Poll -Jay Reatard #4 Frenzy

[mikesniper]

Yeah, that blows. No argument there.

[rnld]

lol @ people sad about this

[uggly]

termbo has delivered the comic and the tragic in spades and equal measure today. somewhere, jay reatard has exited stage left in a huff...indifferent to the emotional upheavals on display.

FOR SHAME, PEOPLE. FOR SHAME!!!

[vint]

If people think the record stores are being unscrupulous there are very easy real world ways to deal with that. The stores physically exist and every human being has access to them. You don't have to bitch about the shit on the internet, you can easily burn the place down, or something more subtle. Hell, you could visit the place yourself and express your feelings to the person responsible's face and even punch it if that is your wont.

Anyway, I think all this shit is hilarious because half of you people are gonna be bitching about how Jay's new stuff isn't as good as Blood Visions or his early singles once you get the records, because you already are anyway. Everyone's got their panties in a bundle because they want something rare and they are denied access. Boo hoo, and then they complain about artifacts and being marketed to when they're the ones scrambling like chickens with their heads cut off for them and falling for the marketing they're complaining about.

Stop being pussies, if you really want the limited editions, you can save up your money and buy them. If you really want the music, you can buy the LP. It's pretty simple.

That said, I have no problem with special editions, but I have very intense feelings about limited pressings of records. I think it's economically elitist and counter to everything I feel is good about underground music. I realize that the audience for this kind of music right now is people in their mid to late twenties with disposable income, but personally I wish this stuff would get into the hands of more economically disadvantaged youth. I cringe at the thought of kids like myself and my friends when we were younger never having access to this kind of music. For that reason I choose to only work with labels that will keep my releases in print. On one hand, it'd be a massive ego stroke to see someone willing to pay fifty dollars for one of my records, but I will never knowingly allow that to happen. I would rather have excess copies sitting in record stores across the country so that maybe some curious kid would pick it up cause it was cheaper than everything else in the store and maybe the music would help them in some way, because I know plenty of records saved my life as an adolescent and teenager.

[teenagegurls]

Y-E-S!  'Watched and Laughed' into 2nd place!  KEEP VOTING!!!!

[robot]

That said, I have no problem with special editions, but I have very intense feelings about limited pressings of records. I think it's economically elitist and counter to everything I feel is good about underground music. I realize that the audience for this kind of music right now is people in their mid to late twenties with disposable income, but personally I wish this stuff would get into the hands of more economically disadvantaged youth. I cringe at the thought of kids like myself and my friends when we were younger never having access to this kind of music. For that reason I choose to only work with labels that will keep my releases in print. On one hand, it'd be a massive ego stroke to see someone willing to pay fifty dollars for one of my records, but I will never knowingly allow that to happen. I would rather have excess copies sitting in record stores across the country so that maybe some curious kid would pick it up cause it was cheaper than everything else in the store and maybe the music would help them in some way, because I know plenty of records saved my life as an adolescent and teenager.

I wholeheartedly agree.

[ADM]

There is a decent punk record store here in Baltimore that is in the back of a comic book, magic the gathering, everything else you can imagine store that constantly has at least 8 tables full of nerds playing that shit.  I never laugh, I never complain because what am I doing?

But I mean seriously, I quit.  I'm playing pokemon.

[bunkum]

marketing game. pure and simple. these could have been regular available singles until the sales slowed..or even 5,000 each pressed. of course this is incidental, this was never about money for matador.

[ADM]

YEAH GUYS QUIT BEING A BUNCH OF PUSSIES, JUST SPEND $50 ON A RECORD YOUVE NEVER HEARD.  SERIOUSLY, PUSSY.

a cockadillildoo, what are you chicken?

a faggot?

what is it going to take?

[vint]

or even 5,000 each pressed.

There will be at least 5,000 of each pressed I'm sure... when it's released in LP format.

Quit your fucking whining about not getting your precious special edition bullshit. You fuckin' pansies are a bunch of loud mouth dumbfuck whiners. You ruin rock 'n roll worse than Jay did with this idea.

I hope you all get herpes.

[TTT]

or even 5,000 each pressed.

There will be at least 5,000 of each pressed I'm sure... when it's released in LP format.

Quit your fucking whining about not getting your precious special edition bullshit. You fuckin' pansies are a bunch of loud mouth dumbfuck whiners. You ruin rock 'n roll worse than Jay did with this idea.

I hope you all get herpes.

Just for the record before I started getting bated into the finer points of the douchebaggery, I was initially just pissed off that a kid who lived far away couldn't get some music he wanted, even waiting on the day it came out.  Like he'd done for 3 other singles.  This seems to be in line with your values about the accessibility of music, so I hope you don't have a problem with this part.

I was also mad that he was being told that since he wouldn't get a copy, he actually didn't like the music and wanted an "artifact".  Someone told him that.  I'm not going to feel bad for sticking up for him when he's told that kind of shit. 

I say some dumb shit on here a lot.  But I don't regret anything I said on here today.  This is all very well thought out stuff that I completely and firmly believe in.  There are finer points to it that would need a lot of face to face discussion.  I'd really love to get over and actually talk with some of you fools.  Mike especially, he's a good one.

[CollectorScum]

But you'd definately hear outrage in the other direction (I'm smiling thinking how FURIOUS Justin CollectorScum would get) if they re-neg'ed and pressed them all in quantities more than they said they would.

Ha, I guess you're referring back to an angry post or two directed at Slovenly for their 7" series.  I don't like the dishonesty of declaring something a limited edition so it will sell fast, then pressing it again and again without changing the packaging.  Say what you will about this Matador mess, but Jay had the right idea with Shattered, repressing to fill demand, changing vinyl color and/or sleeve each time.  But I think Matador knows exactly what they're doing here.  Singles are not money-makers.  This is all PR for the collected album/CD.

