Records that lost their luster

[Krautrock is Dead]

Mackaye can often be insufferably ''politicised'' but he's still better than Morrisey in that regard.

[Maltodextrin]

Everyone liked fugazi and bad religion at school, not me. When I say "everyone" I mean 5 people

I definitely liked 'Suffer' when it came out-- far better than all the metal/emo/funk crap that the other first-wave hardcore bands were coughing up at that point. The formula wore thin by the third LP album of it.

[rutabowa]

I think the only records that I bought when they came out but dislike now are pop stuff like eg Pulp, Beastie Boys later records, The Horrors more recently... these kind of things sounded fresh and amazing to me on first few listens, but after a few more their hollowness was revealed.

[rutabowa]

I still listen to and enjoy pavement... sonic youth.... even porno for pyros.. even red hot chili peppers best album!! Not ashamed of any of those.

[Jerry Scotty]

Re: the Atomsmashers' singer: I'll vouch that he's a great guy. Runs a pub in the small town where he lives, I suggest you try and play there when your derivative bands come to Italy. But he got even more stupid (and funny) getting older, he only listens to the Ramones now, so good luck if you have no Ramones covers in your set. https://www.facebook.com/DEVILSDEN666/

I get why anybody wouldn't like that record. I haven't listened to them in ages, but I'll never deny how important that was for me. They got me into all the good stuff like Teengenerate, Rip Offs, Dead Boys, Oblivians, Reatards, etc. The Hiroshima Atom Surfers 7" is hilariously bad, of course I love it to this day. Same label as the Grabbies LP too. True story: the name change was a Greg Lowery idea, otherwise he wouldn't put their record out. Heard him say that myself during an interview in october 2001, at their first italian date. First american band I've seen after 9/11, doesn't seem like a big deal today but it sure felt like it at the time.

[Marc]

Atomsmashers might very well be the worst Rip Off record ever and to be honest, pretty much everything the label released this side of the millennium was crap save for 2 or 3 records (Marked Men and Kidnappers are noteable exceptions). Lids, Shop Fronts, Kill-aWatts, Suspicions, last Zodiac Killers Lp all don't hold up very well imo.

[Maltodextrin]

Atomsmashers might very well be the worst Rip Off record ever and to be honest, pretty much everything the label released this side of the millennium was crap save for 2 or 3 records (Marked Men and Kidnappers are noteable exceptions). Lids, Shop Fronts, Kill-aWatts, Suspicions, last Zodiac Killers Lp all don't hold up very well imo.

I wanted so badly to like that Suspicions LP, but it just didn't grab me at all. Their first 45 is one of my favourite records of the century, though.

[Marc]

On topic: For me Jay Reatard's Blood Visions fits the bill more than anything else.
Also, i admit i really loved the first two Ghetto Ways albums, but listening to them now i feel embarrassed. Other bands that for me really lost their luster are the (later day) Boss Martians, The Flakes and Sons of Cyrus. Also, all things considered, M.O.T.O. is pretty generic and boring save for a few songs that somehow became classic. I was pretty obsessed with MOTO at some point but in hindsight, that shit definatlely lost their luster!

[Marc]

Also, Spaceshits lost their luster for me. I used to love them but whenever i listen to them now they just bore the hell outta me.

[Marko]

Masked and gimmicky bands. You can throw one man bands into this category. Never ate it up totally but used to like stuff wich nowadays only comes across as painfully cartoonish and generic. Coyote Men, The Satelliters, Go Nuts, some acts on Vooodoo Rythm, 90s surf and so on. Off course there are exceptions like like Mummies, HFOS, Haunted George and a few more. Also got very fond memories of seeing Man or Astroman live in the late 90s even if I don't think their records are anything special at this day and age.

[termight]

When it comes to later DC I far prefer listening to Dismemberment Plan than Fugazi. Thank fuck The Plan didn't end up on Dischord.

