i've really enjoyed reading all of your perspectives on this subject. i wish i could articulate my thoughts as well as some of you. truth is though that steve did lose the total war (partly because his initial assesment of the piranhas as a band that people fool themselves into liking is ridiculous- just cuz i think it's kinda fake doens't mean that someone else isn't gonna get something more meaningful out of it [did i just contradict my whole general attitude about music?] and mostly because quitting termbo is really pussy- he practically lives here- grow a pair!). and on that note, pisces clangor really isn't that exciting. i liked their 1st album much better. the skronkiness of p.c. seems contrived to my ears. sure does look cool in my collection though. HAR!