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Re: American Hardcore tracklist
« Reply #60 on: September 23, 2006, 10:02:24 AM »
rr - MRR was an excellent resource both nationall & internationally at different periods. From the beginning it was the first national zine to link local scenes with scene reports. Flipside had scene reports but London & NYC. I tried to write a scene report of Nor Cal for them and they rejected it saying they dont care about Nor Cal. Fine. But MRR cared about Ohio, Idaho, Indiana, Virginia, etc. Tim, Jeff, Jello, Ruth et al also actively sought out bands nationwide to interview & review. All you have to do is look at the early issues to see that. Sure the early issues arent as good as the early mid international ones but that is because the zine was in its infancy.  I had penpals across the US because of MRR scene reports & ads in the back and got many a record from mail order thanks to MRR. As it grew as a zine it became international and did the same thing it did nationally, it brought in voices from other regions. It also became more political and alienated many that were signer-ons on the early less political issues (Tesco, John Crawford, etc). It had the unfortunate roll of spreading gilman influence pop punk to the masses inthe late 80s but during the 90s it was the clearing house for the garage punk revival, though no one except denkinger seems to understand that.

One more thing in regards to MRR: it was the first American punk zine to get effective national distribution. while other zines, most notably flipside, did find their was cross country MRR pretty much lead the way. this was because of ruth schwatrz's connections with Tower records and a guy named Doug Biggert who headed up their magazine division. Before the first issue came out MRR had lined up national distribution through Tower and their distro arm, Bayside, which put MRR in hundreds of Towers and mom & pop stores. In this sense MRR pioneered zine distribution.

Please note all of what I am refering to in regards to MRR has nothing to do with politics. Politically I think they had an influence but more in the sense of puching and encouraging DIY economics than any one issue. Certainly that is where the influence was felt strongest. Also never mentioned is that MRR provided seed money for a lot of projects: Gilman, Blacklist mail order, Epicenter, which would have been impossible without MRR funding. Add to that that at the end of the year, at least during Tim's days' whatever profit the zine made would get sent back to advertisers and given to people doing labels and zines as a sort of grant. This was always on the hush hush because Tim didnt want to draw attention it. One last thing about MRR. It wasnt until the mid to late 80s that MRR was dominated by Tim. Before that it was Jello, Jeff Bale, Ruth Scwartz, Ray Farrell, Tim and a couple other people. Jello dropped out first. But even into the early 90s Bale had a signficant influence (as did Martin Sprouse). In any case, however perceived MRR's poltics were never only one voice, at least not until Jackie Pritchard got a hold of it (and was run out).

sgg - as far as 60s garage punk being suburb and, yes, it was but it was also urban. this is more of an arguement over city/urban planning & land use than anything else. suburbs then werent the autonomous areas that they were post vietnam, when suburbs surplanted cities as centers of population. during the 60s burbs were still  in their infancy and often just blocks away from the urban core, not what we think of as burbs now. so perhaps i should amend it to "primarily suburburn" or "dominently suburban".

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Re: American Hardcore tracklist
« Reply #61 on: September 23, 2006, 10:25:13 AM »
Couldn't one also argue HC was dominantly suburban?  A lot of bands claim a city but really lived in the outskirts.

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Re: American Hardcore tracklist
« Reply #62 on: September 23, 2006, 01:33:01 PM »
In any case, however perceived MRR's poltics were never only one voice, at least not until Jackie Pritchard got a hold of it (and was run out).

Scott-- was that meant to read "and Jeff Bale was run out", although I know that was a bit before Jackie came along?  I've been buying MRR since 1985 and have never missed an issue, but Bale's firing was the end of the mag as any source of interesting politics is concerned.  Now it's a good place to read about records and ignore whatever hungover identity politics cud is being peddled in the laughable "news" section.  Bale had an acerbic, small-L libertarian perspective that was far closer to a natural punk rock worldview than the sensitive pseudo-left posturing that now monopolizes both MRR and "political" punk as a whole.  I've got a letter about it in the new issue (sparked by their horror at a smaller fanzine talking about Islam in the way we talk about Christianity), which I'm promised will included a response from the mag.

