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Re: Bands Not Commonly Thought Of As Being Racist, Yet They Have Racist Lyrics
« Reply #105 on: February 15, 2017, 05:44:07 PM »
If it makes you feel any better, I busted my right hand removing a wheel cylinder from a '66 Mustang today while listening to Mission of Burma. It was all because I was distracted by this disco conversation.
Stay safe bro- 35-40 year old revisionist  discussions regarding disco/Meat puppers isn't worth your hand. Dial down the MoB- too intense. Some fun-lovin' Volcano Suns oughta moderate your mood.

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« Reply #106 on: February 15, 2017, 05:55:49 PM »
Haha! I had actually forgotten about this conversation. I should have known it was going to grow. About disco of all subjects.

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« Reply #107 on: February 15, 2017, 06:08:10 PM »
Ian's explanation of the song from '83 in an MRR interview comes off as pretty fucking "alt right" and disgusting.

http://dead-city.org/browse/Pics/mrr_rapsession.html

"Vic Bondi: What does "Guilty Of Being White" mean? That's a song that can be mis-construed.

Ian MacKaye: Not at all, I don't think. But I'll explain it. I live in Washington, D.C., which is 75% black. My junior high was 90% black. My high school was 80% black, and throughout my entire life, I've been brought up in this whole thing where the white man was shit because of slavery. So I go to class and we do history, and for 3/4 of the year slavery is all we hear about. It's all we hear about. We will race through the Revolutionary War or the founding of America; we'd race through all that junk. It's just straight education. We race through everything, and when we'd get to slavery, they'd drag it all the way out. Then everything has to do with slavery or black people. You get to the 1950's, they don't talk about nothing except the black people. Even WWII, they talk about the black regiments. In English, we don't read all the novelists, we read all the black novelists. Every week is African King's Week. And after a while, I would come out of a history class, and this has happened to me many times, like in junior high school, and you know that kids are belligerent in junior high, and these kids would jack my ass up and say, "What the fuck, man, why are you putting me in slavery?" To me, racism is never going to end until people get off this whole thing. It's going flim-flam, back and forth. When people will just get off the whole guilt trip... First, all the white people were like "Fuck the niggers", and all of a sudden, it's "The black man is great. We love him. We're going to do everything for him," all the time. It's never going to get anywhere, because one generation it'll be the KKK, the next generation it'll be the Black Panthers. Now we see the KKK come back in again, more popular. I think the best way we're going to have to deal with it is that if I am able to say "Last Sons of Kypton" without everyone gasping, and if I'm able to say that word, because I don't have any problems with that word. I say "bitch", and that means a girl asshole. I might say "jock", which means an athletic asshole. But you say "Last Sons of Kypton", which means black asshole, everyone flies off the handle. That's where the racism thing is kind of fucked. That's where the whole thing gets out of hand. I think it'd be great if people could come down form that. I'm sure you know about the racism thing."

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« Reply #108 on: February 15, 2017, 06:31:03 PM »
Yeah, well, we were all still a bit naive in 1983...I considered myself punk far-left/anarchist but was still definitely homophobic...Of course looking back and saying Last Sons of Krypton means "black asshole" is absurd, when we all know they are just some lame band that got way overhyped around here.... ;)
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« Reply #109 on: February 15, 2017, 06:32:58 PM »
Ian's explanation of the song from '83 in an MRR interview comes off as pretty fucking "alt right" and disgusting.

http://dead-city.org/browse/Pics/mrr_rapsession.html

"Vic Bondi: What does "Guilty Of Being White" mean? That's a song that can be mis-construed.

Ian MacKaye: Not at all, I don't think. But I'll explain it. I live in Washington, D.C., which is 75% black. My junior high was 90% black. My high school was 80% black, and throughout my entire life, I've been brought up in this whole thing where the white man was shit because of slavery. So I go to class and we do history, and for 3/4 of the year slavery is all we hear about. It's all we hear about. We will race through the Revolutionary War or the founding of America; we'd race through all that junk. It's just straight education. We race through everything, and when we'd get to slavery, they'd drag it all the way out. Then everything has to do with slavery or black people. You get to the 1950's, they don't talk about nothing except the black people. Even WWII, they talk about the black regiments. In English, we don't read all the novelists, we read all the black novelists. Every week is African King's Week. And after a while, I would come out of a history class, and this has happened to me many times, like in junior high school, and you know that kids are belligerent in junior high, and these kids would jack my ass up and say, "What the fuck, man, why are you putting me in slavery?" To me, racism is never going to end until people get off this whole thing. It's going flim-flam, back and forth. When people will just get off the whole guilt trip... First, all the white people were like "Fuck the niggers", and all of a sudden, it's "The black man is great. We love him. We're going to do everything for him," all the time. It's never going to get anywhere, because one generation it'll be the KKK, the next generation it'll be the Black Panthers. Now we see the KKK come back in again, more popular. I think the best way we're going to have to deal with it is that if I am able to say "Last Sons of Kypton" without everyone gasping, and if I'm able to say that word, because I don't have any problems with that word. I say "bitch", and that means a girl asshole. I might say "jock", which means an athletic asshole. But you say "Last Sons of Kypton", which means black asshole, everyone flies off the handle. That's where the racism thing is kind of fucked. That's where the whole thing gets out of hand. I think it'd be great if people could come down form that. I'm sure you know about the racism thing."

As a honky who attended a high school during the 1980s that was 85% black and a middle school that was 70% black, Ian is about 90% wrong. That said, getting hate crimed for being white and then having an educated, suburban honky lecture you about historical oppression and why your white ass deserved it and how you just don't get it sux... and your experience doesn't count because you don't have the moral high ground. 

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Re: Bands Not Commonly Thought Of As Being Racist, Yet They Have Racist Lyrics
« Reply #110 on: February 15, 2017, 06:34:16 PM »
Haha! I had actually forgotten about this conversation.
You forgot? You just commented a few hours ago.
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« Reply #111 on: February 15, 2017, 06:37:15 PM »
...when the wrench slipped, disco was not on my mind.

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« Reply #112 on: February 15, 2017, 06:50:37 PM »
And I'll bow out of this one. It's already getting ugly. I have no royalty claims to "Disco Duck" or Moroder's catalog. So my defense of '70s dance music is over.

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« Reply #113 on: February 15, 2017, 09:34:12 PM »
well he was kind of right about the "kkk coming back again" part wasn't he.  (half joke)
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« Reply #114 on: February 15, 2017, 11:29:52 PM »
well he was kind of right about the "kkk coming back again" part wasn't he.  (half joke)

Only half joking about blaming "political correctness" for the normalization of modern day nazis.

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« Reply #115 on: February 16, 2017, 02:58:32 AM »
Easy solution to the Minor (Threat) Dilemna: listen to Fugazi.
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« Reply #116 on: February 16, 2017, 06:41:04 AM »
well he was kind of right about the "kkk coming back again" part wasn't he.  (half joke)

Only half joking about blaming "political correctness" for the normalization of modern day nazis.

nope not quite try again
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« Reply #117 on: February 16, 2017, 09:08:30 AM »
well he was kind of right about the "kkk coming back again" part wasn't he.  (half joke)

Only half joking about blaming "political correctness" for the normalization of modern day nazis.

nope not quite try again

Explain yourself then.

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« Reply #118 on: February 16, 2017, 09:37:25 AM »
whats the fun in that
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Re: Bands Not Commonly Thought Of As Being Racist, Yet They Have Racist Lyrics
« Reply #119 on: February 16, 2017, 10:07:57 AM »
whats the fun in that

Nice try though.