But if Matador suddenly decided to make more of the singles, would I be "FURIOUS"?  Not really.  Despite the fact I do pursue many of these new manufactured rarities, I ultimately don't care very much about them.  I think a lot of releases that are making people so anxious these days (I'm thinking of DJ Rick's pre-pre-order posting) will be cheaper than original retail in 5-10 years.  Maybe some will age well and be seen as minor classics and will trade for $10-$20.  But not $100 for a Black Lips or Jay Reatard single.  The exception will be if anyone has a White Stripes level breakout success.

[Ayapapaya]

If people think the record stores are being unscrupulous there are very easy real world ways to deal with that. The stores physically exist and every human being has access to them. You don't have to bitch about the shit on the internet, you can easily burn the place down, or something more subtle. Hell, you could visit the place yourself and express your feelings to the person responsible's face and even punch it if that is your wont.

Anyway, I think all this shit is hilarious because half of you people are gonna be bitching about how Jay's new stuff isn't as good as Blood Visions or his early singles once you get the records, because you already are anyway. Everyone's got their panties in a bundle because they want something rare and they are denied access. Boo hoo, and then they complain about artifacts and being marketed to when they're the ones scrambling like chickens with their heads cut off for them and falling for the marketing they're complaining about.

Stop being pussies, if you really want the limited editions, you can save up your money and buy them. If you really want the music, you can buy the LP. It's pretty simple.

That said, I have no problem with special editions, but I have very intense feelings about limited pressings of records. I think it's economically elitist and counter to everything I feel is good about underground music. I realize that the audience for this kind of music right now is people in their mid to late twenties with disposable income, but personally I wish this stuff would get into the hands of more economically disadvantaged youth. I cringe at the thought of kids like myself and my friends when we were younger never having access to this kind of music. For that reason I choose to only work with labels that will keep my releases in print. On one hand, it'd be a massive ego stroke to see someone willing to pay fifty dollars for one of my records, but I will never knowingly allow that to happen. I would rather have excess copies sitting in record stores across the country so that maybe some curious kid would pick it up cause it was cheaper than everything else in the store and maybe the music would help them in some way, because I know plenty of records saved my life as an adolescent and teenager.

Kevin, you're just trying to be the funny guy here, right? Cuz actually, what you're saying sounds like the elitist shit talk if you are being serious. I mean, c'mon...who buys your records? Who supports your bands and many of the other bands on here? Music fans and record collectors. You're saying you wish this stuff would get into the hands of more economically disadvantaged youth, but a big bad record company (Matador is plenty big and bad with 30+ workers in the office as someone from Matador boasted here earlier) is the one that's making it hard for the little people. I may not be an youth, but I'm certainly economically disadvantaged than a lot of the folks here and certainly don't have $50 to spend on a 7" on ebay nor am I well-connected like certain people on this board who get a bunch of free stuff from bands and labels. Don't get me wrong, if I don't get this record tomorrow, it'll be a bummer but I'm not going to shed any tears over it. It's just that, to me, picking on fans makes no sense. I absolutely don't have anything against Jay, but I don't like how Matador is operating. And yeah, we're all stupid to have let them use us as a free PR campaign. I guess that's what you get for having a stupid little hobby called record collecting.

[vint]

I have met some people who work at Matador, and they seem like pretty swell people. I don't know what a big, bad corporation they are. Seems like they're just people doing their jobs like everyone else.

Anyway, the fact of the matter is, it's difficult for me to empathize with people in this situation, because I've never been a record collector. Even at times when I've bought and cherished plenty of vinyl, and I spend a decent chunk of my paychecks on records right now, it's never been about collecting as much as it's been about having the music available on a convenient format that sounds good and is aesthetically pleasing. I don't "get" the desire for colored vinyl, or special sleeves, or having something that's "rare."

There are some records that I am going to be buying in the not-too-distant future, once I am able to afford it that will set me back a few hundred dollars, and this is just for a few records. I'd rather not pay that much, especially considering I bought one of them new when it was first released for about thirty cents, but ya know, that's how much they're selling for, so I'm willing to make sacrifices in other areas of my life to buy these records. It's not something I ever could have done when I was touring all the time, or even in the past when I worked full time, but I've put myself in a position to be able to do things like this for myself now, so I will, because it's really important to me. I've already got all the music too and I listen to the shit often, but it's going to be pretty awesome to have the stuff on vinyl. Incidentally, the records I'm talking about were never released on vinyl till far after the fact. Getting "originals" of the shit would mean finding dubbed cassettes.

Anyway, that's all an aside. I don't mean to direct anything at you specifically, cause I think yer keen and all, I just think it's ridiculous how people are bitching about this shit. People are just coming off really silly to me. The music will be available, and if you simply want the artifact, well, that's how these things work with this kinda thing. I mean, there is alot of demand for this shit, and not alot of supply, the demand has increased because the supply is intentionally diminished, so it's this weird ouroboros effect that you only help fight by not taking part in the first place. I bought one of these records cause I like Jay's music and it was five bucks. My lady has another one and I thought the record was kinda bland compared to his other stuff. The one I bought was alright. I'm sure if I like more of what I hear I'll buy the album when it comes out, till then if I really need to hear the songs, I'm sure I can find them online or something.

It just seems like a silly thing to get panties in a bundle about. 

[teenagegurls]

I WAS THERE AT THE JAY REATARD RE-PRE-ORDER MASSACRE, GOODGODYALL!!!!