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Re: Punk Books
« Reply #165 on: January 27, 2016, 01:57:37 PM »
Oh yeah forgot about that acquisition.

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« Reply #166 on: January 27, 2016, 07:21:35 PM »


Re-read this one a few months ago. I initially bought it just for the Pointed Sticks reference. It's definitely worth reading. My only is complaint that the author missed a few essential bands when covering some of the smaller provinces, which I guess is bound to happen when you're researching smaller communities. Recommended.

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« Reply #167 on: February 08, 2016, 04:39:07 PM »
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1783057882/ref=rdr_ext_tmb

There's a new Suicide bio out. Hopefully it's better than the last one. I'm such a Suicide nerd that I'll probably buy it regardless.

There's two books about Suicide? I didn't know of even one until now. I have an aversion to hard back books but I may use an Amazon giftcard on this.

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Re: Punk Books
« Reply #168 on: February 09, 2016, 09:16:09 AM »
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1783057882/ref=rdr_ext_tmb

There's a new Suicide bio out. Hopefully it's better than the last one. I'm such a Suicide nerd that I'll probably buy it regardless.

Review of first one. New one by Kris Needs is much better, though not great
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Suicide: No Compromise by David Nobahkt.

Put simply:  an exceedingly awful book about a great, some would say heroic, band.

First, the band. If you are reading this blog, then chances are you know about Suicide, have formed an opinion and even if they ain't your thing you have to acknowledge their sheer bravado and their influence on a number of punk, post-punk and un-punk (in one of the books many failings Nobahkt focuses more on the relationship between Suicide and lightweight synth bands like Soft Cell than the band's relationship to their Max's, CBGB's contemporaries) combos from 1970 something to the present day. Me, I can't get enough of Frankie Teardrop, their new LP american supreme (which provides the soundtrack for the churn that you are reading) and all points, solo and combo, in between. So, you'll agree:  Love 'em or loathe 'em Suicide's legacy can not be denied. Rev, Vega and the whole scene they created, countervaled, ignored, were ignored by, propagated and perpetuated, in fact, seem to be worthy subjects for a multi-volume Proust like rendering.

Second, the writer. David Nobahkt is no Proust nor is he even Judith Kranz. Here is a man offering himself as a "writer" yet he can not string together two coherent sentences. I have no quotes to offer you. Just go to a bookstore or library and do a "No Compromise" dive, Take the book from its shelf, flip it open to a random page, strike with your finger and there's a 99% chance you will find an incomprehensible sentence, some inappropriate, ineffective word choice, so-called "oral history" that sounds like a soap opera actor reading from a teleprompter, questionable spellage, the salt and pepper approach to punctuation (sprinkle on the commas, some of them are bound to land in the correct spots) or a multi-faceted combination thereof.

Now since Nobahkt has taken the oral history approach--an effective rendition of this can be found via Legs McNeil's "Please Kill Me" or even his less effective follow-up about the porn industry "The Other Hollywood--No Compromise could have been enjoyable or at least something other than objectionable despite Nobahkt's--who, by the way, resembles one of Peter Bagge's grotesque humanoid caricatures from HATE--massive problems with written English's basic challenges. However, as it turns out, the author has no skills as an interviewer and/or transcriber.

Rev and Vega, two of this mortal coil's more fascinating humans, make up the bulk of the book's talk and, while they seemingly yammered plenty to the obsequious Nobahkt, they really don't say much. Minimal history, minimal bio, minimal social commentary, nuts & bolts factoids about one damn album--group and solo--after another, the fans hate 'em, the fans love 'em, blah blah blah.


It's fascinating reading about the show where for the first time fans spit on 'em, less so when it happens 50 or 60 more times and you get the same rote account of such now tiresome ennui. Other stuff I've read from and about these guys has piqued my interest as to how they feel about art, love, violence, rock and roll, race, gender (you can substitute my inflated categories w/ like minded ones:  dope, guns, fucking in the streets, etc.), but Rev's and Vega's endless droning is--unlike the endless drone of Suicide--ultimately of slight interest.

Also missing is any extensive commentary from their NYC contemporaries, especially that of the negative variety and I've read and heard enough to know that Rev and Vega had some difficult doings w/ many of their Big Apple counterparts over the years. WHERE'S THE DIRT?

