Poll

Were you able to pre-order your copy or were you denied?

Yes, was able to order and got the confirmation email
31 (26.7%)
I pre pre-ordered before 3pm EST and got my order cancelled by Matador
7 (6%)
Combination of the first two
11 (9.5%)
No, I wasn't able to order one
13 (11.2%)
'I just watched and laughed'
45 (38.8%)
GOT IT TODAY
0 (0%)
HAD IT YESTERDAY, LOST IT TODAY
9 (7.8%)

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Author Topic: Poll -Jay Reatard #4 Frenzy  (Read 27359 times)

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Re: Poll -Jay Reatard #4 Frenzy
« Reply #225 on: July 16, 2008, 11:00:23 AM »
um, last i checked that isn't what i'm saying at all. your reading comprehension is shameful:

no, i don't doubt that there are real authentic mexicans in places outside of the west and southwest; no, i don't disbelieve that some of these people have opened restaurants that cater to people like them and that non-mexicans, too, visit these places; no, i don't doubt that these places are actually good.

what i'm saying is that your statement and inability to recognize your generalization were the problem. try reading it again.

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Re: Poll -Jay Reatard #4 Frenzy
« Reply #226 on: July 16, 2008, 11:04:05 AM »
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Re: Poll -Jay Reatard #4 Frenzy
« Reply #227 on: July 16, 2008, 11:05:44 AM »
It's not always a better/worse thing.. but more of a 'what you're used to'.

The the Chinese food in the midwest is completely different than what you get out here on the west coast.. and I used to really miss over-americanized midwestern chinese food.. until the last time I went back to Indianapolis and had chinse food..  I just found it kind of gross. Too much MSG and really old grease (could be the place I ate at)

I really wanted to go to some of my favorite midwest Mexican places.. but I have a feeling that it wouldn't live up to the amazing mexican food I've had around here.  

There are plenty of mediocre/crappy places out here.. but when you find a good one. HOLLLLLLLLLLLY SHIT! I never had that in the midwest.


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« Reply #228 on: July 16, 2008, 11:06:13 AM »
That's not it, I can identify "Americanized" Mexican food. You assholes still cannot get over the fact that we have tons of Mexicans here. I went around Eric's (I Am the Arm) neighborhood hitting the local spots, and they were all poor. Poor because the ingredients were low grade and the food was not fresh. Asked Oscar (Gris Gris, hispanic and LA hometowner) for better spots, and he took me out to a decent place, finally. But it wasn't "out of this world" or anything, it was decent. According to several folks from LA who now live in the Bay Area (and I do realize that they moved most likely because they didn't like the LA area and are now Bay champions) the Mexican food in S California is no great shakes, and the Bay Area food is excellent. I've heard the same from a lot of bands that tour around the country, as well. It was my experience and a lot of other people's I've talked to.

OK, OK, breathe!
I'm sorry, I didn't know that there was a large Mecci population there.
And yeah, Oscar would know good places to go in the bay area cuz we do have some really good Mexican food here. And Indian...Oscar goes to Vic's -the best cheap Indian restaurant here. I once saw Alice Waters there!

All I'm saying is that all the places my friend (who, by the way is half Mexican) took me to in LA were excellent.

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Re: Poll -Jay Reatard #4 Frenzy
« Reply #229 on: July 16, 2008, 11:09:57 AM »
That's not it, I can identify "Americanized" Mexican food. You assholes still cannot get over the fact that we have tons of Mexicans here. I went around Eric's (I Am the Arm) neighborhood hitting the local spots, and they were all poor. Poor because the ingredients were low grade and the food was not fresh. Asked Oscar (Gris Gris, hispanic and LA hometowner) for better spots, and he took me out to a decent place, finally. But it wasn't "out of this world" or anything, it was decent. According to several folks from LA who now live in the Bay Area (and I do realize that they moved most likely because they didn't like the LA area and are now Bay champions) the Mexican food in S California is no great shakes, and the Bay Area food is excellent. I've heard the same from a lot of bands that tour around the country, as well. It was my experience and a lot of other people's I've talked to.

OK, OK, breathe!
I'm sorry, I didn't know that there was a large Mecci population there.
And yeah, Oscar would know good places to go in the bay area cuz we do have some really good Mexican food here. All I'm saying is that all the places my friend (who, by the way is half Mexican) took me to in LA were excellent.


There is a huge mexican population in the midwest.. and there are even grocery stores that cater to that population.  I'm sure there are some excellent places.. . but many of the other places end up having to 'dumb it down' to get the whitey's to eat it.  (they're used to eating at chi chi's, chevy's and other horrible chains)
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« Reply #230 on: July 16, 2008, 11:12:25 AM »
but really, I'm all about Salvadorian food these days since I became friends with this girl who is Salvadorian. Man, it is so different from Mexican food!
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« Reply #231 on: July 16, 2008, 11:13:33 AM »
but really, I'm all about Salvadorian food these days since I became friends with this girl who is Salvadorian. Man, it is so different from Mexican food!

I can't get enough of that place across the street from the knockout.

BEST
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2.00 each!!!!

and the pickled cabbage is awesome!!