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Re: American Hardcore tracklist
« Reply #63 on: September 23, 2006, 02:42:41 PM »
Scott - yes I agree man MRR was important, etc.  It did a lot of good over the years, I'm glad its still around even if I dont pick it up (Out with A Bang is on the cover this month I think, might have to get that.....interview is on their myspace.....RIDICULOUS) - You talk about scene reports, the most important impact MRR had was reporting things in other countries, and comps like "welcome to 1984".  Yes , it also did cover local scenes, etc - but scenes in that day were divided and into their own deal.  Midwest wasnt Boston, which wasn't NYC, which wasnt DC.  And thats a good thing.  And thats where the book was coming from.  He gave MRR a mention, as well he should have.  I think the dude gets too much shit , for just writing a book about HC....I remember being 14, and thumbin thru classifieds in MRR.....great zine, even if it aint always a good read - it is an institution - but I dont know that deserves a major place in the book. 

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Re: American Hardcore tracklist
« Reply #64 on: September 23, 2006, 05:04:14 PM »
i still think MRR was much more important than a mention simply because it was the first national institution within punk rock. all the zines before that were local focus first, with some national distro (NY Rocker, Flipside). MRR nationalized things and helped create networks that one could tour on and tape trade, etc.  Pre-internationalization I was trading my shitty HC band's tapes for stuff from bands all over. I've got great tapes from Deranged Diction (Jeff Ament of Green River/Pearl Jam), Blight, Ring 13, Damage, and other "no name" bands simply through trading addresses I found in the back of MRR. And I am just one of a thousand. The national penpal network, with MRR as a hub, served as the base of the international one (and the unreleased stuff I have banked from those days: Subhumans (uk), Riistytyt (simon help me...), and names that escape me).  Also pre MRR record distribution was not great and there were a scant number of mail orders, but still no nationwide zine to advertise your wares. MRR served as the place to find out what was currently available, especially good if you didnt live in a big city, colelge town or a place with a tower records. i know the record buyer at Tower and at a place called the Beat would comb MRR for new releases and use it as a guide to what to carry. Again pre-international. I really doubt that without MRR i would have been able to stroll into the local record store and buy master tape, mixed nuts dont crack, and countless other great regional HC comps. just wouldnt have happened.

so for blush to gloss over MRR shows more his hate for the rag than anything else. fine, hate it. i hate crossover but if i wrote a book on HC i wouldnt leave it out or gloss it over. too important. problem with AMER HC the book is it claims to a THE history of the music and it is not. now that could be the publisher's claim, but blush write with a tone of authority.

simon - i dont know the whats and wheres about Bale's departure. i do think it was cowardly of him to turn his barrels towards MRR after Tim died when it was his & Tim's riff that caused him to leave. I agree that Bale - when he was readable - was more thought provoking politically than anyone else there. I think there were two other people who wrote for MRR who could write politics good: Larry Livermore and yours truely. All three never wrote the party line, when it came to politics and none wrote the unreadable alphabet soup-commie sect crap you get from assholes like Lefty Hooligan or the endless anarcho-sloganeering that currently dominates it. I dont bitch about it because, besides Lefty, it is a bunch of twentys cutting their teeth. fine. they need a place to do it. i am sad that it lacks any imagination. anyway i stopped paying to MRR's politics when I turned 18.

for the record, i dont read the thing nowadays. sure i look at the reviews, ryan & carolyns top tens, & mitch's collumn but the mag is so far from what i envision punk rock to be and is perhaps the most musically conservative rag around.  years ago i went to a end of the year staff meeting, filled to the gills with tequilla, and berated the assembled that if MRR was really punk they would put Caroliner on the cover. I am pretty sure it came out "and you think you are punk well punk is not you fuck caroliner rules woooooooooo!!!!" and i was looked at like "who is that hairy creep." but i took a stand. and i still think Caroliner is more punk than anything that appears in the pages of MRR.

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« Reply #65 on: September 23, 2006, 10:18:09 PM »
"i still think Caroliner is more punk than anything that appears in the pages of MRR."

