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« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2007, 11:03:55 PM »
Britain's black funnybone (Johann Hari)
What does the comedy on the Edinburgh fringe tell us about Britain's mood?

 
 In August, every last granite crevice of Edinburgh - this 18th century Scottish city on a hill - becomes infested with Comedy. Every building, hut, toilet and phone box is requisitioned for Laughter, and if there?s any room left, they fill it with new metal portakabins to make you chortle and spew some more. As the stand-up Nick Doody puts it: ?If you?re in a car accident in Edinburgh and the ambulance is a bit late, they?ll set up a show in your guts. When you come round, the doctor will say ? the bad news is you?re going to lose your legs. The good news is ? you?re now venue number 1674, and the show?s getting rave reviews.?

If you know what makes a country laugh, you know what it fears and dreams and despises. So I decided to go in search of the funny-bone lying deep in the flesh of Gordon Brown?s Britain. Let?s start our trawl as most of its practitioners do - with a long lash of depression.

The skinny, slight Simon Amstell is best known as the acidic host of ?Never Mind the Buzzcocks?, but here he is offering a late-night dose of despair. ?Is there anything worse than being alive?? he asks. ?People think death is worse because they don?t know what it?s like. I?ll tell you what it?s like ? less bother.? Looking bleakly out into the blackened auditorium, he declares, ?When somebody says to me, ?I?m having a baby?, I say, ?Really? You know who else had a baby? Everyone. You?re just furthering the cycle of misery.??

The source of this misery is a man. Amstell began to row with his boyfriend last year, and started trawling into the fetid bogs of Eastern spirituality for a salve. His logic was: ?There?s a personality clash here. So I had to take my personality out of the equation.? He began to trawl into the Buddha?s thought and concluded: ?The idea we are individually significant is illusory. You know this is true when a friend shows you their photographs. You think, I don?t care, I can?t be bothered ? oh, is that me?? He tells a man in the audience, ?You think you have an identity. You have glasses, so you?re the guy with glasses. But when a crisis comes along, you think, I?m more than that. Actually, you?re less. Much less.?

Amstell could easily get away with serving up a few lukewarm gags for a drunk, late-night audience who just wants to see that bloke off the telly ? but instead he offers a probing, cerebral show that has stretched far beyond it. ?I thought about buying a cat,? he explains, ?but then I realised a cat isn?t going to make me any less lonely. It?ll just provide a mascot for my loneliness.?

He speaks not just for everyone who?s ever been dumped, but for a disconnected, disengaged chunk of Britain, sitting in their own trendily-furnished boxes waiting for the world ? or some meaningful cause ? to come bursting through the door. It doesn?t. He ends declaring, ?If you ever feel you?re too depressed to go on ? don?t. Obviously, don?t kill yourself after this show though, because that?s not a good review for me. It?s one thing to say ?I died laughing?, but not to say ?I laughed then I died.??

Will Hodgson seems, at first, to be from another Britain far away. He is a big-bellied 29-year old with a pitbull face and a high, high mohican ? dyed bright pink. ?At many points in my life I?ve been a miserable failure,? he explains in his warp-speed Essex burr. ?I was a miserable failure at being a skinhead at 17, a miserable failure at wrestling school in my mid-20s, and since the age of five I have been a miserable failure at collecting My Little Pony dolls.?

I sit up. There?s something original and odd here. Hodgson whizzes through his obsession with My Little Pony, interspersed with anecdotes about what particular animal tattoos mean in prison, before adding with a frown: ?Skinheads are a much more liberal group than you have been lead to believe, but they draw the line at My Little Pony lesbian weddings.?

So many ?character? comedies feel contrived; this has the acrid tang of authenticity. Hodgson guides us through the pubs and kebab shops of Chippenham: one of them ?is the kind of place you should go if you are ever pissed off with having two eyes.? Another is somewhere ?they might as well put the rohypnol in the drinks when they serve them.?

Hodgson introduces a theme that keeps recurring in Edinburgh?s comedyathon: a sense we are all living in a processed, plastic environment, trapped in our own inaunthenticity. He caught a late-night show on ITV2 called ?The 150 Worst Moments of the 1980s,? and explains: ?If you?re a bankrupt coal-miner watching your son inject himself with heroin, don?t worry ? at least you?re not Timmy Mallet, who was officially the worst thing about the entire decade. That makes him the worst person of the 1980s too, which must be a great relief to Peter Sutcliffe.?

