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Terminal Boardumb => Music Shit => Topic started by: shauuuun on February 02, 2008, 06:55:29 PM
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Anyone wanna suggest a place that will make something similar to Thingmakers (an all in one, colour, paper sleeve) for under $1 per sleeve? I was gonna use them, but I've been hearing some bad shit about them these days. I am not opposed to going the reg. printed on folded cardboard w/ plastic sleeve route, either, but I really need to keep the cost down as much as possible. Budget is around $300 for 500 sleeves.
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"bad shit" = understatement of the century
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oh, and its a two color design
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i use a local print shop for my 7" sleeves. the prices are good. the work is fine. and they are always on time. i suggest you look around for a local shop that can do it for you. aint too hard if you are doing 7" sleeve. plus you will save on shipping
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I heard a few folx were visiting him this weekend for an exchange of goods, money, or...
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beatdowns
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I am Glad to hear the word is getting around about thingmakers. Fuck them. I am not one to talk shit about people, but they deserve it. I thought maybe I had bad luck with them, but apparently it's not only me.
I am about to get 500 sleeves printed at I love Imprint for under 200 dollars. They are black and white and printed on both sides of the paper, fold over sleeve. So anything else more elaborate can't be too expensive, I would guess anyway. I can't vouch for how good they are, cause I have not received them yet and have never used them before, but I have heard good things about them.
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Is Thingmakers essentially repsonisble for holding up Sweet Rot and Daggerman releases? Anyone else?
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Is Thingmakers essentially repsonisble for holding up Sweet Rot and Daggerman releases?
Yes, 100%. I paid him two months ago and still haven't received the sleeves. I just received an email from him this morning, the first reply I've got from him in over a month, claiming that they shipped yesterday, but we'll see.
Anyone else?
He also just delayed a release by Bachelor Records from Austria for over a couple of months.
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i wholeheartedly endorse imprint. when i did cds, i went through them and the costs were always reasonable, they were on time or ahead of schedule, good communication, and flexible.
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I got the Frustrations sleeves printed through the guy that Scott from X! uses. It was cheap and they were done more or less instantly. You might want to contact Scott. Cheap.
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I had the same troubles with thing makers. Thought it was just bad luck for me, but seems everybody is having the same experience. I've heard from a couple people recently who are having troubles. I'll let them mention it if they want to on here.
I had excellent communication with them prior to payment. Once they had my money it was communication break down. They would not return emails or phone calls for weeks or even months.
I left messages asking what was going on. I was polite, saying things such as "I know things happen, problems unexpectedly occur, personal matters come up....etc. I just need some kind of information so I can feel I am not getting robed of my money, something to tell the bands waiting on their records???' Nothing. Nothing at all for weeks at a time.
When he finally sent me an email saying he mailed them out, I asked for the tracking number. Said he would email it to me, never did. I'd call...if he did answer,.....which was not the case usually, but if he did...he was in the basement....somewhere where he could not get to it right away. I was told he would call back in an hour or email...never did. I'd say another month went by...no sleeves no tracking number....nothing. Then all of the sudden he emails me the tracking number, it showed that they just went out the day before. So he lied about when he sent my package.
He also said for my troubles he was going to give me 500 extra sleeves for free. I had no plans to repress and did not need or want an extra 500 sleeves sitting around my apt. Well he never sent them anyway....
I don't see how they can stay in bussines treating people this way. Fuck them.
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http://www.iloveimprint.com
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well, thingmaker's website is offline so they either quit or didnt renew their domain.
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No, he's still going. Matt's story echoes mine. The dude is really easy to get a hold of before you pay, but after that he disappears. Luckily I let razor shines know about his recent flakiness just in time.
Update: The tracking number he sent me this morning is for a package mailed to France in 2006. I wish I was making that up.
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Thank god you didnt do pre-orders.
YEESH.
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From your good friends at Hozac/Victim of Time
http://www.myspace.com/adnauseamdesign
(http://www.myspace.com/adnauseamdesign)
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I will agree that I love imprint is great! 100% Great dudes, who really understand the small label.
