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Re: RECTAL DEPTH: Young Steve vs. Piranhas
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2008, 09:57:03 AM »
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Piranhas ?Erotic Grit Movies? CD/LP
 
I don?t know if anyone else has the guts to say it, so I might as well go ahead: this is actually pretty damn disappointing.  Maybe that disappointment stems from paying over twenty dollars for this in Tokyo last December, but I paid the same for the new Lost Sounds, and I think that is certifiably genius. But this? aw shucks?the worst part is this could have been one of the best albums in ages if they just fucking wrote some more actual songs for the damn thing.  Tracks like ?Girls Like It Too? and ?Madeline? are up there with anything else they?ve done, but the majority of this is simply too wanky and out there for me to get into.  How can half assed art jams like ?The Great Glitter Nest? suffice from the band that wrote ?Future Primitive??  Why did they have to put this shit out?  I?m so confused?
 
Cheap Record You Should Buy Instead Of This:  Fact:  I could have bought the double LP set of the Who?s ?Sell Out? and ?A Quick One:? albums THREE TIMES OVER with what I paid for this CD.  Which would have been sweet, cause then I could have sent one to the Piranhas and show them that when a band wants to get a little bit artsy they don?t necessarily have to abandon catchy, coherent songwriting.  If you don?t already own the ?Quick One? LP and you are even considering buying the sludge fest that is the new Piranhas, you are a real fool?s fool.  Not only that but you have less taste than a room full of tongue amputees. (SS)
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Re: RECTAL DEPTH: Young Steve vs. Piranhas
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2008, 09:58:12 AM »
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Piranhas ?Piscis Clangor? 12? EP
I am now fully convinced that the Piranhas should be filed under performance art from here on. I really think you must need to see the incredible (I've been told) live show to get them now, as they've gone pretty far off the deep end musically. The intro either reminds me of the Butthole Surfers, or the backward-speak of the midget in the Black Lodge from "Twin Peaks". Music-wise you get 23 minutes of sound collage, mutant free jazz, art-rock, and just a general racket that sounds largely improvised, all with the pained howling of an animal reciting free verse over it. Difficult listening with occassional flashes of brilliance (though far fewer than on previous records) that still don't permit me to get through half of the record without getting pissed. Maybe that's the point: music to piss people off? Either way, I lost them after "Dictating Machine Service", and I've actually given them some listening effort. I've tried, and I'm not ashamed to say I don't get it, and don't really want to now. I just can't see any reason to listen to this more than once.You should know if this band is for you anymore. (RK)
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Insight trivet gangplow varia
Resuit valetudinarian export brush toe
Remonstrate preterminal villager slice oboe
Fortuity enthuse boathouse headlong lockjaw.

I just wrote that first stanza
Just now, no practice
By consulting random words that
Looked enthralling in
The 1970 paperback edition of
The Merriam-Webster Dictionary
I am T((((a))))lented

It reads like the lyric sheet
To this E.P.
Which sounds like the second album
Which I liked for a couple months
Before I realized that
HEY!
I enjoyed this band much more
When they played it straight
And weren?t hell-bent on playing
The
W! E! I! R! D!
Card
Reminds me of
ALLY SHEEDY
In the Bkfst Clb

She looked cute
When she wore that
Popular chick?s make-up!
Have you seen
MOLLY RINGWALD
These days?
Hotttttttttttttt----.

But anyways
Like the second alb
This contains no real songs
Just (mostly) nonsensical
Snippets
(Snip)
of mish-mashed bygone art-punk
That have nothing to do
With one another
And the lyric sheet
Reads like dumbshit
W! E! I! R! D!
poetry

And poetry is for assholes
And art is for poets
And when is this band going
To revert back to that cool
Black Flag w/ keyboards thing
They had goin??

