Social Justice Thread

[bradx]

totally.  i had several exes who got abortions, none were through planned parenthood.  they do not do abortions here, or anywhere near here, planned parenthood exists to help poor women with their health needs. 

[Kenneally]

Over/under on Giant Douche being married to his first and only girlfriend?

[Maltodextrin]

Mr Small Government, the only thing more sacred than your womb is his wallet.

Can principled people on both sides of the abortion debate not simply concede that a society in which no one needs to have an abortion (ie access to birth control, sex education and decent social support for mothers-- oh, hi Planned Parenthood!) would be fine, but since people will end up having them anyway in the meantime, it's better to keep them safe, subsidised medical procedures tied to education, and not simply desperate transactions with criminals and opportunists? That sounds like a much more consistent, realistic and pragmatic (you know, 'conservative' in the best sense of the term) approach than kneejerk moralising that wins votes from idiots like Giant Douche but does nothing at all to address the issue.

[erickelric]

I still find it funny when I see people up in arms about abortion but don't care about killing scores of people in useless wars, the death penalty etc....

They never seem to grasp this. You could paint it on the inside of their eyelids and they still wouldn't get it.

[WINDIAN RECORDS]

Mr Small Government, the only thing more sacred than your womb is his wallet.

Can principled people on both sides of the abortion debate not simply concede that a society in which no one needs to have an abortion (ie access to birth control, sex education and decent social support for mothers-- oh, hi Planned Parenthood!) would be fine, but since people will end up having them anyway in the meantime, it's better to keep them safe, subsidised medical procedures tied to education, and not simply desperate transactions with criminals and opportunists? That sounds like a much more consistent, realistic and pragmatic (you know, 'conservative' in the best sense of the term) approach than kneejerk moralising that wins votes from idiots like Giant Douche but does nothing at all to address the issue.

This is the kind of logical thinking that is held up by facts, and is even heralded by one of my more favorite conservative voices, David Frum (a voice that was silenced and fired from the AEI for, well, telling the truth...)

An older article but worth a read* - http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/29/opinion/frum-abortion-reality/

"If you're serious about reducing abortion, the most important issue is not which abortions to ban. The most important issue is how will you support women to have the babies they want.

As a general rule, societies that do the most to support mothers and child-bearing have the fewest abortions. Societies that do the least to support mothers and child-bearing have more abortions."

*There was a much longer piece he did citing multiple studies on FrumForum.com, but that's long gone*

The problem with letting the restrictions go in America is the loss of that anger from the R base, which means they'll have to find some other foul way to make them turnout.

And I wish conversations about abortion services were a moot point, but they are not, and they are dangerous and loaded enough that it drives people to kill other people in the name of life... It angers me how regressive this country is, fighting battles that should have been resolved in the 60s**, imagine adding up all the money spent lobbying on both sides of the aisle, you've got yourselves a few couple billion right there for education and roads, that's where money should be going, not fighting tooth and nail (and losing!) to keep the status quo.

**As much as the right argues that the Supreme Court shouldn't be activist in making decisions like upholding the PPACA, their main stated goal is to get Roe overturned, period. Google Roe overturned and you'll see every moron running for President states this clearly, as well as almost every current R Govenor. Its only activist if its something I don't like!**

[dd owen]

downtown boys is the worst band ever

[Virgin Killer]

Kasich wants to privatize prisons: http://www.democracynow.org/2016/2/23/prisons_for_profit_under_kasich_ohio

[Virgin Killer]

Mr Small Government, the only thing more sacred than your womb is his wallet.

Can principled people on both sides of the abortion debate not simply concede that a society in which no one needs to have an abortion (ie access to birth control, sex education and decent social support for mothers-- oh, hi Planned Parenthood!) would be fine, but since people will end up having them anyway in the meantime, it's better to keep them safe, subsidised medical procedures tied to education, and not simply desperate transactions with criminals and opportunists? That sounds like a much more consistent, realistic and pragmatic (you know, 'conservative' in the best sense of the term) approach than kneejerk moralising that wins votes from idiots like Giant Douche but does nothing at all to address the issue.

This is the kind of logical thinking that is held up by facts, and is even heralded by one of my more favorite conservative voices, David Frum (a voice that was silenced and fired from the AEI for, well, telling the truth...)

An older article but worth a read* - http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/29/opinion/frum-abortion-reality/

"If you're serious about reducing abortion, the most important issue is not which abortions to ban. The most important issue is how will you support women to have the babies they want.

As a general rule, societies that do the most to support mothers and child-bearing have the fewest abortions. Societies that do the least to support mothers and child-bearing have more abortions."

*There was a much longer piece he did citing multiple studies on FrumForum.com, but that's long gone*

The problem with letting the restrictions go in America is the loss of that anger from the R base, which means they'll have to find some other foul way to make them turnout.

And I wish conversations about abortion services were a moot point, but they are not, and they are dangerous and loaded enough that it drives people to kill other people in the name of life... It angers me how regressive this country is, fighting battles that should have been resolved in the 60s**, imagine adding up all the money spent lobbying on both sides of the aisle, you've got yourselves a few couple billion right there for education and roads, that's where money should be going, not fighting tooth and nail (and losing!) to keep the status quo.

**As much as the right argues that the Supreme Court shouldn't be activist in making decisions like upholding the PPACA, their main stated goal is to get Roe overturned, period. Google Roe overturned and you'll see every moron running for President states this clearly, as well as almost every current R Govenor. Its only activist if its something I don't like!**

Yep. There's some pragmatism with your ethics. It's as if people like Giant Leech could use a moral calculus over a broken compass. The suggestion that poor women should be forced to procreate against their will is barbaric and inhumane. That they should be subjected to the merest inconvenience or moral persecution, both of which are all to normal, by having PP gutted, their accessibility to consults and care undermined, plus their decision condescended to at every juncture is dehumanizing and actually hypocritically officious "big government."