Instead, the book's other yakkers range from producers (like the Cars Ric Ocasek, a long time champion of the band) to family and friends and--again I object--celebrity hangers on like the melon head Henry Rollins (any time this guy talks it's all about him and his empty vessel of a career or his not-on-purpose anti-art in a variety of media) and the far more loathsome Michael Stipe and his drunken spear carrier Peter Buck. I  tell ya if I hear one more fuckin' story about that fuckin' record store in Athens and how these two gave each other handjobs while listening to the Velvet Underground . . .but I digress.

For a description of the actual content of the book's other talkers skip back a few paragraphs and apply the Rev-Vega matrix to this bunch. Every once in a while someone, like the guy from Primal Scream or the guy from The Jesus and Mary Chain or Ocasek, says something remotely interesting, but a lot of  the so-called jabber does not "sound" like people talking and a lot more of it is repetitive and shallow to the extreme. I guess it's a perverse kind of "art" to be able make Rev and Vega seem boring, but here it is, in the blather-without-end of No Compromise.

For the book's organizational principle (seemingly developed w/ the goal of maximum reader tedium in mind) Nobahkt "links" the various talking points (of varying duration) together via the "brilliant" (""=saracasm) strategy of finding every review everyone has ever written about Suicide, live and on record, determining every pieces' most insipid passages  and slapping them onto the page with all the grace and positive effect of a prison cafeteria worker slathering mac & cheese on to a convict's tray. These largely content-free excerpts  are "links" only in that they continue the book's tiresome chronology and for some of Nobahkt's more outrageous butcherings of written English check the tortured way most of the quotes are offered.

I will now confess. I've read most of the book, but find myself physically unable to read any more of it. The few attempts I've made at re-opening it have resulted in its words rearranging themselves into some kind of heretofore unseen, unreadable language and then a soundtrack starts up in my head:  Soft Cell, REM, Rollins Band,  Flock of Seagulls, Kajagoogoo . . .

All in all you'll get more a feel for New York and Suicide by reading a Zagat's Guide to the Lower East Side (is there one?). Really, one of the worst rock and roll books ever and I've read a good bit of 'em, even the ones by Chuck Eddy.

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Re: Punk Books
« Reply #169 on: February 20, 2016, 09:25:47 PM »
England's Hidden Reverse reprint looks like it's available:

https://www.bookdepository.com/England-s-Hidden-Reverse/9781907222177

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« Reply #170 on: February 20, 2016, 10:08:02 PM »
England's Hidden Reverse reprint looks like it's available:

https://www.bookdepository.com/England-s-Hidden-Reverse/9781907222177

As soon as the first copy lands in someones hands I'll believe it.

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Re: Punk Books
« Reply #171 on: February 21, 2016, 11:53:27 PM »
This looks good:

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Dokkiri! Japanese Indies Music 1976-1989 A History and Guide
By David Hopkins
Dokkiri! tells the history of a remarkable complex of musical subcultures that developed in Japan from the mid-1970s. Starting with a discussion of the earliest rumblings of punk and new wave, all types of independently produced music are covered in more detail than has ever appeared in English before. Punk, art music, noise, hardcore, psychedelic, dance music and more.
 
"This book fills in the gaps in my own appreciation of the Japanese independent music scene and provides context for sounds, lyrics and personalities that were all opaque mysteries until now."
---Steve Albini
"Knowledge, affection and respect for the music illuminate an incredible creative and innovative scene. The what. The why. The how."
---Ian MacKaye
"Hopkins is that rare scene historian who was there at the beginning: and he's still there, recounting the details and telling the stories that no one else can remember. Maniacs and beginners alike, start here!"
---David Novak, author of Japanoise

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Show会 Fanzine download
This was a legendary Public Bath Records scenezine from 1991, covering many topics of the Japanese underground, and more specifically, the Osaka underground of that era. There are reviews of CDs, tapes, shows, videos and more. There are interviews with several bands, including an important interview with the Boredoms. There is fiction and other silliness. An interesting time capsule. It originally came with two full cassettes of listening material, but difficulties contacting the members of now defunct bands for permissions mean that the sounds will not be available at this time. Maybe later.

http://www.publicbathpress.com/%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88%E3%82%A2/
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Re: Punk Books
« Reply #172 on: February 23, 2016, 01:10:00 AM »
England's Hidden Reverse reprint looks like it's available:

https://www.bookdepository.com/England-s-Hidden-Reverse/9781907222177

As soon as the first copy lands in someones hands I'll believe it.

