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Music Shit / Re: KBD, BFTG, Bonehead Crushers, Creel Pone - creme de la creme genre comps/series

« on: June 22, 2012, 11:09:40 AM »

Everyone here is rich or fucking into money.

Charlie M, I know this is Fantasyland so there's no point in bringing this up, but you are aware that most concrete / electroacoustic / acousmatic or free jazz pieces are much longer than the average rock 'n' roll song and don't lend themselves to comping, right?  The equivalent of a Nuggets-style comp of tape music would be a 20-LP box. 

There is, in fact, a 6-LP box set of sound poetry culled from Henri Chopin's magaizne Revue Ou.  It was released by Alga Marghen about ten years ago.

You're right - that stuff is usually lengthy but a nice 6 LP box of our brain-melters would rule. And I totally hear you on those Sub Rosa comps - the Duchamp + Orridge mixture was ill advised. The Alga Marghen box - heap, remember that one now from a Volcanic Tongue email. Few copies still available from FE + 4CD version on sale too. Jeez.....just seen their series of Avant Marghen 7LP box sets too!!!! Who buys that stuff???!!! Me if I could afford it! Ha!

There have been some great ideas so far. How lucky my wallet is that none of them will ever

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Music Shit / Re: Creme de la creme genre comps/series

« on: June 22, 2012, 04:24:52 AM »

Also could use some volumes on :-
- acid folk
- NWW/P16 D4 style surreal sound collage
- sound sculpture (just a distillation of the vast output of Harry Bertoia would be a good start - not a ?40 PSF CD either..!)
- Japaese court music (someone get Zorn to compile one from his legendary collection of 78s)
- ....

Again...for all I know these are already out there

Did the Killed By Hardcore series ever get beyond 3 volumes? Other comps of early 80s HC? (The Finnish one looks good - loved that Bastards EP)

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Music Shit / Re: KBD, BFTG, Bonehead Crushers, Creel Pone - creme de la creme genre comps/series

« on: June 22, 2012, 04:15:33 AM »

* Post '85 kbd style punk rock
* 90s garage punk (possibly semi-linked with above at times)
* Pigfuck (Amrep to TnG to elsewhere/Australia)
* Neoteric

Agreed - rocking modern punk rawk along Teengenerate/Devil Dogs but obscurer would be great.
'Neoteric' - had to Google that but if you mean the weirder end of sound/concrete poetry then a neat series including Henri Chopin, Schwitters, Bob Cobbing maybe extending into Phil Minton, Jaap Blonk et al would be great.

I'd boot weird comps in a second, at a 300 press, with no guilt -- if I cared.  It's funny how something like KBD defined a genre.  It really does not matter.  Anyone could've done something similar and defined a lazy sub-subgenre.  I think it's more a testament to moneyed & informed choices with an overbearing follow/leader aesthetic than anything else. 

Everyone here is rich or fucking into money.

I like 'lazy' sub-genres! If viewed as shorthand/code for summing up a distinct approach to music or an aesthetic, thats fine by me but I agree with you (if I get you right) - music is a continuum that can't be neatly pigeon-holed. Categories are merely convenient shorthand for labelling apparently coherent areas of that continuum,.......which itself is fine as long as you're aware that that's what its about. Unheralded gems that are unheralded just because they didn't show up on a notable boot series....well they're there to be discovered (and bought cheap) by those of us who CAN be bothered to do the digging. Or for those to compile a new series called "Killer Gems Ludicrously Omitted From Previous Volumes Of Killed By Bloodstains Over My Record Collection".

On the other hand.....despite your rich/money comment though (i'm hazarding a guess at dark humour?) its because I'm far from flush with disposable income that I'm happy to trust the 'discerning' taste of heavy duty fans to compile snapshots of whole areas of music I'm keen to learn about as my 'cheaper way in' to some of the best in that genre/style/aesthetic/approach.

This short circuits the buying-shit-loads-of-mediocrity-in-order-to-find-the-cream aspect of record/music buying that I've loved for 30 odd years - for sure. But I'm getting old and haven't got that patience any more. I need short cuts.