Hodgson?s is a voice pining for reality ? including real women. ?I?d climb over Paris Hilton to get to Fern Britton ? should such an unlikely scenario ever occur,? he says. ?Having sex with Paris Hilton would be like sleeping with a giant bar of Toblerone you?d dipped in Ronseal.? Hodgson drags onto the stage a country dismissed ? not least by repellent snobbish stand-ups like Jimmy Carr and Tom Stade ? as ?chav Britain?. ?If you see any posh kids wandering around dressed as ?chavs? to promote their show, kill them,? he says, and I cheered.

But Britain is racked not just by resurgent snobbery, but by the resurgence of foaming religion too. As always, its greatest comedic foe here is Stewart Lee, who boats in the title of his show that he is now officially ?the 41st best stand-up ever? according to Channel Four?s incessant, inane list shows. Wandering onto the stage with his hands in his dark-suited pockets, he explains he is currently itching to begin shooting a documentary called ?March of the Mallards?.

The Christian right seized hungrily on the movie ?March of the Penguins?, because as it followed our waddling Antarctic friends, it found they believe in monogomy and family values. See! It?s natural! Well, Lee tells us, ?Mallards are the only creature that reproduces exclusively by gang rape. They have been captured on film indulging in some recreational homosexual necrophilia. So I want a film where Morgan Freeman says in the narration: ?There goes that mallard taking the other dead mallard in the ass ? in a dance as old as time.? There?s nature.?

Lee?s atheism is part of an old English empiricist tradition. He doesn?t offer the angry anti-clericalism of the French philosophes, but a wry and mocking raised eyebrow at the absurd claims of the faithful.

This scepticism extends too to the feelings of the public too. He says: ?I am very sceptical about anything the public vote for, especially when it comes to comedy, where you have no taste or judgement.? Exhibit A is the fact that whenever we are asked to vote for the funniest TV moment ever ? ever ? we vote for Delboy falling through the bar. Was it funnier than Peter Cook satirising Macmillan in the 1950s? Yes, he fell through the bar. Was it funnier than Chris Morris? Brass Eye? Yes, he fell over. He was standing up, then he fell over. It?s the funniest thing there?s ever in my member of the public opinion. Ever. It?s just as well Sir Isaac Newton didn?t share the sense of humour of an average member of the public. He would have been so amused by the simple effect of gravity he would never have conducted a comprehensive study of its causes.?

After Lee?s laconic style, it takes a moment to acclimatise to the hoarse Aussie bark of Brendan Burns ? although his rage against religion is just as great and just as righteous. ?Somebody trying to blow themselves up to convert us all to Islam, and not killing anyone else, is hilarious,? he yells. ?If you see any comedian who isn?t joking about it, they?re not doing their job. I want tickets to the next one. I?ll be there roasting marshmallows. You want to convert Britain to Islam? They haven?t even converted to Christianity yet. They haven?t even converted to the fucking metric system. And you?re offering no drink, no sex, no music, and at the end you burn yourself alive? Sign me up!?

One of the most dessicated clich?s in the comedy critic?s vocabulary is to call a stand-up show ?a blast? ? but Burns? really is a blast. He screams and shouts and punches his way across the stage in a recovering-alcoholic rage. The poster for his show makes it look at first like a tedious anti-PC rant: it shows Burns in blackface, then in a wheelchair impersonating a disabled person, then mocked up as Christ on the cross, and asks: ?So I Suppose This Is Offensive Now??

But actually Burns is offering something much more interesting than that. With a blunt honesty, Burns is trying to tease out what we can legitimately joke about together. He loathes racism - ?I don?t celebrate Australia Day, in much the same way I don?t celebrate Hitler?s birthday. Two hundred years of genocide? It?s not for me? ? but he wants to be able to mock cultural differences he finds depraved, like forcing women into burquas. He says, ?If you take the piss out of culture, people get uncomfortable ? but isn?t culture something I do because my granddad did? And don?t we take the piss out of grandad a lot??

