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Pop Punk / Re: Bands Not Commonly Thought Of As Being Racist, Yet They Have Racist Lyrics

« on: February 16, 2017, 06:41:04 AM »

well he was kind of right about the "kkk coming back again" part wasn't he.  (half joke)

Only half joking about blaming "political correctness" for the normalization of modern day nazis.

nope not quite try again

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Pop Punk / Re: Bands Not Commonly Thought Of As Being Racist, Yet They Have Racist Lyrics

« on: February 15, 2017, 09:34:12 PM »

well he was kind of right about the "kkk coming back again" part wasn't he.  (half joke)

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Pop Punk / Re: Bands Not Commonly Thought Of As Being Racist, Yet They Have Racist Lyrics

« on: February 14, 2017, 10:49:00 PM »

disco got real white real fast

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Pop Punk / Re: Bands Not Commonly Thought Of As Being Racist, Yet They Have Racist Lyrics

« on: February 14, 2017, 06:36:48 PM »

Beastie Boys

wonder what would happen if someone released an album called "don't be a faggot" in 2017

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Music Shit / Re: Wire in 2017

« on: February 13, 2017, 07:29:53 PM »

They're one of those bands that (pretty much) only plays new material, so don't expect anything else.

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Pop Punk / Re: Bands Not Commonly Thought Of As Being Racist, Yet They Have Racist Lyrics

« on: February 13, 2017, 05:16:38 PM »

"Trouble At The Cup" is an amazing song. That's real street culture drama right there.

Not gonna wade into this (and haven't read most of the thread), but I was gonna do a half hour set of early Meat Puppets demos n' such on the radio show. Still gonna, but maybe no "Gold Mine" (lyrics are fucked/music is great). Sometimes it's nice that you can't make out the words on a lot of hardcore songs. But that don't mean the words ain't there.

And today I woke up to the news about a nazi skin beatdown of some regulars at the place I DJ and used to bartend at. Can't these fuckers just die off already? Always a new crop of impressionable idiots to keep the flower of racism blooming.

I'm glad I was able to ruin the Meat Puppers at least a little bit for ya.


Are you talking the mp3s of demos, rarities, covers, and practice tapes? I only listened to some of that, mostly disappointing... and this is from a dude who owned 2 Meat Puppers t-shirts. What is good?


Were they traditional boots n' braces Nazi skins, or did they look like this:

i listen to those early rehearsals and live bootlegs religiously lmao, also one of "those people" that doesn't think meat puppets II is any good.  yeah dads im a real punk baby boy!

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Pop Punk / Re: Bands Not Commonly Thought Of As Being Racist, Yet They Have Racist Lyrics

« on: February 13, 2017, 04:44:00 AM »

One thing is true: We are some of the most virtuous, forward thinking punk rockers on the inter-webs. THANK GOD PROGRESSIVE PEOPLE LIKE US CAN FIGHT BACK. This is not just a thread: this is a new form of social consciousness.

brb im ascending to heaven

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Pop Punk / Re: Bands Not Commonly Thought Of As Being Racist, Yet They Have Racist Lyrics

« on: February 12, 2017, 09:02:59 PM »

I wanna be a narc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4xISsofouE
the go-gos... they're very, like, anti-gay, yeah.

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Pop Punk / Re: Bands Not Commonly Thought Of As Being Racist, Yet They Have Racist Lyrics

« on: February 12, 2017, 07:23:31 PM »

idk what that is but sure why not whatever works for you daddy-o

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Pop Punk / Re: Bands Not Commonly Thought Of As Being Racist, Yet They Have Racist Lyrics

« on: February 12, 2017, 06:34:20 PM »

Talk about a spinmaster. Brother Uranium could get a job with the Trump Administration given his ability to deflect and lessen the impact of clearly racist, sexist and homophobic lyrics.

We refuse to use the term "alt-right" for Nazis, why should these recording artists be treated any differently?

uh im just sharing my interpretations of the songs?  is that not ok?

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Pop Punk / Re: Bands Not Commonly Thought Of As Being Racist, Yet They Have Racist Lyrics

« on: February 12, 2017, 05:06:01 AM »

While very few would accuse them of being racist, even today - both Crass and Dead Kennedys used the "n-word" in songs. Crass' use is more egarious, I'd argue.

"Playing ethnicky jazz
To parade your snazz
On your five-grand stereo
Braggin' that you know
How the niggers feel cold
And the slum's got so much soul"

I don't see how you could consider that racist.  It's a clear dig at out of touch rich white kids, the use of "Last Sons of Kypton" only driving home how out of touch they are.  There are quite a few punk songs from this era that use the word to that effect, like Los Angeles by X, There Goes the Neighborhood by Chronic Sick, and most famously perhaps, Hate the Police by the Dicks

on the other hand, hong kong garden is supposed to be some sort of attempt to "sympathize" with the chinese but it's insulting at best.

