Songs or bands that were important to you, but now you question

[croxschzwhyrghs]

Dead Kennedys

A healthy, naturally smart icon of the counter-culture writes a song about doctors fucking with people's heads just for money, seemed witty and righteous until I had to see a doctor. Thanks Jello Biafra, sure I'm convinced that Trust Your Mechanic was written in a spirit of love and consideration of all suffering. Now I'm feeling better I can consider kindly that *he* might've had awful experiences with doctors and mechanics and other experts, and it's not an entirely invalid point he made, but the Dead Kennedys no longer is some kind of benchmark for social criticism. I don't need a song to make me scared of doctors because like, anti-capitalism and shit, if I'm sick.

Oh yeah, and also bands you stopped listening to because it became embarrassing or you just moved on or whatever, that weren't that bad when you try to find something wrong apart from it being dorky. I'd say In Flames, for me (their philosophical 90s sort of stuff, at least). Shiny corporate macho fantasy image, probably don't need day jobs, would keep my wits about me as a girl hanging out with them and fan base... But apart those reasons you could dislike them, they are still good. Lyrical themes & energy reminds me of Pious Faults, actually. Would feel safe with my kids listening to them. ...But yeah, I might blush if N Flamez came on at a party.

[K2]

Dead Kennedys

A healthy, naturally smart icon of the counter-culture writes a song about doctors fucking with people's heads just for money, seemed witty and righteous until I had to see a doctor. Thanks Jello Biafra, sure I'm convinced that Trust Your Mechanic was written in a spirit of love and consideration of all suffering. Now I'm feeling better I can consider kindly that *he* might've had awful experiences with doctors and mechanics and other experts, and it's not an entirely invalid point he made, but the Dead Kennedys no longer is some kind of benchmark for social criticism. I don't need a song to make me scared of doctors because like, anti-capitalism and shit, if I'm sick.

Oh yeah, and also bands you stopped listening to because it became embarrassing or you just moved on or whatever, that weren't that bad when you try to find something wrong apart from it being dorky. I'd say In Flames, for me (their philosophical 90s sort of stuff, at least). Shiny corporate macho fantasy image, probably don't need day jobs, would keep my wits about me as a girl hanging out with them and fan base... But apart those reasons you could dislike them, they are still good. Lyrical themes & energy reminds me of Pious Faults, actually. Would feel safe with my kids listening to them. ...But yeah, I might blush if N Flamez came on at a party.

With all due respect, you live in Brisbane, correct? Australia has socialized medicine, no? You know much about the health care system in the United States? If you lived here, you'd probably not find that song to be problematic.

[nick_]

Dead Kennedys

A healthy, naturally smart icon of the counter-culture writes a song about doctors fucking with people's heads just for money, seemed witty and righteous until I had to see a doctor. Thanks Jello Biafra, sure I'm convinced that Trust Your Mechanic was written in a spirit of love and consideration of all suffering. Now I'm feeling better I can consider kindly that *he* might've had awful experiences with doctors and mechanics and other experts, and it's not an entirely invalid point he made, but the Dead Kennedys no longer is some kind of benchmark for social criticism. I don't need a song to make me scared of doctors because like, anti-capitalism and shit, if I'm sick.

Oh yeah, and also bands you stopped listening to because it became embarrassing or you just moved on or whatever, that weren't that bad when you try to find something wrong apart from it being dorky. I'd say In Flames, for me (their philosophical 90s sort of stuff, at least). Shiny corporate macho fantasy image, probably don't need day jobs, would keep my wits about me as a girl hanging out with them and fan base... But apart those reasons you could dislike them, they are still good. Lyrical themes & energy reminds me of Pious Faults, actually. Would feel safe with my kids listening to them. ...But yeah, I might blush if N Flamez came on at a party.

With all due respect, you live in Brisbane, correct? Australia has socialized medicine, no? You know much about the health care system in the United States? If you lived here, you'd probably not find that song to be problematic.

Most of these new posters seem like minor league cointelpro cops for some reason. I guess the generational divide makes everyone young talk like shitty AI with a motive. It only makes it clearer that we all live in PKD?s bathroom garbage can.