Burns illustrates this conflict within comedians with a real, live twist, as shocking as the shockers in ?The Crying Game? or ?The Sixth Sense.? It would be a crime to give it away, but the audience leaves thinking about racism ? and their reactions to it ? in a burning new light.

All over the fringe, comedians are being forced to defend their right to offend. The excellent, under-rated young stand-up Nick Doody has been chastised for saying Madeleine McCann?s parents were right to visit the Pope ?because if anyone can find a paedophile?? He explains in his set: ?Just because you make a joke about something doesn?t mean you find the subject itself funny. To laugh at a knock knock joke you don?t have to find doors hilarious. But people are looking for offence. Why did the chicken cross the road? I can?t believe you?d say that! My mother was pecked to death by a chicken!?

But Jerry Sadowitz ? the Glasweigan-Tourettesian veteran stand-up - takes this offensiveness shooting off into the stratosphere. He wishes death on Heather Mills-McCartney (?she?s two-thirds of a fuckin? person?) and says things about the McCanns and assorted other public figures that cannot be published in a family newspaper. In fact, they cannot be published in any newspaper, except perhaps the Cromwell Street Gazette. ?My glass is fuckin? empty and cracked and it?s no? even there because some bastard stole it,? he rasps in between offering card-tricks to the audience, as if he was the bastard child of Tommy Cooper and Fred West. There is one moment of accuracy in his set: Sadowitz yells, ?The only way I?m getting back on telly is if I?m kidnapped by fucking Iraqis.?

If Sadowitz is edgy, though, Rick Shapiro at the Green Room is over the edge, off the cliff and bleeding to death in the valley below. Shapiro is a former prostitute and heroin addict who shambles on stage and snaps, ?You guys are looking at me like a bunch of radiation victims.? He begins to mumble and flail for a few minutes, before pleading: ?Stay with me because I am so desperate to snort cocaine and shoot heroin and crawl off the stage and die right now. Imagine if suicide was for you just eating lots of chocolate ice cream. That?s what it?s like in my head.? It sounds smooth on the page. Imagine it said with a stammer and a crazed flickering stare.

This isn?t stand-up ? it?s crawl-across, with Shapiro dragging himself across the stage and twitching. He periodically yells, ?Help me!? His director has to yell ?Come on Rick!? from the back of the room from time to time, causing him to snap back, ?You don?t know what it?s like to be off your medication when the voices in your head aren?t friendly.? It?s hard to separate the comedy from the disintegration: at one point he has a hacking cough and says, ?I got AIDS but I?ll beat it.? It takes the audience a few beats to realise this was actually a joke. There are a few good lines that spasm out of him - ?If a woman?s a good lay, don?t call her a whore. Call her again? ? but all I really remember is my growing fear that this might be the first stand-up gig since Tommy Cooper where the act literally dies on stage.

If Burns and Shapiro water-cannon you with angry testosterone, the most intriguing trend on the fringe is towards a very different kind of comedy ? one that offers you a warm bath of oestrogen. Josie Long is the queen of this new school, which I think of as Organic Comedy. It usually involves lots of home-made props, hand-written diagrams, and a whimsical, upbeat glow. It is the polar opposite of the glib, flavourless speed-comedy of a Jimmy Carr, offering instead something slower, more intimate, and stripped of the comedy-pesticides of cynicism and sneering.

Josie (and with her easy intimacy, you quickly think of her as ?Josie?, not ?Long?) is a scatty, dreamy twentysomething who begins her show ?Trying is Good? absent-mindedly saying to the tecchie, ?Oh God, sorry, I was miles away.? The central image of her show comes from something she spotted in the local swimming pool at the start of the Festival. They have built a floating assault course for the children to play on, and there is a man ? ?an actual adult man?, she says ? whose job is to hose the children off if they get too far. ?What does he say at dinner parties when people ask his job? ?Actually, I power-hose children off a floating assault course.?

Josie spotted one fat kid clinging desperately ? and successfully ? to the course, with a look on his face that said ?At last - victory! Of sorts.? And she figured: ?I would always rather be a fat kid on a slide than the bastard with the hose.? Her show is a celebration of people who invest effort ? ?no matter how misplaced.? It is a catalogue of people who delight her, and whatever the opposite of misanthropy is ? proanthropy? ? she is full of it.