Believe it. It's out in the UK now. Went to the launch night at Cafe Oto the other night and picked up a copy. Strange Attractor Press did a great job, it looks fantastic.

http://strangeattractor.co.uk/shoppe/englands-hidden-reverse/

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« Reply #173 on: February 23, 2016, 04:35:02 PM »
This looks good:

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Dokkiri! Japanese Indies Music 1976-1989 A History and Guide
By David Hopkins
Dokkiri! tells the history of a remarkable complex of musical subcultures that developed in Japan from the mid-1970s. Starting with a discussion of the earliest rumblings of punk and new wave, all types of independently produced music are covered in more detail than has ever appeared in English before. Punk, art music, noise, hardcore, psychedelic, dance music and more.
 
"This book fills in the gaps in my own appreciation of the Japanese independent music scene and provides context for sounds, lyrics and personalities that were all opaque mysteries until now."
---Steve Albini
"Knowledge, affection and respect for the music illuminate an incredible creative and innovative scene. The what. The why. The how."
---Ian MacKaye
"Hopkins is that rare scene historian who was there at the beginning: and he's still there, recounting the details and telling the stories that no one else can remember. Maniacs and beginners alike, start here!"
---David Novak, author of Japanoise

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Show? Fanzine download
This was a legendary Public Bath Records scenezine from 1991, covering many topics of the Japanese underground, and more specifically, the Osaka underground of that era. There are reviews of CDs, tapes, shows, videos and more. There are interviews with several bands, including an important interview with the Boredoms. There is fiction and other silliness. An interesting time capsule. It originally came with two full cassettes of listening material, but difficulties contacting the members of now defunct bands for permissions mean that the sounds will not be available at this time. Maybe later.

http://www.publicbathpress.com/%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88%E3%82%A2/

This looks awesome.   Hopefully it'll be available in the States.

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« Reply #174 on: February 24, 2016, 09:22:15 AM »
'Disco's Dead, Murders In' still blows my.mind on a second read. Surreal in the violence that crippled and was a symptom of ending the biggest punk scene in the country. I don't know of other books that have excavated the really ugly side of punk like this.

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Re: Punk Books
« Reply #175 on: February 24, 2016, 09:24:49 PM »
Has anybody picked up that Replacements "Trouble Boys" book? If so, any good?
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« Reply #176 on: April 13, 2016, 01:15:55 AM »
Mentioned it before, but I finally finished the Marc E. Smith book and only realized, or considered, that the book has a co-author, and even, shit, the subtitle, The Gospel According To...so a long edited tirade interview, well-well-edited...I'm sure the cut-up-like interstitials and other little things are his writing...but the tirade part must be a huge reaction to the bust-up in NY that I'd only heard about recently...and I guess that ex-band members book which seemed to come out right before Renegade was also an impetus(?). I really want to read that now. It's hard because I do think there is a huge drop-off in later Fall, and Riley truly contributed a bunch...Been listening to a lot of Creepers stuff, and I think it bears me out YMMV. Also listening to later Fall and yeah, no...again its hard for me because I think the singles A-sides thing was my first intro to the Fall and really fell in love with that, but buying stuff life Infotainment and Kurious Oranj more or less when they came out...meh...and I was getting into modern dance at that point in my life (worry not, it didn't last long)...

But bottom-line: Still a good read if you're a Fall fan at all for the slight peak inside his head...

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« Reply #177 on: April 14, 2016, 04:00:08 PM »
The writing in 'the fallen' is so bad, I didn't make it past a couple chapters. If I remember correctly the author uses the term 'the wonderful and frightening world of...' at least twice a page.

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« Reply #178 on: April 14, 2016, 04:17:41 PM »
totally agree that the writing in 'the fallen' is really terrible.

the ghost written 'renegade' is by far the best fall book i've read, cause it captures the weirdness, spite and humour way better than any of the others.
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« Reply #179 on: April 14, 2016, 07:24:35 PM »
Has anybody picked up that Replacements "Trouble Boys" book? If so, any good?

I thought it was great.  Very depressing; not a happy bunch of people for various reasons, going back to childhood, or possible owing to clinical depression, in Paul's case.  I knew they drank a lot, but I didn't really realize they were one of the hardest partying bands ever (drinking and drugging to such excess that it doesn't sound fun at all).  It's insane, the lengths they would go to sabotage themselves.