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[Vince Clortho Keymaster of Gozac]

Hey not to come off like a dick or anything Clint because I'm sure in person you are a helluva guy but with this black and white world view perhaps its a blessing that you have not brought children into the world yet.

[panama fist]

So is anybody on here married?  Anybody with kids?  Anybody that has noticed themselves going to fewer shows since these things have happened?  I myself just turned 29; I still go to as many shows as ever and I'm currently in two bands.

I've been thinking about these things lately because a few weeks ago Scott(guitar player in Rapid Adapter) went to a wedding back home in VA.  There he met up with a bunch of "kids" from back in the day.  They all applauded him for still being in a band and still going to shows at the ripe of old age of 28.

They, on the other hand, were a sad bunch: crummy jobs, crummy lives, crummy girls that are already their wives.  Their big thrill is going to whatever new blockbuster movie comes out that week.

Always just feel so embarrassed for anyone that's married or especially has kids before 30-ish or so.   I know the bulk of people out there are just generic filler and never had anything to offer to begin with.   Ya know, so it's not so sad if they've given up on life, because they weren't ever gonna add anything to the discourse anyways.

Still though, it's weird.  I want to ask all of them, "Haven't you been paying attention?  Don't you know how tacky it is to have kids at 23?"

People, whadda-ya gonna do with 'em?

Clint, Not sure how you'll be able to shoulder both the embarrassment of me breeding before the age of 30 and your total idiocy but with any luck you'll make it. 

i was married AND divorced before 30. i deserve to be dead. dave, can you take me out back and finish me off?

[vint]

I have plenty of friends who have kids. That started happening when I was fifteen. I love all those cute little shits. They're like my nieces and nephews. Still, I can relate to what Clint is saying, and I think we all know what he's talking about. I see Dave Martin at shows all the time, stand up dude, you can just tell he's a great father, also down for "the cause." Clint's talking about small town shit though. That shit is depressing. And, ya know, it doesn't always take a whole lot of passion or love for those types to raise a family either.

I don't really know what Clint's point was other than "man, that's kinda depressing, people my age trading their dreams for empty lives that they fill with offspring" which, like I said, I can certainly relate to.

[vint]

Just did some math in my head and realized I have friends with kids who are older than I was when I started playing shows, getting drunk and using drugs. Friends my age with kids that age. That kinda shit does kinda make you feel a little funny and maybe a little old, which is kinda strange in itself given that I'm not even thirty yet. Oh well.

[goneoffdatlean]

Just going to shows, being in bands and being part of the "scene" is probably as empty to some people as getting married, having kids and such is to you.

Hell, I'm only 26 and I was seriously getting tired of going to shows and I haven't been in a band in two years.  

[TTT]

when i was single i had days where i wanted to be married and days where i didnt want to be married.  not that im married i have days where i want to be married and days where i dont want to be married.  thats all i know.

[Vince Clortho Keymaster of Gozac]

Since missing the May Livefastdie tour due to professional obligations I have become a vapid shell of the man I once was.

[vint]

Not saying that there is anything inherently fulfilling about playing music or attending shows.

Just saying that it's depressing watching people you care about give up their lives because they accidentally knocked up the slut from down the block who is such a cunt she won't let him talk to his old friends anymore, because they're a bad influence.

[Whet Bull]

Acapulco Rodriguez (r) with family:

We go to shows together all the time, friends.

[vint]

I got friends with kids who are inspiring and friends with kids who are depressing. Seems like I run into a lot more people with kids who are depressing than inspiring, at least from people my age, but then again I'm one of those people who believes that you owe it to your children to try and achieve what you want out of life before you settle down and have children. It seems pretty simple to me. Some people have no dreams other than having kids though, and that is depressing to me too, seems kind of empty to me, but maybe that's because I've never really had any desire to procreate.

Anyway, blah blah blah, we can go in circles forever with this. It should be pretty obvious to everyone what Clint is saying, no need to take it personally just because half of you were old and boring the moment you hopped out yer ma's cunt.

[Whet Bull]

My wife and I are having children as early as possible because we don't want them to miss any good shows.

[fuckgaze]

Acapulco Rodriguez (r) with family:

We go to shows together all the time, friends.

hah!

yeah, why do you care so much? i mean, i know what you're trying to say but it sounds pretty stupid. i have friends from high school who ive lost touch with, mainly because what i enjoy doing isnt what they enjoy doing anymore, or as Officer Brad said, maybe never truly had deep desire but was just being a young kid with nothing to do. im not gonna cry about old friends who decided to get married, buy a house, have nice cars, buy a boat, a john deere, fuck and have kids. thats normal life for the masses. id rather get drunk, take lsd, smoke dope, listen to records loud, piss off the neighbors, play video games, jerk off, punch myself, yell at people, hate everything and fuck the grocery store clerk. i guess thats not for everyone though. either is getting married. TERMBO!

[teenagegurls]

My wife and I are having children as early as possible because we don't want them to miss any good shows.

lame.  i'm petitioning to have my children adopted by the scene.  it takes a village.  and the village needs doormen. 

[TTT]

Kevin, that situaion with a one night stand and having a kid is bad news.  I think everyone could agree with that.  I think you and Clint both have a good outlook on that part of it for sure.  If thats what Clint means by it too.  

I think you have to be able to be a rapid adapter though if it does happen.  As for getting married, just make sure you can deal with the chic.  My woman for example does not like any kind of good music.  but I love her for who she is.  and she balances me out too.  I used to be very nihilistic and get into these self-deprecating "life is over" type of funks because I thought that getting married was "ruining me", but I was ruining myself with that outlook.  I thought SHE was doing this to me, but I was being a big fat pussy because I was blaming her existence as a wife for me not getting off my own fucking ass and achieving anything.  Its the hardest thing in the world to realize and te easiest thing in the world to do.  you just get off your ass and deal with it.

[Old Kyle]

Those people were just bound to become boring and out of it anyway.  Kids change things, but shouldn't change your basic identity and interests.  They were dilettantes.


I love having a kid.  If I still wanted to party all night long and take a lot of drugs, then he would have changed me, but I don't (guess I was a party dilettante).  Within reason, we've tried to treat ours like a little adult and as such he's fun to be around (though that does cause him issues with not being able to relate to kids his age; so everything's a double edged sword).

The coolest thing is that he likes good music; he hears what I listen to and picks up on the cream of it.  Case in point; he loves Dan Melchior.  It's cool having another dude in the house to talk about music and records.  He's a good singer and piano player too, which is fun.  I'm sure the teen years will be extremely trying but we'll live.