American Hardcore tracklist

[Maltodextrin]

Oh, I like the Stalin too.

Indulge me and download the Subhumans "Firing Squad" (the Canadian hardcore band, not the vegetarian ska band from England).  If you don't love it, fair enough, but I think you should-- and the inferior flip was on an early KBD, if that validates it.

[shauuuun]

I wouldn't call "No Productivity" inferior... Its a pretty killer tune in its own right.

I think with these comps, you've gotta take into account also the Six Degrees of Separation links that need to be made in people's minds, as well..  "Nic Fit" with Sonic Youth,  Scream and Flipper with Nirvana, the token NYHC song... and like Malto was saying, it probably all fits within the context of the film.  I can also bet there were a lot of songs left off the CD that are in the film, as well.  It happens all the time.  For some reason, the Big Lebowski soundtrack CD completely omits Creedence Clearwater Revival and The Monks.

P.S. -- Malto: What's the deal with this Subhumans re-union shit?  They're playing here (at a former strip club, no less) in about a month.

[steve]

Oh, I like the Stalin too.

Indulge me and download the Subhumans "Firing Squad" (the Canadian hardcore band, not the vegetarian ska band from England).  If you don't love it, fair enough, but I think you should-- and the inferior flip was on an early KBD, if that validates it.

I indulged you, and I'm glad I did. "Firing Squad" is a great song for sure. Way better than "No Productivity."

Also, for the record, I like the first two DOA albums too.

[Maltodextrin]

I wouldn't call "No Productivity" inferior... Its a pretty killer tune in its own right.

I think with these comps, you've gotta take into account also the Six Degrees of Separation links that need to be made in people's minds, as well..  "Nic Fit" with Sonic Youth,  Scream and Flipper with Nirvana, the token NYHC song... and like Malto was saying, it probably all fits within the context of the film.  I can also bet there were a lot of songs left off the CD that are in the film, as well.  It happens all the time.  For some reason, the Big Lebowski soundtrack CD completely omits Creedence Clearwater Revival and The Monks.

P.S. -- Malto: What's the deal with this Subhumans re-union shit?  They're playing here (at a former strip club, no less) in about a month.

Hmmmm, can't say I'm a fan of "No productivity", and always kind of wondered why it was the side that got comped.  Anyways, I've seen 1.2 Subhumans shows since moving out here (the first one collapsed into a depressing melee of skinhead violence during the third song....very authentically '80's, I suppose, but stupid nonetheless) and the full set was just last month.  They're not embarassing or anything, just a sort of competent but far from inspiring run-through of the old songs punctuated with new songs that really sound no different to the old ones, although I doubt anything on the level of "Firing squad", "Death to the sickoids" or "Behind my smile" will be coming out of this.

[goneoffdatlean]

I'd like to see a hardcore comp that Steve compiles.

Dangerfield?  Rodney loved the Bags....Avengers too.

Actually, I've got it on good authority that Rodney was more into Black Randy than anyone else on Dangerfield Records.

As for the first part of your question, your wish is my command.

STEVE'S HARDCORE COMP: IE THE ONLY HARDCORE SONGS STEVE WANTS TO OWN

1) Middle Class "Out of Vouge" EP
2) Rhino 39 first side of the first 7"
3) Black Flag "Nervous Breakdown" + "Jealous Again" EPs. I like most of Damaged too, but I don't think it would fit.
4) Circle Jerks "Deny Everything" (this is the only song by them I wish I still owned)
5) Bad Brains - Umm, something brutal from the first LP. Like "I Luv I Jah" or "Jah Calling."
6) Fix "In This Town" and the other song from that single.


That's it. Also keep in mind that I've only actually heard like half of the bands that are on the real comp being discussed here. I'm not spending my money on a genre that usually bores me when there's so much stuff I know I will like that I can't afford.

If you like the Fix, then there's plenty of hardcore you would probably be into.

[ihatestrangers]

the movie = awesome.  Lack of focus on th midwest. im drunk.  sorry.

[dum dum]

"No Zero Boys OR Toxic Reasons?  No JFA?  No Suicidal Tendencies?  No C.O.C.?  It's a great track listing overall but I think these bands were definitely big enough to have been included."

Suicidal Tendencies were late comers so I don't think they really fit the time period. That first record is 1985 which is when Hardcore started really turning to shit with all the metal crossover crap. I think JFA is in the same boat.

[Old Kyle]

Are you sure that first album wasn't '83?  I seem to remember still being in high school when it came out.

[rr]

yeah Suicidal was '83....Im guessing licensing has to be the issue on that one.  Lots of JFA stuff before 85 too...offhand, i'd guess '81 or '82 for the first EP?

[Old Kyle]

Yes, JFA records were out in 81 or 82, for sure.

[Maltodextrin]

"No Zero Boys OR Toxic Reasons?  No JFA?  No Suicidal Tendencies?  No C.O.C.?  It's a great track listing overall but I think these bands were definitely big enough to have been included."

Suicidal Tendencies were late comers so I don't think they really fit the time period. That first record is 1985 which is when Hardcore started really turning to shit with all the metal crossover crap. I think JFA is in the same boat.

Yeah, Suicidal were playing by '81 and the LP came out in '83-- and as popular as they were in the mainstream, I think they were more an anomaly than a real crucial element of the crossover.

JFA were putting out records circa '81-'82 and were about as pure and generic an American hardcore as you can get-- 100% punk with zero metal influence, so that's a weird argument.  I remember mailordering their new EP circa '85 and being all disappointed that it was some odd surf/instrumental thing; even when they started evolving, it certainly wasn't toward metal.

[dum dum]

yeah i guess you guys are right on the dates. I always associated them as the next wave cuz I just remember seeing them in 85 on the East Coast when all the bands were going metal and doing that guitar shredding shit they did.  They were more of a novelty band to me.

[Dutchman]

I always wished JFA had a better singer--they were great musically but Brian monotone yelling really held em back.  JFA's self-titled lp was the first punk record I ever stole!  I gotta hear 'The Day Walt Disney Died' right NOW.

-Ryan

[T.Depression]

Who else has seen the film...it's playing here on Sunday night...I'm sure it will be worth the $10 they're asking, but I wanna know if anyone hated it...

[icki]

It's a soundtrack of a movie based on a totally shitty book. It's gonna have problems.

I guess the soundtrack looks okay, due to the licensing rights Scott's mentioned, but especially given how bad the book was -- for what it omitted and overlooked as well as what it gave WAY too much attention to.