I will now eat
Cott------age Cheeeeeeeez. (EL)

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I just invented the "cut and paste" technique for use in Microsoft Word. Tip o' the needle don't have the last name Soriano, course. I honestly am not sure if this band is over all our eyes, but explain precisely WHY you like for some reason I continue to listen. Mostly because they have PARTS and PIECES, they were before the break-up. to Mr. Burroughs, of Shit, it's and partially because kinda weird that this is on In the Red, as it doesn't really hit longer than a few seconds, so many cool sounding so fucking amazing pulling the wool so maybe Larry knows the any sorta groove for answer? If you can this, and please send me an email. (TK)
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Re: RECTAL DEPTH: Young Steve vs. Piranhas
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2008, 10:01:02 AM »
(and yes i realize stuff can grow on you and opinions can change after time. but its funny to see the initial reaction to these records now.)

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Re: RECTAL DEPTH: Young Steve vs. Piranhas
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2008, 10:07:31 AM »

 - Steve puttin' a-hurtin' on this thread

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Re: RECTAL DEPTH: Young Steve vs. Piranhas
« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2008, 10:17:45 AM »

 - Steve puttin' a-hurtin' on this thread

How?
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Re: RECTAL DEPTH: Young Steve vs. Piranhas
« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2008, 12:22:55 PM »
My whole point isn't that it's impossible for music to stimulate thought - it's that thinking shouldn't be a prerequisite to appreciate music because it opens the doors for all kinds of justifications on why one should like something that isn't sonically appealing. For instance, in my mind I know why "LA Blues" is the perfect culmination of the hellride that is "Funhouse" but that doesn't mean I think it's a "good" song on a strictly sonic level because it's just a bunch of abrasive noise. Some people might be hardwired to actually like the sound of a one way radio transmitting from hell, but my guess is that there are a lot more who talk themselves into appreciating it. If that's the case then does the person enjoy the song itself or are they enjoying a projection of their own thoughts onto the song?

And Erick, I never said literature couldn't effect you emotionally. But you can't apprehend literature without the intellect.

Fact is people come to music, lit, art from so many different places including cultural background, parenting, psych quirks, physical differences, education, etc. that there are no hard fast rules about how people perceive or understand things, beyond basic science and even those rules can be compromised. As important is the understanding that life is not static and there for one's interaction with art is not fixed.

I've got to admit this is pretty well stated and has more than a grain of truth to it. I would expand on it though to add that the differences Scott mentioned account for the formation of people's entire worldview not just how they see music.



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Re: RECTAL DEPTH: Young Steve vs. Piranhas
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2008, 12:54:18 PM »
anyone have a copy of Erotic Grit Movies on LP to sell?

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Re: RECTAL DEPTH: Young Steve vs. Piranhas
« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2008, 01:06:29 PM »
Why are you so convinced that people must be tricking themselves into liking difficult things? 
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Re: RECTAL DEPTH: Young Steve vs. Piranhas
« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2008, 01:17:54 PM »
Because if they find something difficult it implies they have to "work" to understand and appreciate it. Again, I'm not saying everyone who likes abrasive music does this, but I think a lot do. Whether or not it's the majority there are people who talk themselves into liking things because they think they should. I know because I've talked to friends who have told me so and I used to do it myself. Notice I called the Lost Sounds "genius" in that review up there. Utterly shameful.




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Re: RECTAL DEPTH: Young Steve vs. Piranhas
« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2008, 01:24:15 PM »
But as I'm sure you've experienced, there are also those things that don't click upon first listen, but after a couple more spins they start to become enjoyable, or they start to make sense, and sometimes they even amount to being some of your favorite shit ever.  This doesn't have to have anything to do with "convincing yourself that you should like it".  I'm not denying that this happens to people, and I'm sure I've even fallen prey to it myself, but don't make it seem like it's more widespread than it is.