Give me lazy sub-genres or give me death.

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Music Shit / Re: What are you listening to and what do you have to say about it? Part V

« on: June 21, 2012, 10:13:42 PM »

Jeez....you can't make this stuff up! Well it is isn't quite the "Thrilled By Berth" series that I was imagining but it's a good start.

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Music Shit / Re: What are you listening to and what do you have to say about it? Part V

« on: June 21, 2012, 12:25:47 PM »

Chris Watson's already on the revival tip.

Really? Animal field recordings? I'm there!

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Music Shit / KBD, BFTG, Bonehead Crushers, Creel Pone - creme de la creme genre comps/series

« on: June 21, 2012, 12:17:13 PM »

Migrating this to a thread of its own.....
Collector enthusiast genre comps/series are many things - gap fillers, money savers, short cuts to some of the best (and simultaneously rare and expensive) in a genre etc. etc. Comps of individual tracks or whole series of savagely obscure complete LPs are in the same vein to my mind - the selective quality control is what matters.

The Creel Pone series of ultra obscure (mostly) electronic music from the pre-digital glory days (late 40s to early 80s) continues that opening up of hidden/part-forgotten genres by hardcore enthusiasts. The Bonehead Crushers series too - that one opened me up to a strand of music I wasn't really hip to at all.

I know there a shed loads of these across the spectrum - funk, soul, rockabilly, blues....whatever. Legit and boot.

So......what areas are left to comp? What great areas of music remain to be lovingly compiled by fans for the lazy/skint/time-poor music fan?

For all I know many of these may already be out there but steam train recording comps (semi) jokingly aside what would anyone here look forward to? I'd splurge on top notch fan comps/series of early jungle, minimal synth, outsider weirdness, avant garage, obscure early noise and industrial, bizarre ethno/field recordings of the world, select free jazz monsters tracks, improv, RIO etc etc

Perhaps this would work best with increasingly obscure genres + styles. An 'angular spuzz racket' series incorporating Big Flame and others of their ilk for example.....

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Music Shit / Re: What are you listening to and what do you have to say about it? Part V

« on: June 21, 2012, 09:50:59 AM »

Various Creel Pone CDs - the Killed By Deaths/Back From The Graves of the electronic music world

Ha ha.  I never thought of that but you're right.  There's a few that aren't strictly speaking electronic, but
obscure avant-garde / academic records.  The other big KBD-style bootlegger of this kind of music was Stomach Ache / Dolor de Estomago.  Theirs were typically crappy looking (and cool).  They all came wrapped in Mexican newsprint with a crudely xeroxed repro of the cover on a piece of colored paper.

It's a slightly disingenuous comparison as apart from a few comps of 7s these are mostly straight repros but as a KBD/BFTG style overview of the cream of a very hidden genre Mr PC has performed a real public service.
All this talk of the Scientists makes me wonder what I was thinking when I traded my copy of Blood Red River about 10 yrs ago. That'll be vinyl regrets again.......!

Well, I mean, you can't really comp a lot of that stuff considering how many of those tracks are fifteen minutes long, or an hour long.  And there would be no reason or rhyme to it.  So I think it is an apt (and funny) comparison.  But I guess the same is true of stuff like Chocolate Soup for Diabetics, which was the first series to comp all those lost and forgotten psych singles and made them legendary.  So maybe KBD is the Chocolate Soup of punk, I dunno.

With the advent of the Bonehead Crushers/Crunchers series it does make me wonder what as yet unmined genres remain out there to be.......er mined. I propose a series of comps of the best steam train recordings - I'll get Mr Jackman on the case! Seriously - I'd buy that shit!

