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Non-Music Shit / Re: As if killing Christ was not enough....
« on: May 31, 2012, 02:08:08 PM »
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Non-Music Shit / Re: interesting article about WWII
« on: May 31, 2012, 01:47:08 PM »
FIGHT WAR NOT WARS.
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Non-Music Shit / Re: interesting article about WWII
« on: May 31, 2012, 01:31:20 PM »
Awesome.
If you fancy reading something along similar lines to what we've been discussing here (the motivations for war, the myths and lies used to justify them) but focusing on more contemporary events (Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan), I seriously recommend this (paperback comes out in July):
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Defence-Murder-Richard-Seymour/dp/184467861X/ref=sr_1_sc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1338499694&sr=8-2-spell
Highly relevant given calls for 'intervention' in Syria, Iran etc. I think you'd dig it.
If you fancy reading something along similar lines to what we've been discussing here (the motivations for war, the myths and lies used to justify them) but focusing on more contemporary events (Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan), I seriously recommend this (paperback comes out in July):
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Defence-Murder-Richard-Seymour/dp/184467861X/ref=sr_1_sc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1338499694&sr=8-2-spell
Highly relevant given calls for 'intervention' in Syria, Iran etc. I think you'd dig it.
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Non-Music Shit / Re: dude eats another guys face after snorting fake cocaine from a bodega
« on: May 31, 2012, 01:14:11 PM »
What would be your weapon of choice?
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Non-Music Shit / Re: interesting article about WWII
« on: May 31, 2012, 12:58:17 PM »well, what about the assertion that by 1940 stalin had murdered more people and invaded almost as many countries as hitlers germany? its historical fact that the death camps were not implemented to carry out the final solution until 1942. so couldnt your argument also be used against the russians, we allied with stalin and he continued to butcher millions in eastern europe, as well as gaining nuclear power.
No definitely, I agree and that's my point. The war was not fought on the basis of preventing genocide or defending human rights, whether in Germany or Russia. Those were secondary considerations for western powers, if considered at all. It served UK and later US interests to ally with Russia in 1941 in order to defeat Hitler, who presented the graver and more immediate threat, and Stalin was allowed to pursue his totalitarian project in Russia.
what if they had been left to fight each other, and both were significantly weakened, and then the allies had attacked with full force?
As I mentioned earlier, there would be no guarantee that both would be "significantly weakened", in fact, given that the full military resources of Germany could be brought to bear on Russia without other fronts (in Europe, North Africa and the Atlantic) to worry about, it is more than likely they would have defeated the Soviets, thus leading to the situation mentioned above. Given that possibility, it was inevitable Britain and subsequently the US would join the war, holding their noses to ally with Stalin, whom they hated (not for his purges and authoritarianism though, but for his 'communism').
In the unlikely and unpredictable event that Germany and Russia had both been "weakened" (however you might define that) I guess you might be suggesting something like "why didn't the allies invade continental Europe, smash Hitler and then invade Russia"? I can't say. In fact, who knows? That's the problems with "what ifs".
As it actually happened, there was a contingency plan by the British and Americans to invade Russia after defeating Germany - Operation Unthinkable - but it was deemed militarily unfeasible. Russia was too strong, having managed to turn back the Germans, helped by the UK and American bombing of Germany, allied naval blockades of supplies to Germany, the opening of a secondary front in North Africa, allied supplies to Russia etc.
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Non-Music Shit / Re: interesting article about WWII
« on: May 31, 2012, 11:43:14 AM »
The Daily Mail is one of the most right-wing newspapers in the UK. It routinely demonizes the poor, immigrants, women, ethnic minorities and gays whilst extolling neo-liberalism, conservative 'family values' and nationalism. Their website is even worse, and recently became the world's most viewed newspaper owned website, thanks primarily to the lavish attention it pays to celebrity tits and gossip. I'm surprised you're linking to it quite a lot at the moment - I hate pigs too, but can't you find another news source?