On the other hand salutations guys, speak with paucity and we will all flock to chime in

[vedicardi]

and the rich eat you

[croxschzwhyrghs]

Dead Kennedys

A healthy, naturally smart icon of the counter-culture writes a song about doctors fucking with people's heads just for money, seemed witty and righteous until I had to see a doctor. Thanks Jello Biafra, sure I'm convinced that Trust Your Mechanic was written in a spirit of love and consideration of all suffering. Now I'm feeling better I can consider kindly that *he* might've had awful experiences with doctors and mechanics and other experts, and it's not an entirely invalid point he made, but the Dead Kennedys no longer is some kind of benchmark for social criticism. I don't need a song to make me scared of doctors because like, anti-capitalism and shit, if I'm sick.

Oh yeah, and also bands you stopped listening to because it became embarrassing or you just moved on or whatever, that weren't that bad when you try to find something wrong apart from it being dorky. I'd say In Flames, for me (their philosophical 90s sort of stuff, at least). Shiny corporate macho fantasy image, probably don't need day jobs, would keep my wits about me as a girl hanging out with them and fan base... But apart those reasons you could dislike them, they are still good. Lyrical themes & energy reminds me of Pious Faults, actually. Would feel safe with my kids listening to them. ...But yeah, I might blush if N Flamez came on at a party.

With all due respect, you live in Brisbane, correct? Australia has socialized medicine, no? You know much about the health care system in the United States? If you lived here, you'd probably not find that song to be problematic.

Most of these new posters seem like minor league cointelpro cops for some reason. I guess the generational divide makes everyone young talk like shitty AI with a motive. It only makes it clearer that we all live in PKD?s bathroom garbage can.

On the other hand salutations guys, speak with paucity and we will all flock to chime in

I reply with mechanical sounding laughter from the computer room. If I were a cop I'd have fun saying everyone else was a cop to make everyone paranoid. I had to google PDK. I do not get the post entirely.

Pretty open to the idea that the amount of time I have spent on the internet has left me a bit fucked in the head/artificial/detached from reality and thus a bit weird with how I write, but I could say the generation divide from my end makes you talk like, uh, something else that'd sound mean to say.

Tell me how I write like AI and what the problem is. I *sort of* get what you're saying. 

RE: K2. It's a hard one. It would indeed make more sense in a more competitive environment. We do have Medicare, which allows you to see *some* general practitioners for free, and then specialists charge what they want on top of what the government pays. Then we get most of the same pharmaceuticals and all that. Easier to miss the impact of capitalism on health care but it's still there.

Is Biafra arguing for socialist healthcare anyway? He just sounds scary. It's a good song but ehhhhhh... Questionable. So I don't do exactly what he is doing and just tear down things people like or rely on, I will also give an example of bands that critiise capitalism with warmth and empathy. Sham 69. brb thinking of more.

and the rich eat you

IT'S SCARY WHAAAAAAA

[nuggetsvolume1]

The guy at least brings up an interesting topic. I've in recovery now, so I guess I question any sort of pro-drug or drinking songs? "More Beer", "So Fucked Up", whatever. I also really enjoyed getting fucked up from 18-30, and don't regret it, so stuff like that (or just the "drunk punk" stereotype in general) was the right soundtrack for me at that time. It just doesn't work for me now? So at 39, yeah, I would question those songs/that message. For a 21 year old kid, go for it.

It's funny: I'm probably more open minded about music now than when I was a kid. I've ADDED more stuff to my playlists than subtracted it. As I mentioned earlier, I am just now getting into Judas Priest, a band I would have sworn off as bad older-brother cock rock when I was growing up in the 90's. So I find my tastes becoming actually less selective with time. I tend to re-visit old stuff that I wrote off when younger and try to listen to it with fresh years.

I would say that some music that my friends and I took on as "ironically cool" in the early aughts now just seems disgusting. There was a period when a lot of people were embracing old Poison albums (not kidding) as some sort of ironic hipster thing. I had an ex who would listen to it all the time, as well as an ex-drummer who would blast it from his car stereo and thought he was the funniest/coolest guy in the world for doing so. Yeah....I question that one.

[clif]

I listened to Screeching Weasel as late as high school. Ugh!

Also, if I'm being honest, some of the Rip Off records stuff I keep hanging onto for nostalgia sake doesn't all hold up well as I get older.

Probably add more details to opinions when I am not on my phone at work.

[nuggetsvolume1]

A lot of lo-fi 90's stuff that was hailed as god head back in the day just bores me now. Especially if it was garbage lo-fi production like Rip Off shit or The Mummies.

We are really weird people in general for liking that shit. I've dated a lot of girls with excellent taste in raw music (Stooges, Joan Jett, Ramones), and I could never get a single one of them into 90's lo-fi crap. They want Supercharger off after a few songs. Most people appreciate a certain level of production, even if they dig raw, power driven music. And even when "garage rock" did get bigger with The White Stripes and The Hives, those were simple rock albums...but very well produced.

