what i'm saying i guess is that it is possible to be a punk, play in a band, but have that band not be a punk band. just cuz yr punk doesn't make yr band punk.
i mean look at the titus andronicus guy. he thinks he's punk, he thinks his band is punk, he convinced the mainstream press that his band is punk, but his band is not punk.

it's not punk, but it's god-tier beard-core