This article is representative of this worldview, containing as it does typically paranoid and xenophobic anti-EU sentiments (eg "Who really won the war, since Britain is now subject to a German-run European Union?") and just general total bullshit. Its basic premise (and that of wretched cunt Patrick Buchanan's book which it draws from) is essentially that Hitler was no ultimate threat to the UK or the USA, so they should've let him get on with butchering millions in Eastern Europe, because at least the UK would still have an empire and the USA could concentrate on making money. Leaving the moral repugnancy of this view aside, and the shoddy pseudo-history behind it, what arguments like this fail to consider is that if Germany successfully destroyed the Soviet Union (an outcome which not having to worry about a second front in the west would certainly help) a German empire extending from the North Sea to Russia and the Ukraine and North Africa would be the most powerful nation in the world, far stronger than the USA and the UK (even with its empire intact), and - though it is impossible to predict what course history would take from there - Britain and the USA would most likely be economically and geo-politically under German domination, given that it would be the world's foremost superpower. The third reich would be secure on continental Europe, with practically unlimited resources and almost certainly a nuclear capability (remember the Nazis were developing their own atomic program during the war), all the while murdering Jews, Slavs, Poles, communists, trade unionists, the disabled, intellectuals, impertinent journalists, gypsies and crushing all rebellion. But I guess if you're Patrick Buchanan, or Peter Hitchens, that's OK.
I have no illusions about why WWII was fought by the British, or the Americans. It wasn't to save the Jews or any of the Nazis' other victims. It wasn't to stop fascism either. Or even to save Poland, though this was the technical reason for the UK declaring war. It was simply because in 1939 it was clear to the British elite that both their sovereignty and economic interests were under serious threat. Later, the Americans would realize that their global influence would be hugely diminished if the Germans won the war and agreed to declare war on Germany as well as Japan.
One last thing:
"The other is one I hear from an ever-growing number of war veterans contemplating modern Britain's landscape of loutishness and disorder and recalling the sacrifices they made for it: "Why did we bother?" "
I think that most UK veterans who are still alive and not complete cunts would agree that one of the reasons they sacrificed so much during that war was so that firstly, people had the freedom to behave loutishly and disorderly, and secondly that at the end of it they could forge a better and more equitable society. That's why immediately following the end of the war public pressure forced the ruling class in Britain to create its welfare state, national health service and comprehensive (public) school system. Ironically all achievements that are hated by and routinely undermined by the Daily Mail and Peter Hitchens.
This article is representative of this worldview, containing as it does typically paranoid and xenophobic anti-EU sentiments (eg "Who really won the war, since Britain is now subject to a German-run European Union?") and just general total bullshit. Its basic premise (and that of wretched cunt Patrick Buchanan's book which it draws from) is essentially that Hitler was no ultimate threat to the UK or the USA, so they should've let him get on with butchering millions in Eastern Europe, because at least the UK would still have an empire and the USA could concentrate on making money. Leaving the moral repugnancy of this view aside, and the shoddy pseudo-history behind it, what arguments like this fail to consider is that if Germany successfully destroyed the Soviet Union (an outcome which not having to worry about a second front in the west would certainly help) a German empire extending from the North Sea to Russia and the Ukraine and North Africa would be the most powerful nation in the world, far stronger than the USA and the UK (even with its empire intact), and - though it is impossible to predict what course history would take from there - Britain and the USA would most likely be economically and geo-politically under German domination, given that it would be the world's foremost superpower. The third reich would be secure on continental Europe, with practically unlimited resources and almost certainly a nuclear capability (remember the Nazis were developing their own atomic program during the war), all the while murdering Jews, Slavs, Poles, communists, trade unionists, the disabled, intellectuals, impertinent journalists, gypsies and crushing all rebellion. But I guess if you're Patrick Buchanan, or Peter Hitchens, that's OK.
I have no illusions about why WWII was fought by the British, or the Americans. It wasn't to save the Jews or any of the Nazis' other victims. It wasn't to stop fascism either. Or even to save Poland, though this was the technical reason for the UK declaring war. It was simply because in 1939 it was clear to the British elite that both their sovereignty and economic interests were under serious threat. Later, the Americans would realize that their global influence would be hugely diminished if the Germans won the war and agreed to declare war on Germany as well as Japan.