It also makes me wonder:  if there's stuff out there that people are convincing themselves that they like because they're supposed to according to certain taste makers, then does anybody genuinely like it?  Do you think that the original source of "this is good, check it out" is also convincing themselves that they're "supposed" to like it and is trying to dupe others into liking it along with him in order to not feel so swindled.  I'm not trying to sound condescending, I just don't really get this firm stance of yours.
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Re: RECTAL DEPTH: Young Steve vs. Piranhas
« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2008, 01:27:14 PM »
I still think Piscis Clangor sucks.

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Re: RECTAL DEPTH: Young Steve vs. Piranhas
« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2008, 03:09:09 PM »
can't you let young steve remain in his musical ghetto

can't you

can't you let college dork posturing about punk rock go steve

can't you

can you turn up the fucking HEAVY ROCK

can you

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Re: RECTAL DEPTH: Young Steve vs. Piranhas
« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2008, 03:15:39 PM »
I just watched the Hawkwind doc.

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Re: RECTAL DEPTH: Young Steve vs. Piranhas
« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2008, 03:32:13 PM »
Please note that the SS in the abobe review is Young Steve, not Scott Soriano. I'd never write anything that idiotic. Okay, maybe I would, but not about that record.

One more thing, Steve:  Your contention that literature is not immediate is stupid. If literature is story telling, then, yes, it can be immediate. Dostoyevsky is immediate. It is also complex and by complex I dont mean that he writes long books and uses Russian names. Melville is immediate and also complex. You can read either Crime & Punishment or Moby Dick without a guide. If you can't read. You can have someone read it to you and understand it. How deep the understanding depends on what you bring to it. I read C&P for the first time when I was 16. It blew me away. I read it when I was 30 and fourteen years of life and years of studying Russian history and the language gave me a much greater understanding and appreciation of it, but I dont think it blew me away any more than when I was a wee brained lad. That is what great art is about. Finnegan's Wake is a great book. When Joyce wrote it, he joked that he would have academics arguing about what it meant while the common Irishman, reading it aloud to each other would get the humor and word play, and thus the meaning, or at least the basic meaning of the book. The book was meant to be read aloud and its main audience was the Irish, so in that context it is neither complex or difficult. It is immediate and was designed to be.

Music is the same. Chopin, Monk, Cage, James Brown are all complex and immediate and one does not get in the way of the other. Plenty of Indian classical music or Arab music or gamelon sounds complex to people who aren't atune to the music, but it isnt. You like Group Innare because you can understand it within a rock & roll context. You would probably have more of a problem with Hazma al Din, who is less complex and more immediate than Group I. But it is very traditional and not based on Western musical concepts.

I dont like the distinction between high art and low art. To me it is too class oriented, but I do think there is a difference between a high level of artisticness and a low level. To me the highest level is to make the complex immediate and not only make the creation of it seem effortless but the experience of it can be effortless as well. It is also one that takes time and effort to fully appreciate. Get years in and you realize that Moby Dick is one of the funniest books ever written, something you wont get when you read excerpts in high school or the whole thing in an American Lit class. None of this means that GG Allin or the Simpletones arent great listening or that Harry Whittington aint worth tracking down or that there is no merit to Attack of the Killer Tomatos. Ultimately it comes down to what you enjoy. And I and others enjoy late Piranhas for a bunch of different things and for different reasons (I'd say the two primary ones are blind energy and free imagination, two things not high on your pop-sensible list....and that is fine). To us, it is obvious that they are immediate. Not to you. Your head isnt there. Your heart isnt there. Maybe it will get there. Maybe you arent wired for it. I am 86 years old, 350 pounds and 4'6" yet I still like to shoot some hoop. It will never be effortless or very pretty, and because of my age, size, and stature I might not be able to appreciate basketball like Michael Jordan or Kobe Rapist can, but I still like it. I am not sure what that means but it seems like a good way to end this babble. 
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Re: RECTAL DEPTH: Young Steve vs. Piranhas
« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2008, 03:56:22 PM »
I still think Piscis Clangor sucks.

Sure.

And I always thought that Lastname review was hilarious, even though I completely disagree with it.