Yes, the same Shutups who hated "Rip Off shit" but were almost signed to the label and made a big deal about it and did a Problematics cover set around that time, the same Shutups who have had 37 different members, the same Shutups who have had Eric on bass, on guitar, just singing, Lugs on bass, Lugs on drums, etc., the same Shutups who were "Shutup" and pop punk, the same Shutups were have been a metal band, a Junk Records band, a Dwarves-style band, a hardcore (speed) band, the same Shutups who added an organ to get a Lost Sounds sound but hate Lost Sounds, the same Shutups. An enigma wrapped in a bratwurst.