I wonder how many like-minded men would be up in arms if they had wombs.

[Eazy-E]

I'm not on Giant Leech's side ever, but I was confronted with this incredible act of, like, activism today. The mural was something that the whole neighborhood had a hand in, from the artwork to the actual painting. It was a fuck-ugly retaining wall, then it was a less ugly retaining wall.

And just look what some Warrior 4 Social Justice did to the fucking thing.

[Maltodextrin]

I'm not on Giant Leech's side ever, but I was confronted with this incredible act of, like, activism today. The mural was something that the whole neighborhood had a hand in, from the artwork to the actual painting. It was a fuck-ugly retaining wall, then it was a less ugly retaining wall.

And just look what some Warrior 4 Social Justice did to the fucking thing.

I'm fully in favour of vandals and anarchists being kneecapped for this shit.

[Eazy-E]

I  fantasize about re-enacting that scene in 'Casino' where Bobby D. (star of 'Machete') asks the grifter which hand he plays Bridge with and then gets his goon to smash it with a claw hammer whenever I see "graf" w/a social conscience.
 

[Sukebe GG]

Little Lamb, who made thee?
Dost thou know who made thee?
Gave thee life, and bid thee feed
By the stream and o'er the mead;
Gave thee clothing of delight,
Softest clothing, woolly, bright;
Gave thee such a tender voice,
Making all the vales rejoice?
Little Lamb, who made thee?
Dost thou know who made thee?

Little Lamb, I'll tell thee,
Little Lamb, I'll tell thee:
He is called by thy name,
For he calls himself a Lamb;

He is meek and he is mild,
He became a little child:
I a child, and thou a lamb,
We are called by his name.
Little lamb, God bless thee!
Little lamb, God bless thee!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOofWzI3flA

[nuggetsvolume1]

A gal I know admitted to having an abortion tonight at the bar. She was 33 at the time, career gal, struggling to make ends meet. Also a bad alcoholic. The potential dad was 50-something and did not want anything to do with the kid. If anybody screams "don't have a child" to me, it's this person.

Anyways, one of the gentlemen at the table, who was quite drunk, started attacking her for this. "I love you as a person, but what you did was wrong". The woman was in tears trying to explain why she couldn't handle having a baby, didn't want to bring the child into the world, the dad wasn't going to help out, etc. This dude was adamant in his pro-life stance.

Me thinks the gender that bears the brunt of the child rearing duties should have the say in this matter. I think unless you are a woman in this position, you will never really know what it's like. It's easy to play the armchair referee and say a female did a bad thing when you're not in that situation, nor would you be expected to do much beyond dole out a monthly child support payment.

[WINDIAN RECORDS]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/21/politics/john-kasich-planned-parenthood-bill/index.html

Damn, Ohio.

Good for John Kasich and the state of Ohio.

And, obviously, "good" for whatever kids who are born who happen to escape their date with death at the slaughterhouse that is Planned Parenthood, however that legislation may possibly prevent such cases here and there.

Instead of making any kind of argument that is sure not to sway someone believing something as vile as what you say above, I just donated $20 to Planned Parenthood in your name, "Giant Leech". If you were being cute and I missed your joke I hope we can both have a laugh at that, otherwise, take some time and get your facts straight on what PP is, what it does, who it supports, and the changes in people's lives it makes.

You should donate all the money you want (your own money that it is... please do not steal it from other people) to Planned Parenthood. That is one of my (unstated) points and the point of the Ohio legislation: that people who want to murder infants inside a woman's womb should do so on their own fucking dime and not beleaguer the taxpayer into being forced into subsidizing such atrocity.

1- The fuck you mean stealing people's money, bud. Seriously, step up and explain that veiled shit.
2- Excellent use of murder incorrectly, I believe physicians would beg to disagree, but the fuck do they know.
3- The Hyde amendment has existed since 1976, no federal taxpayers under Medicaid have been covering abortion services since then. Even snuck in the Stupak part of ACA to make sure private insurers don't use any tax money, either.
I don't do research for any payors in Ohio, but I assume that state hasn't been covering any abortion services for years, if not decades. Get this poor tax-payer argument out of here, this is political calculus to continue to force Roe back into the Supreme Court and defecate on women's rights once and for all.

Wasn't gonna say anything more but if you're insinuating I'm stealing money, I'd really like your explanation on how you got to that.

1- So amusing (to an admittedly minor degree) that got you uptight about that. Feeling guilty about something there, Mr. (or Mrs.) Windy?

I was getting that you were attributing what I do with my profits to theft from those that gave them to me, but glad that ain't the case. As businesses can spend their profits on whatever the hell they want, including supporting murder! America is great!

[Mattpabst]

I still find it funny when I see people up in arms about abortion but don't care about killing scores of people in useless wars, the death penalty etc....

I still find it funny when I see people up in arms about useless wars, the death penalty but don't care about killing scores of people in abortion.

You see what I did there?

It never (never) takes long for an abortion supporter to start dragging the topic of "war" and "the death penalty" into any discussion about abortion (as if there is a genuine moral equivalency to be reckoned with among that clichéd, contra-point.)

I can only speak for myself but, I think war and the death penalty are a decision by a group of people to kill in the name of way more people, many of whom disagree. Abortion is an individual decision ( or a very small group of people). I am much more comfortable with people making a decision that impacts their personal life and a small group than I am with people killing in my name when I disagree. Admittedly I am ignoring any funding or such ( not educated enough to know all the ins and outs of funding and such) but that's just my opinion and hopefully it makes sense.