Agreed there.


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Re: American Hardcore tracklist
« Reply #66 on: September 24, 2006, 10:08:05 AM »
it was the clearing house for the garage punk revival, though no one except denkinger seems to understand that.

Huh? How could people who were around back then not get that? I mean MRR is where I found out about Teengenerate, Registrators, Rip Offs, Supercharger, Mummies, Headcoats, Devil Dogs, New Bomb Turks, and all of that kind of stuff. Not to mention lesser known stuff like Radio Shanghai and the Wanders. I haven't read MRR in a long time for the reasons Scott cited, but MRR is always something that I'll look back on fondly since it played such a big role in exposing me to the music that I'm still into to this day. That I'm looked at as the most musically conservative person around these parts might have something to do with that as well!  All it would take would be like two columnists besides Mitch that were worth reading, and I'd probably start buying MRR again.


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« Reply #67 on: September 24, 2006, 10:29:30 AM »
I read about The Spaceshits in MRR almost a year before ever seeing anything about them in Montreal papers.  Didn't even know they were from here until Trickknee told me. 

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« Reply #68 on: September 24, 2006, 10:34:38 AM »
And I think MRR in the last year or two has been WAY better than at any point since like 1997-98 (when did Tim Yo die again?).  Billy Childish was on the cover a few months back, there was a great interview with Mark E. Smith in the July or August one (same issue had a fucking scene report for Usbekistan!!) and the general quality of the bands interviewed has improved exponentially.  There was a time when you'd open MRR and the only bands you'd find interviewed/reviewed/discussed in columns were fucking Beer City Records or TKO Records bands.

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« Reply #69 on: September 24, 2006, 10:40:35 AM »
The Zero Boys wrote the best catchy songs of all bands discussed here.

I've only heard about 1/4 of the stuff on the soundtrack. Looks like I need to do my homework. But I'm not much for hc beyond Black Flag, Minor Threat, Bad Brains and all the bigger bands. Flipper, Fix 7" are great. How come Bad Brains does the Jah stuff? They're touted as the best hc band but 1/2 their stuff is slow Jamaican dittys which I was never that into. Symarip is a much cooler band for that kind of stuff. Anyone seen the Bad Brains dvd? I think it's new. It's a CBGB's show from '82, with YouTube though I wonder if it's even worth looking into it.

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« Reply #70 on: September 24, 2006, 10:43:04 AM »
Its a great set.  My friend has this on VHS. They play "At The Movies" (my favorite Bad Brains song by a long shot).

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« Reply #71 on: September 24, 2006, 10:55:53 AM »
'at the movies ' is great.  this dvd is from '82?  id like to see all the '79 'pre-dreadlock' era on DVD.  they were definitely playing a few steps slower then...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pGuClLVjvzY


also...i wouldnt say half of their stuff is reggae reggae....just a few scattered songs. 

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« Reply #72 on: September 24, 2006, 11:00:46 AM »
And I think MRR in the last year or two has been WAY better than at any point since like 1997-98 (when did Tim Yo die again?).

definitely...i noticed being surprised a few times by recent covers.  i was surprised especially seeing the carbonas on the cover last summer.  so it was the first mrr i purchased in years based on that alone.   but i was always more into Flipside.  they had nice, glossy covers.  it definitely seemed like a "looser" operation....but that resulted in albums getting reviewed that had been out a year sometimes, though. 

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« Reply #73 on: September 24, 2006, 12:36:22 PM »
My MRR collection goes from the first issue til about 1985 and then from about 90 on. I've taken out the early issues from time to time when I am on a record hunt and want to see the reviews. But that is pretty much all they are worth to me for right now.

I have Flipsides from the third issue til about 1984 and none from the 90s. The 90s version was worthless to me, but the early issues are fantastic and always get pulled out to reread interviews. The reviews are too muddled to be helpful, though. Oh and the cartoons ruled.
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« Reply #74 on: September 24, 2006, 03:43:26 PM »
i can't understand why you don't like DK, their sound is pretty good... and i like Biafra's singin