Pop punk militia

[shark party]

steve, i really miss your D.I.Y. emoticons.  you really need to bring these back in action...

[vint]

someone delete this thread.  it is dumb as kevin.  i mean shit, dumb as shit.......

Ahm dum ass heyall. It's ok though. I know you. You can talk all the shit you want, but I know you, and I know things about you, and it's very hard to take someone seriously when you know the things that I know about you. Don't worry, I won't tell anyone about these things, but just remember that I'm an open book, and yer completely full of shit. Scandolous. That's what you are my friend/foe.

[still stupid]

someone delete this thread.  it is dumb as kevin.  i mean shit, dumb as shit.......

Ahm dum ass heyall. It's ok though. I know you. You can talk all the shit you want, but I know you, and I know things about you, and it's very hard to take someone seriously when you know the things that I know about you. Don't worry, I won't tell anyone about these things, but just remember that I'm an open book, and yer completely full of shit. Scandolous. That's what you are my friend/foe.

we're two peas in a pod, kevin.  both honest assholes...

[Scrod Prickknee]

consider this,....  would anyone consider the Marked Men to be pop-punk?  probably not cause then they'd have to not like it.

They're somewhat of a pop punk band at this point, and my liking of the band rates the Reds ahead and MM at their best early on & worse the more poppity punk they get. They're some of my favorite people and I know that this clouds the issue for me. Plus, the first time I saw the Reds it felt like there was someone out there making music exactly how I wanted it to sound at that moment in my life. That's back when Mark was really angry and Chris was a punkamarocker. Don't hear much Queers in their sound, though, it's a bit more complex in the songwriting department than the straightforward Mutant Pop retard rock.

[vint]

Whatever dude. Yer an asshole, honest. I'll give ya that.

Anyway, I don't really buy into the "it was too hard to find good music in X" thing anyway really. I grew up before the internet too, remember. I guess different people are just interested in different things. I know Todd grew up in fuckin Door County which has never had a single punk band to my knowledge, and he found out about good music, and he's old. I gravitated towards the skateboarders in my neighborhood. They taught me to swear when I was in second grade, and I got in a bunch of trouble for teaching kids how to spell dirty words on the bus because of it. They also blasted punk rock on their boomboxes. I don't think they were particularly fond of me following them around, and they certainly didn't tell me anything like "go out and buy a Meatmen cassette at Surfin' Bird on Douseman in Green Bay" but I was able to figure shit out on my own just by paying attention to certain things. I also read a whole lot. I'd read music magazines constantly. Before I was into punk, I was into metal. My parents had a record collection, I went straight for the Doors, and later AC/DC and instead of looking at hot wheels cars or barbie dolls when I was at the store, I'd be looking through the sections with the records and tapes and I'd found a band called Black Sabbath and I immediately knew it was something I needed to hear, so I stole it.

I guess people can justify the fact that they listened to bad music in whatever way they want. I listened to some bands that sucked, and fuck, there is bands that I know I'd get laughed at here now for listening too. I don't have to justify it. I like fucking Choking Victim. You know who they are? Yeah. I like that band. Their first two 7"s are awesome, and I'll sometimes even listen to their album on Epitaph. Whatever. I also had a Vanilla Ice tape when I was a kid too, I liked Black Sabbath, Dead Kennedys and Vanilla Ice back then. You don't see me posting about Vanilla Ice though, do ya?

[april n]

i've never met anyone in henderson that was into punk.  last year when i was substitute teaching a girl came up to me and asked me if i liked the dead kennedys.  that's about the closest i guess haha.

i pretty much listened to bad pop music that was poplular with little girls (debbie gibson, tiffany, madonna, new kids on the block) and oldies cuz that's what my parents liked.  the dirty dancing soundtrack was probably my favorite record in 5th grade.  actually i still really like the ronettes and madonna.  then again....i'm not very punk.

[april n]

as for kevin vs david?  both of you guys are assholes.  i don't particuarly like or hate either of you.  only one of you seems honest to me though.

[vint]

i've never met anyone in henderson that was into punk. 