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Pop Punk / Re: Bands Not Commonly Thought Of As Being Racist, Yet They Have Racist Lyrics

« on: February 12, 2017, 03:31:36 AM »

oh god cant defend that one

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Pop Punk / Re: Bands Not Commonly Thought Of As Being Racist, Yet They Have Racist Lyrics

« on: February 11, 2017, 09:35:53 PM »

That Dire Straits song is being sung from the perspective of a working class mook who's resentful of the rock stars he sees on television-- he's installing furniture and breaking his back for little money while that 'little faggot' (note jealous perspective) is getting his 'money for nothing and chicks for free'. It's slice of life, and I shouldn't need to tell anyone who's worked in warehouses and construction sites-- let alone over 30 years ago-- how people talk in reality. He's definitely not celebrating it.

was coming here to say just this, to quote the songwriter:

"The lead character in "Money for Nothing" is a guy who works in the hardware department in a television/​custom kitchen/​refrigerator/​microwave appliance store. He's singing the song. I wrote the song when I was actually in the store. I borrowed a bit of paper and started to write the song down in the store. I wanted to use a lot of the language that the real guy actually used when I heard him, because it was more real...."

this sort of thing really interests me so I'll go down the list of songs referenced in this thread and what I know about them

Meat Puppets - Goldmine:
This song uses its racial epithet to more explicitly harken back to the point in time it is referencing, when black slaves were brought over to the US.  The title of the song is referring to the free labor of slaves being a "gold mine" for the people who brought them over. As far as sitting in the trees is concerned, I think that's the way they were thought of by their captors, just mindless mammals doing nothing.  that's my 10 cents at least.

Rolling Stones - Brown Sugar:
This song isn't meant to be offensive but it's VERY stupid and has aged extremely poorly. Perhaps it came from a "good place" but it's bad. These days he admits it's really vulgar pretty much for the sake of it. I would say he is far more sexist than racist but I think that's pretty obvious.

Albini in general:
Again he arguably comes from "a good place" but between rapeman and whatever else... it had it's time and place, at best, in the time of the PRMC. Has not aged well, certainly.

AC/DC and Queen:
Those two songs (fat bottom girls and whole lotta rosie) were written to very specifically be pro-"large women". Not being a "large woman" I can't say if they are offensive or not per-se but they weren't intended to be, specifically whole lotta rosie which is basically something that actually happened to Bon Scott (the singer/writer of said song)

descendents:
no defending "no fb" outside of saying.  the stupidity of youth i guess. "you fucking homos" on the other hand, the thought was mostly to call actual straight jocks "gay" because to them that riled them up more than anything else, but these days they have removed those lyrics while playing the songs live and realized the err of their ways. also notable is in the Vandals official release of their 1981 radio broadcast they apologize up front for using "faggot" and such in their banter between songs, attributing it to the follies of youth.

angry samoans:
ive always taken it at a stab at or against closeted homosexuality, which isn't a good thing obviously, but a bit different than proper homophobia? hm.  its certainly better than "tooling for anus" (meatmen) or "in the night" (ill repute). this whole band is all about just making stupid shock jock type jokes so I don't overthink it.

homophobia in general in 70s and 80s songwriting has always been an interesting thing to me. the way I've usually taken in even clearly homophobic insults in most punk songs (like those used in the meatmen's songs or im not a loser by the descendents) is that they are really trying to fuck with or aimed at people who are homophobic in that they are afraid that they themselves might be gay, gay panic type of stuff. perhaps that's just my way of trying to justify enjoying these songs though. punks that were really homophobic, like the bad brains, usually talk about that sort of thing openly outside of stupid shit like "shocking" song lyrics.

at the end of the day lyrics are (almost always) open for an incredible array of interpretations so it's hard to pin this stuff down, but that's why I like talking about it! (and of course white minority was sung primarily by a hispanic man!  its about the fear there was and still is of immigrants)

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Music Shit / Re: Best 2017 releases

« on: February 10, 2017, 03:09:47 PM »

rly?  sounds like pop punk with phaser on the vocals to me lol

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Music Shit / Re: Great bands thats are a red flag when another band lists as a major influence

« on: February 09, 2017, 10:12:00 PM »

The Pixies and Husker Du are pretty concerning for me, unless it's a hardcore band or something, particularly as a massive husker du fan.  whenever someone calls them an influence they are almost always talking about their late 80s singles and shit