[Maltodextrin]

Slant 6 might be the only Dischord band I liked after the hardcore era, although the Soulside LP was good, if that counts. The Rites Of Spring EP is one of the worst records I've ever heard.

[TVeye77]

never heard the Misfits before... going on spotify I think i like their 1986 album "Collection" best.

That was the first Million Selling #1 Hit punk LP.

Their performance on "Yo! MTV Punks!" was legendary.

[Scrod Prickknee]

On topic: Thee Oh Sees. Hard to listen to them today, except maybe Sucks Blood and some songs from their Stonehouse sessions. Master's Bedroom didn't age well.

Never thought there was anything there with that band. Sounds like indie garage to me, and I think they put one over on people due to the "high NRG" live show.

True story: the name change was a Greg Lowery idea, otherwise he wouldn't put their record out. Heard him say that myself during an interview in october 2001, at their first italian date.

Well yeah. Did that shit a good number of times. "Artwork" was another thing he dominated, which worked out fine early (the whole Rip Off aesthetic fit perfectly together with the photocopied b&w covers) but looks just awful once color popped up. Except that Spastics live thing, which looked awesome.

On topic: For me Jay Reatard's Blood Visions fits the bill more than anything else.
Also, i admit i really loved the first two Ghetto Ways albums, but listening to them now i feel embarrassed. Other bands that for me really lost their luster are the (later day) Boss Martians, The Flakes and Sons of Cyrus. Also, all things considered, M.O.T.O. is pretty generic and boring save for a few songs that somehow became classic. I was pretty obsessed with MOTO at some point but in hindsight, that shit definatlely lost their luster!

Jay's first 45 is great. I wish the tone were similar for later solo stuff. Blood Visions is a good LP. Outside that, not really a fan, though he's clearly skilled and I respect that. I also wish he wouldn't have done the live thing where he hated even being there so he hit fast forward and played as fast and straightforward as possible, gutting dynamics.

Never dug any of the bands you mentioned outside The Flakes. I like 2 of the singles a good bit and thought the LP was a turd on arrival. Listening back, I have to agree that even the 45s don't sound that great at this point. MOTO's best stuff, by far, is pre pop-punk early MOTO where it was more, uh, indie or something but also way more varied and organic. Uneven, but that's where his songwriting shines. I liked that Crim IQ first big MOTO record because it had some giant-ass hooks and funny lyrics, though I'll probably never listen to that again. Checked out some of the early stuff not long ago, and thought it was still sounding pretty cool. Live they were one of the most pointless things ever, apologies to Paul and the nice folks who've sat in over the years. But the same exact drumbeat every song and it went on for what seemed like days.

Atomsmashers might very well be the worst Rip Off record ever and to be honest, pretty much everything the label released this side of the millennium was crap save for 2 or 3 records (Marked Men and Kidnappers are noteable exceptions). Lids, Shop Fronts, Kill-aWatts, Suspicions, last Zodiac Killers Lp all don't hold up very well imo.

Marked Men...love those people. Loved the Reds. Only really liked the first MM album at the time, honestly, and even that might be tough to stomach right now. Kidnappers never did anything for me, either. Shop Fronts, same...Lids I still think were good. Basically aiming for Supercharger and coming up with a number of good tunes...and they were ridiculously good at the Blackout years ago. Suspicions were only good for one glorious debut single. Everything else has paled or sucked. KAW I like selected tunes throughout - great live band. Zodiac Killers still have some rippers on the first LP, and a few songs I like spread throughout later, but I suppose I wouldn't care if I ever heard any again. I loved how Greg trolled the Blackout crowd by showing a full-set video before playing; I also loved how the Rhythm Chicken trolled them in Green Bay by playing in the girl's bathroom the minute ZKs were done, denying them a "proper" encore. Greg was livid.

[Richie]

Worst Rip Off Records:

1 - Exploders 7"
2 - Atomsmashers LP
3 - Atomsmashers 7"
4 - Chronics 7"
5 - Shifters 7"