This kind of comedy is hard to capture in written snippets: you can?t bottle charm. Josie takes her audiences skidding along great wide rainbows of whimsy. To give a small taster: says she loves rollercoasters because ?it?s like somebody you don?t know coming up to you and saying, ?If you give me ?2 I will shake you.? And you say, ?Yes.? Then they say, ?If you give me ?2.50, I will give you the chance to win a toy to the value of ten pence, along with the illusion that you are good at sports.?

Josie?s organic comedy style is spreading into something like a movement here, and it is an artistic cousin of the Mumblecore movement in American independent cinema. Both are stripped-down reactions to a crass commercial culture of pulp products and pulped minds. Both are trying to retrieve the personal and the intimate buried beneath the plastic and tinsel and wrapping paper of our corporate culture, and they are all frightened of being squeezed into a deadening 9-5 culture that smothers personal creativity.

Issy Suttee?s show ?Love in the Retail Industry? is one of the most beautiful examples, consisting of nothing but a sweet, slight Northern girl, a guitar, and a voice you want to swim in. With this, Suttee creates a love story in a supermarket in Matlock that washes away all the bad taste left in your mouth from enduring foul rants about ?chavs?.

Hers is a dreamy world, depicted with love, that reflects a forgotten chunk of Gordon Brown?s Britain ? the one working on tills but dreaming of being in a band, who sings with a wry smile: ?Somewhere over the rainbow/ There?s global warming./ And a black charcoal cloud slowly forming?/ If there?s a pot at the end of the rainbow/ It?s full of piss.? Yes, this is a school of comedy that makes you gurgle rather than belly-laugh ? but it also offers a worldview that urges you, for all its sadness, to find happiness in the scattered moments of authenticity and tenderness between human beings. It?s not just a style of comedy; it?s a philosophy of life.

But what is missing from this picture of British comedy? There are only a few straggling political stand-ups left here: the always-dependable Andy Zaltzman made the best point of the festival when he said, ?Next time scientists have a report on global warming they should issue it as a fuzzy video from a mountain lair in Afghanistan. Then we?ll be terrified.?

Yet mostly, political stand-up has stood down. I think I know the root of the problem: George Bush has killed political comedy (and hundreds of thousands of people). The laughs in his strangulated English ? and in a Vice-President who shoots an old man in the face, mistaking him for a quail ? are so obvious they don?t need to be amplified by a guy with a microphone. The same goes for the Carry On Up the Jihad attacks on London and Glasgow last month.

Instead, we are left with a softer, sadder picture of Britain from the clouds of laughter that hang over Edinburgh. It is of a country that is, in the main, wealthy - but oddly unsatisfied with our lives. We are uncomfortable talking to each other, not even sure of what language to use. We know there are terrible threats out there ? global warming, jihadism ? but don?t feel we can do anything about them. There is no grand national story here - just the scattered stories of depressive break-ups with our boyfriends, kebab shops in Chippenham, and an attempt to retrieve some reality from a mass-produced husk. I have found Britain?s funny-bone ? and it?s black and fractured.

 

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Re: are there any good stand up comedians these days?
« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2007, 02:51:13 PM »
I like Nick Dipalo, Lewis Black, Dave Attel, Neil Hamburger, Jim Norton, and Del Silverback.

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« Reply #48 on: August 28, 2007, 08:02:05 PM »
ALAN BISHOP / "UNCLE JIM"

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Re: are there any good stand up comedians these days?
« Reply #49 on: August 28, 2007, 10:01:16 PM »
I'll tell you who's NOT funny...Joe Rogan.


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« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2018, 11:44:15 AM »
With Netflix now giving everybody in comedy a standup/sitcom special I thought this could use a bump. Netflix’s comedy model feels similar to the networks in the 90s giving everybody a deal and just seeing what sticks.

I haven’t had a chance to check them all out yet and fear of praising somebody that turns out to have a possible terrible side to them (ex: what’s going on with Louis Ck and Aziz) it makes it a weird time to champion anybody.

