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[kevin]

Because I'm more the type of person to assault a person who does something I don't like then simply "live with it." I don't care if that makes me an asshole, I'll own it. I am an asshole. I have been known to assault people for doing shit like using the word "fag" in front of me. If you don't like it, you can try and fight me, but I promise you I'm crazier than you are and I'm armed. Why don't I just accept it? Because I'm queer and I know how to fight, so I don't have to.

[nuggetsvolume1]

I hate racism and homophobia just as much as you probably do. But I also hate mind control. If people want to be morons, why not let them be morons? That's what I don't like about P.C. stuff. It's not that I don't espouse P.C. liberal principles myself, but I really hate the idea of forcing somebody who I may think of as "backwards" to agree with my opinions. Or the culture, as a whole, trying to police their thoughts.

[kevin]

A couple years back a buddy of mine thought it would be funny to sieg heil my band while we were playing. I jumped from the stage feet first onto the dude's chest and beat him up. His girlfriend at the time was a co-worker (and is a good friend) of mine, this had actually happened at my place of employment. My buddy was roughed up pretty bad, and his girlfriend was less than impressed and at the time made a comment to me about being overly sensitive and about being overly aggressive and violent. I made no apologies. I'm not going to tolerate that shit. Dude is still my friend, but I can promise you he doesn't pull shit like that when I'm around anymore, I'd be surprised if he does shit like that around anyone anymore though. I think it actually got the point through to him in ways that explaining how it was insensitive and cruel (two of my bandmates were Jewish and had no sense of humor about such things) was not.

[kevin]

I hate racism and homophobia just as much as you probably do. But I also hate mind control. If people want to be morons, why not let them be morons? That's what I don't like about P.C. stuff. It's not that I don't espouse P.C. liberal principles myself, but I really hate the idea of forcing somebody who I may think of as "backwards" to agree with my opinions. Or the culture, as a whole, trying to police their thoughts.

It's not policing people's thoughts, it's responding to their behavior. This is why I don't try to explain this shit to people, most people I run into are too thick to understand such apparently high minded concepts, but almost every single living being out there, human or not understands violence and humiliation.

[nuggetsvolume1]

Well behavior is a different thing. Privately maintaining bigoted beliefs is one thing that I would (admittedly not with any fervor) defend...but if someone is getting in your face, then yeah, I would agree some sort of action is involved. I personally wouldn't go with violence, but that's just me. I'm also a straight white blonde dude and have never been attacked for anything in my life, so maybe I just haven't been pushed against the wall the way some have.

[kevin]

I'm also a straight white blonde dude and have never been attacked for anything in my life, so maybe I just haven't been pushed against the wall the way some have.

Yes, that is true. Ruminate on this fact.

Also, the language we use is part of our behavior.

[nuggetsvolume1]

Hey, I'm the first person to call myself out on blurting out the "f" bomb. It's certainly a word that was tossed around a lot in my youth without much consideration or thought. Calling somebody an "asshole" or a "prick" can certainly suffice.

[Eazy-E]

A couple years back a buddy of mine thought it would be funny to sieg heil my band while we were playing. I jumped from the stage feet first onto the dude's chest and beat him up. His girlfriend at the time was a co-worker (and is a good friend) of mine, this had actually happened at my place of employment. My buddy was roughed up pretty bad, and his girlfriend was less than impressed and at the time made a comment to me about being overly sensitive and about being overly aggressive and violent. I made no apologies. I'm not going to tolerate that shit. Dude is still my friend, but I can promise you he doesn't pull shit like that when I'm around anymore, I'd be surprised if he does shit like that around anyone anymore though. I think it actually got the point through to him in ways that explaining how it was insensitive and cruel (two of my bandmates were Jewish and had no sense of humor about such things) was not.

So, you assault and injure a friend who sarcastically 'sieg heil's your band but putting out a record with a swasticock on the cover is A-OK? And your Jewish bandmates didn't feel the need to physically attack this person who you know? Well, that's weird.

I'm so glad you're back, Kevin. Honestly.

[kevin]

And your Jewish bandmates didn't feel the need to physically attack this person who you know? Well, that's weird.

Nah, they both had guitars on, and thanked me for doing it afterword. While I've definitely seen them get verbally confrontational when dealing with people who think shit like that is funny they actually seem to tend to get more withdrawn when confronted with that kinda stuff and just go out of their way to avoid people and situations where that kinda thing would come up.

[Eazy-E]

And your Jewish bandmates didn't feel the need to physically attack this person who you know? Well, that's weird.

Nah, they both had guitars on, and thanked me for doing it afterword. While I've definitely seen them get verbally confrontational when dealing with people who think shit like that is funny they actually seem to tend to get more withdrawn when confronted with that kinda stuff and just go out of their way to avoid people and situations where that kinda thing would come up.

But the guy was your buddy? I mean, if it were a complete stranger skinhead asshole I'd say that was admirable and wouldn't be querying your actions, but you knew this person?

I did not know that you are gay, so I apologize for insensitive language I've used in the past. Had anyone on this board identified themselves as gay I would not have typed the word "fag". I do not fear anyone, nor do I hate anyone, and I should have known better. I won't bother slippin' and slidin' through self-serving rationalizations...unles s you want me to. 

[kevin]

But the guy was your buddy? I mean, if it were a complete stranger skinhead asshole I'd say that was admirable and wouldn't be querying your actions, but you knew this person?

Yeah, he's a close friend who had also been warned repeatedly to stop being a dick. He's a great person, and someone I care about a great deal who also has good reason to feel incredibly nihilistic. I've been through a lot in life, but his story is incredibly hard, even for me. He also thought it was funny to use the "n-word" after bar close when he was wasted in a mixed crowd. He had one of the stronger, and most intelligent people I know in tears over it. She's black. No "sense of humor" about it. Dude just couldn't get how someone could get so upset over "words" and eventually he also started crying. It was messy. On a later date he was again wasted and sieg heil'd the band, and as I said, two the members were Jewish and are sensitive about such provocations. They have no sense of humor about it. I guess they actually lost lots of family members during the holocaust, and they're only two generations removed from it, so it's still pretty raw for them. I'd tried explaining on multiple occasions how it wasn't funny to make our friends feel horrible like that. The behavior wasn't stopping, and then the incident I described happened, so it had to be dealt with.

As I said, as far as I'm aware he hasn't engaged in any of that problem behavior since I attacked him. I may be seeing him tomorrow though. He asked to spend the night here for Christmas with our family.

[kevin]

The cocksticka is definitely not one of my prouder moments.

[Eazy-E]

The cocksticka is definitely not one of my prouder moments.

I thought it was a swasticock. Anyway, you're still a fucking lunatic, but I am sorry for any perceived attack on gay people.

[Eazy-E]

PS: if it's 11pm here, isn't it 2am in Ohio? Shouldn't you be wrapping gifts or vomitting egg nog on a policeman?

[TVeye77]

Because I'm more the type of person to assault a person

Because I'm queer

You really need to get over your bad self.
I'm sure I've had gay friends & gay enemies way before you even had pubes.

Why don't you go piss up a rope.