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Upcoming Shows/Tours/Events / Re: gonerfest 4

« on: May 03, 2007, 11:16:16 AM »

unfortunately i'm still trying to figure out where the amazing pizza is.

You know, there's not much.  Memphis Pizza Cafe gets rave-ups every year, but I think it's just o.k.  Slightly better than o.k. is Cammy's delivery, but they only deliver to midtown and downtown.  Milanos is pretty good, but you have to get it hot, right out of the oven (it's gross as take-takeout), and I'm not sure there is one anywhere close to the Gonerfest stuff.

Also, the BBQ pizza at Exeline's over by where April and I live is o.k., but I haven't had it in about 3 years.

I feel like I'm forgetting some places.

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Non-Music Shit / Re: Bar Jokes

« on: March 02, 2007, 07:03:48 PM »

Pirate walks into a bar.  A drunk is wobling next to him, and says, "H-hey buddzy, whaswrong withyou?"
Pirate says, "Arrrrgh, whatcha mean?"
Drunk says, "Welllookatyou.  You got the peg-leg."
Pirate says, "Arrrrgh, I lost it to the sharks."
Drunk says, "An' lookit your hand.  You gotta hook on it..."
Pirate says, Arrrrgh, I lost it in a battle."
Drunk says, "An' yougottta patch onyour eye!"
Pirate says, "Arrrrrgh, a bid shit in it."
The drunk quaffs down the rest of his burbon thinking it over, and finally says, "How'd you lose your eye witha birdshittin' in it?"
Pirate says, "It was the day after I got me hook..."

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Non-Music Shit / Re: Why is it that dudes have to take in reading material

« on: February 28, 2007, 06:41:50 PM »

Returning to the original topic, my wife reads while taking care of business.  We have a more-than-rational amount of home decor magazines and the occasional thriller novel in there at any given moment, so I don't believe it's a man thing.

Meanwhile, I do like to read in there, however, nothing too interesting.  A captivating document leads to legs falling asleep, and possibly trouble getting back up.  Has that happened to anyone?  Have you ever fallen over, perhaps from reading/sitting too long/drinking?  Not that I ever have...

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Non-Music Shit / Re: Moustaches

« on: February 28, 2007, 12:11:18 AM »

Facial hair rules.

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Non-Music Shit / Re: karma

« on: February 28, 2007, 12:06:09 AM »

I just re-read what I wrote, and now I think I'm an asshole, Kevin.

Sorry, man.  It's late.  I'll see y'all when you come down again.

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Non-Music Shit / Re: karma

« on: February 28, 2007, 12:01:11 AM »

I guess it depends what sort of music you're talking about. I don't know enough about the jazz and classical worlds to state anything with certainty, but it seems to me that there is less of the "hustle to get your band heard" thing with them and more of the "trying to perfect your craft in order to get a job with a band/orchestra." If you're talking rock music, I think part of it is because it is considered such a low form of art by many people that a bit of self-promotion and "thanks for the add" hucksterism is seen as part of the package by a lot of folks. Still, there are doubtlessly tons of rock bands out there that think self releasing anything but a demo is for losers and that getting your demo heard by someone at Interscope is much more of an accomplishment than self releasing a record. With punk/underground music DIY has just been part of the package for so long that it's seen as a totally valid, if not in some ways superior, way of releasing music. However, I don't think bands who aspire to be the next Matchbox 20 or Slipknot see things that way.

Yeah, I've seen those dudes, too, and I see your point.  That's actually the difference between Nashville and Memphis, but there's assholes everywhere.

Thanks for the input.

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Non-Music Shit / Re: karma

« on: February 27, 2007, 11:56:41 PM »

And furthermore, kevin, I ain't out to get you, but your notion of class is askew, I think.
My dad was poorer than you, went through some shit as tough as you, if not, tougher.  But spent his time working to get out.  Maybe not in a way you might approve, but he did it.
If I'm an upper class "kid", then you should have no problem recognizing  that some may have a profound understanding of where they came from.  
I was never a trust fund kid; I was always taught to value work, and the thigs I've achieved, I did on my own.  As learned from those that came before me.

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Non-Music Shit / Re: karma

« on: February 27, 2007, 11:40:25 PM »

I see a lot of really shitty publicly supported art made by artists who are working the grant system. For the most part the stuff blows. I am not sure if the shitty artists are drawn to public money or public money makes for shitty art. It is probably some in between. 

Okay, I've never been to SF, but I have seen my share of public funds wasted on "art".  Just playing devil's advocate here,
I have a question concerning "art".
(by the way, I am from the school of "something is either art, work or coincidence").

I have heard from a few writer friends, something to the effect of "if you publish your own book, you are less substantiative because you are the only one who feels your writing must be read".