However, I watched Tom Segura “Disgraceful” last night while packing orders and I was crying from laughing so hard. I didn’t know much about him but he mentioned something about being on Rogan’s Podcast (I don’t listen). Anybody know if he’s a regular on that? Also, anybody check out any of the other standups on a Netflix they recommend?
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Re: are there any good stand up comedians these days?
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2018, 12:47:14 PM »
Not really applicable, but I did spend the last two mornings watching every episode of Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee now that they're on Netflix (I watched a few before). There was a point a few years ago where I thought I wasn't feeling Jerry anymore (probably instigated by seeing Seinfeld episodes nearly every day for like 10 years) but that was a mistake. Guy is the best. The only two episodes I couldn't stomach were Ricky Gervais (Ricky just annoys the shit out of me for some reason) and Michael Richards (who seems like a legit dickhead). 

On topic, that series the Stand Ups from last year has good 1/2 hours from Dan Soder and Nikki Glaser.

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« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2018, 01:00:53 PM »
Chelsea Peretti, who is Jordan Peele's wife (and also on "Brooklyn Nine Nine") is a really funny stand-up when she does it. Real self-deprecating stuff. I think she's great.  I don't think Joe Rogan is supposed to be funny, just a rich jock pondering "deep thoughts". I can't stomach the guy.

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« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2018, 01:02:23 PM »
This was awhile back, but I thought Marc Maron's Netflix stand up special was pretty good, too.

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« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2018, 01:38:33 PM »
I went through those Comedians in Cars too, loved it. Only one I couldn’t stand was the girl that had the YouTube show - that was nails on a chalkboard. Also enjoyed the Stand-Ups series, it’s coming back for another season but I haven’t seen the comics that are on.

I’ll check out Maron and Peretti.
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« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2018, 06:05:35 PM »
Peretti is great, she used to kill it on the Nick Kroll Show constantly.

Marc Maron makes my skin crawl.

Stanhope was on Stern the other day, destroyed as usual. Dude is the greatest worst person.

Anyone following Artie Lange's life anymore? I love the guy, but fuuuck. He got on Anthony's network as co-host of the main show and showed up late and fucked up every day, including getting a nosebleed on air (theres a hilarious part where Rich Vos tries to bring it to Anthony's attention here.) then just stopped showing up, then posted a selfie to twitter that got him a visit from the cops, went AWOL got arrested again I think, went to court for his previous possession charge and got off pretty easy, then went to rehab paid for by his comic friends (rumor has it was Norm Macdonald that paid for it and made him go) - now he's back on the show, looking slightly less fucked up but when you still have to wear shades in the studio you give off the impression you're still fucked up. Although they had a "panel" the other day with Artie, Jim Norton, Stanhope and Luis J. Gomez that was great and had Artie seeming surprisingly lucid.



All I really want to do is watch Norm Macdonald footage though.

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« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2018, 07:11:22 PM »
Todd Glass's Netflix special is really good and different, a unique voice.  John Mulaney is surprisingly good too.  Chappelle's two recent ones are among his best.  Maria Bamford is maybe a genius.  Rory Scovel too. 

Netflix bankrolled specials by Carlos Ballarta and Mau Nieto, both of which are hilarious in Spanish but maybe less so through Eng subtitles.  Mexico City is suddenly awash in standup comics.  There's a couple of unkind moments in each of those that grate on one's Americanized sensibility, but whatchagonnadoo.

Norm is still the best though.  Fella by the name of I'mnotnorm is posting Normthogied to YT by the fuckload.  Lately one is intrigued by the Adam Eget abuse comps.  Where do you get your ideas from? 
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« Reply #57 on: February 04, 2018, 10:32:30 PM »
Been a fan of Artie for a while now. Even got his book. Dude is just a train wreck and its sad really given how funny he is. But I like that he's so open with how fucked up he is. I suggest watching his hot ones episode where he's clearly smacked out of his mind but it's by far the funniest one yet.

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In regards to Norm There's a YouTube user "I'm not norm" who uploads a new compilation every week or so with norm on different topics. It's pretty much all I watch.

Norm is and has always been on another level.


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« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2018, 10:45:46 PM »
i cant imagine giving any views or whatever to anthony cumia or his "network", or anything else for that matter.  brent weinbach is a wonderful comedian, most of what I like these days is improv or tv writers.
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« Reply #59 on: February 05, 2018, 05:04:38 PM »
 ^^^^ Co-signed as to Chelsea Peretti.  V. smart and funny.  Kroll Show had some great bits.  One misses Key and Peele too, apropos of JP.
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