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Music Shit / Re: What are you listening to and what do you have to say about it? Part V

« on: June 20, 2012, 10:40:13 PM »

Various Creel Pone CDs - the Killed By Deaths/Back From The Graves of the electronic music world

Ha ha.  I never thought of that but you're right.  There's a few that aren't strictly speaking electronic, but
obscure avant-garde / academic records.  The other big KBD-style bootlegger of this kind of music was Stomach Ache / Dolor de Estomago.  Theirs were typically crappy looking (and cool).  They all came wrapped in Mexican newsprint with a crudely xeroxed repro of the cover on a piece of colored paper.

It's a slightly disingenuous comparison as apart from a few comps of 7s these are mostly straight repros but as a KBD/BFTG style overview of the cream of a very hidden genre Mr PC has performed a real public service.
All this talk of the Scientists makes me wonder what I was thinking when I traded my copy of Blood Red River about 10 yrs ago. That'll be vinyl regrets again.......!

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Music Shit / Re: What are you listening to and what do you have to say about it? Part V

« on: June 20, 2012, 01:39:22 PM »

Been listening to David Cameron reprimanding those who indulge in tax avoidance. The irony is too overwhelming - given that the core of is party's financial support comes from people who do exactly this it's an interesting (?) exercise trying to read between the lines here.

On a more musical note been listening to

'Hole' by Scraping Foetus Off The Wheel - gargantuan still
Various Creel Pone CDs - the Killed By Deaths/Back From The Graves of the electronic music world
old John Peel comp cassettes from the early to mid 80s - the highlights of which include :-
Frontier Scouts - "When Daddy Blows His Top", Conflict (US) (mentioned elsewhere here a few days ago - great femme-box HC), Scientist - "Creation Dub", Bourbonese Qualk "God With Us", New Christs "Like A Curse", Marabar Caves "Seeds That Never Grew", Rain Parade "Hour 1/2 Ago"..........fine tunes.

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Music Shit / Re: Hawkwind: help me, help myself

« on: June 20, 2012, 12:01:12 PM »

I reckon Warrior on the edge of time is a great place to start, it's probably my favourite Hawkwind record and a really good climax of the Lemmy era. Avoid the 80s stuff though, like many good acts of the 70s, they became obsessed with using god awful keyboard effects that have dated terribly plus the songwriting just isn't there either.

My fave too - monster. Space Ritual has a very odd aura about it - a unique feel. Another great one. The punk era LPs can be excellent. Don't miss Nik Turners excellent post Hawkwind band Inner City Unit either. Hawklords LP is great too.

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Music Shit / Re: Fred Frith/ Henry Kaiser and the like

« on: June 15, 2012, 10:55:31 AM »

I know this isn't supposed to be a complete listing but every time I think of another I feel compelled..........
Stefan Jaworzyn - another noise/free blat excess exponent. Some of his stuff with Ascension and Descension is pretty wild.
No more I promise.

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Music Shit / Re: Fred Frith/ Henry Kaiser and the like

« on: June 15, 2012, 08:01:16 AM »

A sort of final word on this - http://www.thegearpage.net/board/archive/index.php/t-913025.html
Plenty of names I've never heard of and quite a few I'd disagree with as 'weird' guitartrists but there you go......
Masayuki Takayanagi however was a glaring omission from my list as I have one of his PSF CDs. Crucial.

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Music Shit / Re: Fred Frith/ Henry Kaiser and the like

« on: June 13, 2012, 12:34:13 PM »

Other 'out' guitarists of varying hues that I don't know but have been recommended to me include GF Fitzgerald, Ray Russell, Elliott Sharp and Rhys Chatham.

Rudolph Grey with the Blue Humans is good noise-prov and Glenn Brancas massed geetar drone surges are a thing in themself.

Bill Orcutt and Keiji Haino are singular oddball on 6-strings too......

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Music Shit / Re: Sonic Youth PBS doc circa 1988

« on: June 12, 2012, 03:02:55 PM »

That's great! And the vinyl.......one can only guess what lurks in that monolithic wall.

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Music Shit / Re: Fred Frith/ Henry Kaiser and the like

« on: June 12, 2012, 02:49:42 PM »

That was supposed to read 'personal fave'.....