In visual art (I am completely ignorant, and hope to remain that way), I know of no other way to get a gig, other than to "have a show".  It is my ignorant understanding that has filtered information from "artist" friends, that self-promotion is best left to graphic designers.

Musical art not only commands self promotion to most, but also adds that the "real dudes" put their own stuff out.  If you get on a label, well, that's just because "someone realized your potential".  I suppose the same would be true for writers being published and visual artists finding sponsors or grant money.

In any case within the arts, music seems to get the most leeway for self-release.

What's up with that?

Sorry to hijack and post so much, but really curious about the "takes" from more than a few of the members of this board.

Why is that?

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Non-Music Shit / Re: karma

« on: February 27, 2007, 10:10:36 PM »

That's just ridiculous about the cost associated with a 7".  When I did the numbers to try to figure out the cost to produce a set of 45s (as you've laid plain), it certainly became a deterrent.  I agree with your "as a hobby" perspective, though.  No one is going to make a damn thing, but it's the principle of "putting something out" that you believe in.

That being said, $0.99 for a download off the iTunes sounds more like near a bargain if you upload as a "label".  What'll you be putting on the vinyl?  2 songs? 3 songs? 4?  So what's a song worth?  $1.00 a piece? $0.66?  $0.50?  
But then, I don't get the crafty artwork, make it less certain that it'll be uploaded to a filesharing site, or perhaps the smell of the questionable fingers of the band who sat around packaging the product.

Makes me wary to even suggest the thought of being a label; not at the risk of "not making money", but being stuck with 250 units, and worrying about them being in the attic (as opposed to residing in my climate-controlled yacht, taking up space for orders that never come).

Shit or get off the pot, I guess.

Poor labels; but I appreciate what y'all do.

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Non-Music Shit / Re: karma

« on: February 27, 2007, 08:01:27 PM »

Yep.
I've been wanting to do a comp for a while with some of this stuff recorded, providing the bands get what they deserve out of it (SSR, I think you may have given me insight into this in the past, actually).

My pie-in-the-sky idea was to release a series of 7", riding along a geographic theme; however, it just costs too damn much.

2nd option was friends telling me to just do a CDR or CD; however, while I agree that the notion of a few people having the ability to rip from vinyl only causes "x" amount of time before it reaches filesharing sites, anybody can rip from CD in an instant.

3rd option was to do a double or triple LP, consolidate the theme, and bring down the overall cost of manufacturing.

While the third option made the most sense, it still coincided with your thought that the real deal went to the consumer.

Getting back to the download thing, though, one thing that worries me sometimes is the "third party factor".  When recording stuff, I also try to make sure the band gets a copy at some point in time.  After that, it's out of my hands, really.  If someone gives a copy to their friend, and they give it to another friend, and on, and on, and on, I have no control of anyone uploading that stuff to fileshare services.  When my original intention was to try to promote the band with a few songs posted.

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Non-Music Shit / Re: karma

« on: February 27, 2007, 07:33:54 PM »

Couple that with gas at near $3 a gallon and the whole musical landscape changes even more.

Jay Reatard made a great quote about that a while back:

average gas price in 1992 about $1.30
average price for punk rock show $5.00


average gas price in 2006 about $$2.60
average price for punk rock show $5.00

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Non-Music Shit / Re: karma

« on: February 27, 2007, 06:58:30 PM »

Anyway, carry on, as I am interested in the viewpoints expressed.

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Non-Music Shit / Re: karma

« on: February 27, 2007, 06:56:38 PM »

I think both probably have good intentions though too, honestly.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, as they say.  I just don't want to inadvertently screw anyone out of anything.
I like to listen to something first before buying, sure.  But when I have an interest in it, I buy it.

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Non-Music Shit / Re: karma

« on: February 27, 2007, 06:19:06 PM »

I am genuinely interested in some of the points raised here.  I've read other threads concerning it here as well as a handfull of others, but this intersts me a great deal.
I don't download, well, for no other reason other than "I just don't".  No slsk, no bittorrent (I had limewire once, got a virus, and never used it again), no nothing.  However, I DO make music available online for people to listen to, for no other reason than helping to promote the band and/or letting others decide if they want to pursue the band's sound any further (i.e. go buy something from them).  These songs I post are most usually live and I admit, I kill the quality slightly.  I always ask the band's permission, and let them know that if they want to use it later, it's their's; they made it, I just bought the tape and recorded it.  Sometimes people use it, sometimes they don't.
So, in a way, I help to perpetrate the evils of downloading.

And Kevin, I bought the record when I saw it in the shop.

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Music Shit / music and stuff...

« on: January 07, 2007, 01:04:06 PM »

I know some of y'all already have seen it, but I finished up (almost) all posts for stuff we've recorded over the last year.

Check it out, if you haven't seen it already.
http://www.goner-records.com/board/index.php?action=vthread&forum=4&topic=24520