One last thing:
"The other is one I hear from an ever-growing number of war veterans contemplating modern Britain's landscape of loutishness and disorder and recalling the sacrifices they made for it: "Why did we bother?" "
I think that most UK veterans who are still alive and not complete cunts would agree that one of the reasons they sacrificed so much during that war was so that firstly, people had the freedom to behave loutishly and disorderly, and secondly that at the end of it they could forge a better and more equitable society. That's why immediately following the end of the war public pressure forced the ruling class in Britain to create its welfare state, national health service and comprehensive (public) school system. Ironically all achievements that are hated by and routinely undermined by the Daily Mail and Peter Hitchens.
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New Releases For Sale/Distro Updates / Re: Metal Urbain les hommes morts sont dangereux ltd vinyl LP new reissue
« on: May 30, 2012, 01:53:42 PM »
Doug, you aren't gonna get Metal Urbain, at least not direct from seventeen. File a paypal claim.
I think some sellers in France have copies (without the 7"), so if you're still keen you could google around and buy from one of them.
Probably were. Would have been nice if they'd just admitted that months ago and refunded people.
I think some sellers in France have copies (without the 7"), so if you're still keen you could google around and buy from one of them.
Hopefully the limited 'early bird' copies aren't oversold.
Probably were. Would have been nice if they'd just admitted that months ago and refunded people.
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Music Shit / Re: The "Why isn't this reissued on vinyl thread?" Part 2
« on: May 29, 2012, 10:06:59 AM »Did anyone bring up This Heat?
I was just thinking that the other day - Pop Group also.
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New Releases For Sale/Distro Updates / Re: Reissues on POUTRE APPARENTE : 1st Circle X 7" / Plus Instruments LP
« on: May 28, 2012, 01:07:38 PM »
Any distros planning on getting these?
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Music Shit / Re: Sonic Youth PBS doc circa 1988
« on: May 26, 2012, 11:41:50 AM »
I think that this is actually only half of the full show - the other half being about John Zorn. Never seen that part.
Full version of the interview with Thurston:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZpBe0cyHE4
Full version of the interview with Thurston:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZpBe0cyHE4
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Music Shit / Re: Punk Britannia & John Cooper Clarke Doc. - BBC TV
« on: May 24, 2012, 02:19:46 PM »
I hope John Robb isn't called upon to share his thoughts at any point.
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Music Shit / Punk Britannia & John Cooper Clarke Doc. - BBC TV
« on: May 24, 2012, 09:51:38 AM »
This goes out on BBC 4 next Friday, though I think the BBC iplayer is accessible online for overseas termbros and it's inevitable it'll find its way onto youtube at some point. Could be depressing viewing, but previous episodes on folk, electronica and metal were pretty good despite the generality of their purview and familiarity of footage (expect plenty from the Old Grey Whistle Test).
Part of a wider 'punk season' on the BBC with documentaries on John Cooper Clarke (which might be the pick of the bunch) and the Adverts.
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2012-05-10/anarchy-in-white-city-bbc-to-broadcast-punk-britannia-season
Part of a wider 'punk season' on the BBC with documentaries on John Cooper Clarke (which might be the pick of the bunch) and the Adverts.
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2012-05-10/anarchy-in-white-city-bbc-to-broadcast-punk-britannia-season
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New Releases For Sale/Distro Updates / Re: A 3 DANS LES WC - CONTAGION - VINYL LP + banned 7" single + CD
« on: May 20, 2012, 01:45:41 AM »Hmm...I still haven't received my Metal Urbain. Status update please?
You and pretty much everyone else. I highly recommend people not to give their money to these guys. They're completely incompetent at best, thieves at worst.
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Music Shit / Re: Serge Gainsbourg
« on: May 19, 2012, 05:34:51 AM »
I second Initials B.B. (or the Bonnie and Clyde LP) as a good a place as any to start.
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New Releases For Sale/Distro Updates / Re: Bonehead Crunchers vol.1 LP // proto-punk obscurities from the USA //300 only
« on: May 11, 2012, 10:40:58 AM »
Yeah, I thought it was pretty damn good. Even better than the Michigan Meltdown comp. Some real good, schlocky sweaty blasts of fuzz. Look forward to the next volume - any know if it's European or English stuff?