What about yer brother? har har

[vint]

Also, I don't care how small of a town you lived in down south, up north, up top, inside out, whatever. Bands like Metallica were available everywhere by the mid-80's. They were especially popular in rural bumfuck egypts. It'd only take a look at one of their pictures to be turned onto names like The Misfits, or Dead Kennedys. (and one of my points is, pop-punkers would never have been interested in stuff like that because they weren't social outcasts. they were teachers pets, they were jocks, they were the "preps" and that kind of shit would have turned them away - which is why they were turned on by shit like Squirtgun and Screeching Weasel, and Mister T Experience - all safe stuff. All cute stuff.) Fuck, I picked up a copy of Corrosion of Conformity's Technocracy on vinyl when I was about ten years old or something because I saw one of them wearing one of their shirts in a picture and I thought "fuck, man! corrosion of conformity! look at that evil nuclear skull shit! that looks awesome!"

There really is nothing wrong with getting into punk through Green Day. I'm sure there are plenty of super awesome people who got turned onto punk that way. I know at least a couple of 'em.

I still think it's totally retarded that there are people who aren't completely and totally fuckin' embarrased by the fact that they still like this music. That they feel nostalgic about it and wanna reminisce, that blows my mind. I don't even like Vanilla Ice on an ironic level and I still can recite the lyrics to "Ice Ice Baby" off the top of my head.

[Maltodextrin]

Also, I don't care how small of a town you lived in down south, up north, up top, inside out, whatever. Bands like Metallica were available everywhere by the mid-80's. They were especially popular in rural bumfuck egypts. It'd only take a look at one of their pictures to be turned onto names like The Misfits, or Dead Kennedys. (and one of my points is, pop-punkers would never have been interested in stuff like that because they weren't social outcasts. they were teachers pets, they were jocks, they were the "preps" and that kind of shit would have turned them away - which is why they were turned on by shit like Squirtgun and Screeching Weasel, and Mister T Experience - all safe stuff. All cute stuff.) Fuck, I picked up a copy of Corrosion of Conformity's Technocracy on vinyl when I was about ten years old or something because I saw one of them wearing one of their shirts in a picture and I thought "fuck, man! corrosion of conformity! look at that evil nuclear skull shit! that looks awesome!"

There really is nothing wrong with getting into punk through Green Day. I'm sure there are plenty of super awesome people who got turned onto punk that way. I know at least a couple of 'em.

I still think it's totally retarded that there are people who aren't completely and totally fuckin' embarrased by the fact that they still like this music. That they feel nostalgic about it and wanna reminisce, that blows my mind. I don't even like Vanilla Ice on an ironic level and I still can recite the lyrics to "Ice Ice Baby" off the top of my head.

I don't know...I can't stand Epitaph, snowboards, Warped tour, NOFX, mallpunk, AFI, whatever-- and I literally grew up going to see bands like COC circa "Animosity" ("Technocracy" just sounded like some shit metal record to me when it came out)-- but if I can still harbour a lingering taste for the likes of Screeching Weasel or MTX, it's not because they were safe and cleancut, it's because they made music that was light years smarter, more interesting, more enduring and more memorable than than any of the pointless, disposable crustcore and peacepunk mediocrity otherwise passing as punk at the time.  I guess your particular time and place determines what significance you grant this stuff, but the idea that anything recorded by a band like 10-96 is even in the same league as, say, MTX's "History of the concept of the soul" or Screeching Weasel's "Science of myth", outside your own personal cosmology, is laughable.  And I say that as a guy that has fucking worshipped Discharge and Poison Idea since 1985.

[vint]

Have you ever even heard 10-96?

[Maltodextrin]

Have you ever even heard 10-96?

Christ, I've had a couple of their records.  Totally forgettable, sorry, although I totally understand if they were important to you growing up.  I used to totally freak seeing No Mind and Bunchofuckingoofs and Missing Link and even MSI 20+ years ago, and No Mind were legitimately a force of nature live, but if you weren't a 16 year old Toronto hardcore kid, there'd never be any reason for you to agree or understand.  Musical is personal, right?

[vint]

Yeah, but I'm going to put up 10-96's Gas Bag 7" tonight for y'all to download, because I've been ranting about them alot lately and it is not forgetable at all. I mean, maybe y'all won't like it, but I'd be suprised.

[three chord youth]

I read this whole thread. It sucked.

[AndyJunk]

And a lot the leather/pin/CT kids became big Crypt/Rip Off fans, as well, and unfortunately that turned off people like Kevin from checking out a lot of the best music of the era.

Yeah, so unfortunate that those people were ignorant for superficial reasons.   Their loss was deserved.  It's about the music...bottom fucking line.

Hey, I'm about to see Naked Raygun and Dillinger Four two nights in a row!  What do you assholes think of that shit?!