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« Reply #232 on: July 16, 2008, 11:16:43 AM »
You've got to go up Mission street further up to my hood and try Reina's.
Their pupusas are SHINY and pretty from all the grease. Soooo good.
Andy liked it too!
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« Reply #233 on: July 16, 2008, 11:30:00 AM »
dude, it's a simply matter of numbers. ballpark estimates...

the entire state of Wisconsin probably has something like 200 mexican restaurants (not counting franchised fast food pseudo-mexican). in a city like Milwaukee, there are probably 3-4 restaurants good enough to even be having this discussion. and by good enough, i don't mean authentic either, because mexican food in the midwest means there is a 1/2" of cheese covering the entire plate. so maybe 1-2 restaurants in Milwaukee serve something that resembles authentic Mexican food. multiply this across the state, and maybe there are 10 good enough restaurants to bother discussing.

the greater Los Angeles area probably has well over 1000 mexican restaurants. a good bit of these are surely mediocre or sub-par eating experiences. But with increased numbers, there is increased competition for customers, and the better places definitely have to step it up to get people coming back. there are probably 40 good to great restaurants out here. you're really telling us that you think the best Mexican food is in Wisconsin and not in LA.

also, are you sure you even like "authentic mexican food?" it really is a lot different from american mexican food. i feel like as you go up the coast, mexican food becomes more and more mexican/american fusion food (the San Francisco burrito being a perfect example). i am not saying one is better than the other, but they are different. i mean, take something as simple as a tortilla. there are countless family recipes and textures and processes, it's not really a question of which one is better, but which one suits the meal it's being served with. but there is an authentic style and an american fusion style.

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Re: Poll -Jay Reatard #4 Frenzy
« Reply #234 on: July 16, 2008, 11:41:57 AM »
cracker gives me hope for the white children of the midwest.

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Re: Poll -Jay Reatard #4 Frenzy
« Reply #235 on: July 16, 2008, 11:46:19 AM »
How about this, you know Cabela burrito place on Haight St.?  Why don't you meet me there at 7 o'clock, I'll buy you a fuckin' burrito, then I'll punch your stomach and watch your burrito fly at my own face and then I'll kick your fuckin' head in.  Then I'm gonna play some bass licks on your grave.

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Re: Poll -Jay Reatard #4 Frenzy
« Reply #236 on: July 16, 2008, 11:48:33 AM »
i think your low on your estimate.
the city of orange(population 120,00) has 47 mexican restaurants.
i'm thinking 3,000 minimun in and around l.a..

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« Reply #237 on: July 16, 2008, 11:52:10 AM »
yea, it might be that when you get used to the Americanized-ethnic food (I'm not saying that all Mexican food in Wisconsin are "Americanized"), it tastes weird when you taste the real deal...
Yes, there are undoubtedly more ace Mexican places in LA than probably anywhere in the US, just due to the sheer numbers of places. 1000 places seems very low. There are probably that many taco trucks alone in LA county.

But you guys are missing the point. From seeing both sides of this conundrum, I've come to feel that the stuff at the taqueria-type places in the Midwest may actually be more "authentic" in general than the stuff in the West. And I've eaten Mexican food everywhere. So what if I'm not Mexican? I know what to expect. I've been to Mexico countless times and I only eat where the locals eat, usually off of the street, because I'm too cheap to pay for gringo food anywhere. And I try and eat at every Mexican place I can in my own city. And comparing the Mexican food you had at home to the food at a restaurant is ridiculous. Everytime I ask a Mexican in LA where the best place to get Mexican food is, the answer is, "At my mom's house, gue!" That doesn't help me if I don't get a formal invitation.

Someone quoted something a while back that the further you get from the home country, the less real the food is. This is totally true, but it doesn't only apply to geographical proximity. East LA is closer to Michoacan than Eau Claire is to Morelia. However, many Mexican folks running restaurants in California and the SW have lived there for a long time. The owners are a long way from the way they were back in Aztlan. Not only has their cuisine picked up non-Mexican influences over time, they've developed new ideas just through innovation. That happens with any cuisine. Cooks like to evolve. Heck, people here are talking about burritos like that determines the authenticity of a Mexican or Salvadorean place. The burrito we know and love (the big log of meat, beans, and rice wrapped in a massive tortilla) doesn't exist in Mexico. That was developed in California. If a place in Mexico serves a "burrito" (and not many places do), the item you get bares no resemblance to what they're gonna serve you in the Mission or in LA. The Mission-style burrito is no yardstick of authentic Mexican food anywhere.

There are a few places like Chicago that have had large Mexican populations for years, but, in the Midwest, most of the Mexican population are fairly recent arrivals and have not had much time to assimilate and absorb Midwestern influences. In a sense, they're closer to the home country than the Mexican-Americans down in Chula Vista, who are 15 minutes from the border. I'm sure in 20 years, there will be some sort of upper Midwest Mexican food variant that will incorporate cheese curds, a fried pork tenderloin, masa, cilantro, and al pastor somehow. (I just came.) But today, the stuff they're cooking in their restaurants near the meat packing plants in IL, WI, IA, etc., is the food straight out of their villages back in Mexico. Most white hicks in those small towns aren't ready yet for the stuff they're serving and the proprietors haven't yet tweaked their menus to cater to said yokels. If you're "brave" enough to go try those places, you can get a real deal Mexican meal without having to go to California or Mexico. Sure, there are also plenty of Mexican places in the Midwest that cater to whitey, but you find places like that here, too, despite the massive numbers of real places. (Hello, Juan's.) But you can usually spot those places from a mile away, whether they're in CA or Dubuque.

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Anyone tried the Pupusas at that place across from West Oakland BART? They are great!

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« Reply #238 on: July 16, 2008, 11:52:33 AM »
dude, it's a simply matter of numbers. ballpark estimates...

the entire state of Wisconsin probably has something like 200 mexican restaurants (not counting franchised fast food pseudo-mexican).

I really don't want to get into this argument (yeah, CA has more mexican restaurants than WI but I certainly get along just fine with Taco Burrito Mexico and El Sarape -- two restaurants I highly recommend but I digress), but your ballpark estimate is way off.  

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« Reply #239 on: July 16, 2008, 12:17:02 PM »