That aesthetic is just not for everybody. I would say anything under first Ramones LP-level fidelity is going to cause your average "rocker" to tune out.

I remember going for a long car ride to a party in college with a pop punk-ish girl I was hanging out with. I put on the second Drags album (not even that badly produced) and she made fun of it and told me to change CD's because it sounded like "a garbage can". We actually got in an argument with me defending it and her just laughing at how bad it sounded.

We're the weird ones.

[mud elf]

kiddie pool stuff but:

80s DC HC. Double O, early Government Issue, artificial peace, fuck...even VOID side of the split (sacrilege i know!) is yawn inducing these days. haven't heard flex your head in probably over 15 years and im afraid to, same with Void's condensed flesh stuff. Probably the boston stuff too, I put on the 1st F.U.'s the other week and didnt make it thru a whole side.

most "harder" hip hop. all that violent imagery seems kinda nihilistic and backwards to me as an adult. just my opinion.

i also used to love the first Dillinger Four album and EPs in high school, not even gonna humor an attempt at digging that stuff.

on the reverse, i've come BACK around to the Clash (s/t and london calling).

[clif]

A lot of lo-fi 90's stuff that was hailed as god head back in the day just bores me now. Especially if it was garbage lo-fi production like Rip Off shit or The Mummies.

We are really weird people in general for liking that shit. I've dated a lot of girls with excellent taste in raw music (Stooges, Joan Jett, Ramones), and I could never get a single one of them into 90's lo-fi crap. They want Supercharger off after a few songs. Most people appreciate a certain level of production, even if they dig raw, power driven music. And even when "garage rock" did get bigger with The White Stripes and The Hives, those were simple rock albums...but very well produced.

That aesthetic is just not for everybody. I would say anything under first Ramones LP-level fidelity is going to cause your average "rocker" to tune out.

I remember going for a long car ride to a party in college with a pop punk-ish girl I was hanging out with. I put on the second Drags album (not even that badly produced) and she made fun of it and told me to change CD's because it sounded like "a garbage can". We actually got in an argument with me defending it and her just laughing at how bad it sounded.

We're the weird ones.

I somewhat agree, but Supercharger would seem to be an exception, not the rule. I think anyone can get behind those songs

[Jerry Scotty]

I was thinking about some of the more anti-state 80s punk.
Now that we have a populist government, here in Italy, that has actually got elected through simple slogans like "politicians are crooks" and all that shit, some of which actually sounded like classic italian hardcore lyrics, and they're enforcing a fascist, racist, hateful agenda, they all sound like idiots.

[Mitch]

I periodically have to remind myself 'bout Dead Kennedys.  Hearing them changed my life (honestly!), but the whole (ahem) legacy thing is just so rough and punishing (especially locally).  Still, everything up to Frankenchrist...

I never need to remind myself how great The Mummies are.  Because they're the fucking greatest.

[clif]

I periodically have to remind myself 'bout Dead Kennedys.  Hearing them changed my life (honestly!), but the whole (ahem) legacy thing is just so rough and punishing (especially locally).  Still, everything up to Frankenchrist...

I never need to remind myself how great The Mummies are.  Because they're the fucking greatest.

Also, let's leave the Drags out of this. Best band.

[M-Rad]

Guess I'm just a young gun compared to all you guys. Bands like NOFX, Anti-Flag, Teenage Bottlerocket, etc.. I idolized Fat Mike when I was 15, now about eight years later and I can't stand him or most of the bands on his shitty label. I got really into ICP for a while back then too, but that was also when I was in chemo and frequently getting OxyContin and Ativan sooooo

I'm surprised by a lot of bands I still enjoy. Cloud Nothings was like the best thing ever when I was 17, listening to them now I still really enjoy their records. Can still get down to Bad Religion, Screeching Weasel, the Queers, once in a while. 5 years isn't so long, maybe I'll feel differently when I'm old like the rest of you.

I just hope I never outgrow metal. I wanna be buried in my denim vest.

[Kenneally]

kiddie pool stuff but:

80s DC HC. Double O, early Government Issue, artificial peace, fuck...even VOID side of the split (sacrilege i know!) is yawn inducing these days. haven't heard flex your head in probably over 15 years and im afraid to, same with Void's condensed flesh stuff. Probably the boston stuff too, I put on the 1st F.U.'s the other week and didnt make it thru a whole side.

WHAT?!?!?!