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Agreed on Imprint. They're great quality and they'll handle foldover sleeves as well as glue pockets. I once needed the 45s done REALLY fast and they were able to meet the rush deadline and actually beat it.
Nice people, good prices, good quality.
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i will third Imprint.
i believe it's $330 for 500 full color sleeves. great communication and fast. they just went out of their way to expedite an order for me so i'd have covers in time for a last second record release show.
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envelope sleeves, one color or one color with one spot color
http://www.hamlettprinting.com/
we've used imprint before, too. very nice folks.
if you do the piratespress / recordpressing.com eastern euro deal, 4color envelope is included. but there's other headaches involved with going that route.
if you're just doing a fold-over, you should be able to do it locally. do it locally if you can!
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i had a good experience with hamlett, too
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Is Thingmakers essentially repsonisble for holding up Sweet Rot and Daggerman releases? Anyone else?
This must be why my Pizzas 7" has a "temporary" xeroxed sleeve, eh?
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Anyone know a cheaper source for blank sleeves than Hamlett?
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I've done printing for SEEING EYE RECORDS and FAN KLUB RECORDS, both in Canada.
You're in Canada right???
I live in Ottawa,
send me an email and we'll see if I can do these prints for you.
Ian
ian_manhire@hotmail.com
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Is Thingmakers essentially repsonisble for holding up Sweet Rot and Daggerman releases? Anyone else?
This must be why my Pizzas 7" has a "temporary" xeroxed sleeve, eh?
It is. What a fucking headache it's been dealing with Thingmakers. Nearly two months went by without a returned email or phone call. I finally got a call back when I left a message saying that I'm coming to Tacoma. He was waiting for me with the sleeves outside Slabtown when we got to the club this past Saturday.
I gave a batch of 20 7"s to the Pizzas with xeroxed sleeves so they could have something to sell at a couple shows they were playing. If anyone reading this got one of those and wants a regular sleeve, PM me and I'll send you one.
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I used Imprint for the first time. Got the sleeves in 2 and a half weeks! Look perfect, and very reasonable prices. Very pleased with them! I highly recommend them. And also strongly suggest, to never use thing makers, but I think that has been made obviously clear.
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I stupidly recommended Thingmakers to my brother judging by his website work and the fact it was a really custom job....the CDs came wrong, and he kept about $500 in some kind of shady teeter-totter communications that should've been going back to him. he is still chasing him for the money.
I personally use Imprint and Ad Nauseum and Dorado. Imprint is very super professional and fast its true. Walter at Imprint probably shouldve kicked my ass when I was behind a few times on payment, and he is so cool. Very very VERY nice people over there. And ad nauseum has a little cheaper prices and good paper stocks for seemingly the same price and they look good too. And Dorado is super reliable too but much more expensive....they handle a lot of indie major releases so you know they are aware that quality and deadlines are important. Imprint has the best rate on 12" sleeves Ive ever seen tho. Because it includes shipping. Thats really dirt fucking cheap. It was like $550 for 500 full colors SHIPPED at Imprint. I think thats fucked up low for a 12" sleeve.
thingmakers is (from what i heard) a guy who's really good or creative but who takes forever and lives in his own world. you literally have to accept that if you're going to throw biz at him. and he operates on the "answer the most pissed off one" principal. so everyone is always pissed off just taking turns.
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i've always dealt to dorado for 12" sleeves. never dealt with imprint for 12"s (though i did w/ cds & 7" sleeves and ditto positives about them). can you point out any examples of their 12" work....
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no, they dont seem to have any examples of it i know of. i think they just started doing 12"s though not too long ago at imprint so that might have something to do with it. but i just did the black sunday /le jonathan reilly one there (at imprint). it came out cool. but they actually outsource 12"s to Ross Ellis. So if you have any like or dislike for that company this will be in play of course. to be dead honest about it, i like dorado a little better, but the price difference is really big with that shipping gap, and the quality difference is really very very subtle when you think of it. Theres a slight bit more meat on the dorado sleeves. not much though. the price at imprint can sway you really good sometimes because looking at side by sides, in my opinion its not "convincingly" better. Just subtleties. Like how much ham you can rub against it without getting it sticky. The usual tests.