Hey Prim, Over Here

[CDR]

I'm gonna address a couple of your points here.

First, from a practical standpoint, it's hard for us to specifically address any of this stuff on termbo because we don't know who anybody is on here. It's just anonymous internet wraiths bitching at us. I can't open the singles club excel doc and pull up your info and say, oh violet time's stuff shipped last month, but prism's stuff hasn't shipped for reason x. Like, there's not much I can do with a "fuck you guys" type of one liner from someone that's not posting under their real name. All I can do is address general concerns.

So, generally, the thing is running behind because every single aspect of putting out records has increased in price by a lot in the last 24 months. When we did the math to price out year two we were counting on selling about 450 subscriptions and making about $3,200 or so. Mind you, that's $3,200 for a years work, that's less than $300 a month profit for the 60 man hours a month needed to do the legwork. We ended up selling about 350 subscriptions, with that amount of scrips sold, best case scenario was we were gonna break even. Then, the cost of shipping, plating and manufacturing records and art increased. At this point the year two singles club will cost us around fifteen hundred bucks by the time it is done. Couple that with some of the long turnarounds for payout (sometimes 5 months or more) by the distros that buy the majority of our stock and we weren't generating enough cash from LP's quickly enough to keep the singles going to press. So, we just put a bunch of our own money in the club to keep it running. I work at a pressing plant and I actually have 50% taken from each of my paychecks and put directly into singles club records to get this thing over with. However, pressing records is expensive, so we can't pump enough money into the club out of our own pockets quickly enough to keep the thing running on time.

Don't think I'm whining, because I'm not. Losing tons of money and constantly fielding angry phone calls and e-mails from people furious about their lost records is par for the course when running an indie label. We all knew that's how this would go when we started CDR. My point is, it's basically gonna take as long as it takes and you're gonna have to deal with it. The other option is we refund everybody's money that is dissatisfied and we immediately go under. That means no more records from us and the singles club stops. That would also mean selling off the CDR studio which would leave Columbus without a decent place for bands to record on the cheap. Which at this point I'm open to if that is what the public demands. But it would basically have to work like everybody get s a refund or no one does.

Currently, we are one single away from this thing being done. So, think on it.

If I'm hearing at least Prim and most of the people complaining in the Singles Club thread tho, I think there's just a lot of frustration about how murky our when what got shipped system is. So, I can work with everybody on that. I could post the whole singles club subscribers list over in the SCY2! thread and spell out what to has shipped to each person and we could run the thing like that till the end. That is how some of the mailorder sections on DIY electronics forums I cruise work. It's a pretty good system.

So, we can have this discussion here and we can let the free market do it's work.

[Sprague]

If anyone's full of shit it's you, everything you write on here is so stupid and embarassing it's almost painful to read. Why don't you go and cry some more about some dude wanting to interview a band you thought of interviewing first. Or tell us more about all the drugs you've done, or how your urine smelled in prison. How about another exciting story about something that happened in Russia?

FCUKIN STOUUUUUSH!!!



SHE7S ALL ON FOR YOUNG AND OLD HERE IN THE POP PUNK FORIIIII!!!!

[decentdod]

Thanks for the long explanation. If you're going to do a year 3, simply charge a bit more and/or press it up to 500 copies. The bands you get are far better than these other singles clubs (Hozac is hit or miss and Lemon Sessions was sub-par - sorry guys). You'll still easily get most of us from Year 1 and 2 to sign up. We understand shit happens and everything you do is solid. Hate to see a potential great lineup get squashed over a few $...

[CDR]

it's the lack of communication that's been annoying to me.

Haha, glad this was pop punked!

Ok, I'll do the post exactly what got shipped to who when in the SCY2! thread starting this week and we can go from there. Prolly Tuesday after we get the rest of the Psandwich records out the door.

I pop punked this myself, I figured I'd save the admins the hassle.

I'd also like to go on record as saying Kevin is one of the more standup dudes I know. Remember, everybody is more off-putting on the internet. Everybody.

Thanks for the long explanation. If you're going to do a year 3, simply charge a bit more and/or press it up to 500 copies. The bands you get are far better than these other singles clubs (Hozac is hit or miss and Lemon Sessions was sub-par - sorry guys). You'll still easily get most of us from Year 1 and 2 to sign up. We understand shit happens and everything you do is solid. Hate to see a potential great lineup get squashed over a few $...

Thanks, but there is def not gonna by a year 3, I, for one, am getting too old for all for all that drama. We've got a million LP's in the cue anyway. We're just gonna do five or six LP's a year and ride this swaybacked half-lame horse right into the sunset of middle age.

[erickelric]

Remember, everybody is more off-putting on the internet. Everybody.

Pretty sure I'm more off-putting in person. On here, I'm a pussycat.

[bradxxx]

probably too pedestrian for your tastes, but did you ever read the stand?

you remind me of harold lauder.

go get 'em, tiger.

[Sunshine]

probably too pedestrian for your tastes, but did you ever read the stand?

you remind me of harold lauder.

go get 'em, tiger.

HAHAHHAHAAH

[denkinger]

"Chocolate Payday bars?" 

Hey CDR, if you had just posted the missive above a long long time ago, there would be close to zero hard feelings. Everyone understands the math of your situation, it's just that this board has hosted more than it's share of outright rip offs, so your silence effectively lumped you in with fly-by-night cynical frauds. It's not like you had to put up an excel spread sheet of your finances, just a post about the general state of the label would have sufficed. And what you did finally post is pretty much what I thought the deal was. It's the economy, stupid, etc.

The quality of your past releases was so high that everyone was willing to cut you endless slack, myself included.

Now looking forward to the final installment, peace on Earth, goodwill to men.