Have you read it?
I'm not sure Nabokov was so misunderstood by Americans. Where is the evidence of this? More people have seen the film than have read the book, and the film is famously different.
I don't think the reader is meant to sympathize with Humbert, who is a pederast and a rapist (also, not French). The game he plays is making Humbert very funny and, according to Humbert himself, very charming. But you only see the story from Humbert's point of view, so you never know the truth of what happened. Humbert is writing from prison, or Hell, and the novel is his apologia or justification. We never hear from Lolita herself, poor thing. You misread Lolita if you conflate Nabokov with Humbert, which you seem to do by likening N to Lewis Carroll, who supposedly was a pederast in life,, which N was not.
Sorry i wrote that kinda drunk. But yeah I tried to read Ada and i got maybe 300 pages in. It's confusing, his language is...abstract in a way i can't describe. I don't know where my copy is, will have to go re-read. But no I was just commenting on how that subject comes up A LOT in his work. I like Anais Nin a lot too and man. House of Incest. That book is brutal.
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And yes step fathers are usually the worst fucking people. Honestly I am never having kids because man, living with an abusive step parent is hell on earth.
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Honestly it just kinda scares me. Nabokov almost burned the manuscript for it and his wife Vera had to stop him. He knew he was going to be drug through the mud like he was in the press.