jazz jizz

[Sukebe GG]

Amen to Oliver Nelson - the blues and the abstract truth. I'd start with the more straight ahead or borderline stuff before trying to dive into the avant:
John Coltrane- Giant Steps
Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch
Grant Green- Grantstand
Big John Patton - Along Came John
Really, you can't go wrong with any classic Blue Note early '60s sides with the more famous players like Lee Morgan, Herbie Hancock, Fredie Hubbard, Wayne Shorter, etc.
Also some of Miles' classic mid-60's quintet like E.S.P. , Sorceror or Live at The Plugged Nickel.
I'd also recommend a late night headphone session with a huge bowl o' green with any of these to furthre enhance your, uh, appreciation.

[bazooka joe]

I'd also recommend a late night headphone session with a huge bowl o' green with any of these to furthre enhance your, uh, appreciation.

Fuckin' a dude! In fact, I got into jazz and weed at the same time in my life. coincidence?

[clif]

I love this thread. I just picked up Attica Blues and it is blowing my mind.

Is that Sonny Sharrock and Tony Williams stuff hard to find? I askj this before I even do a amazon, or anything, search. Just stuff I've never heard of. Ayler and Mingus are next on the list.

[Jared]

Neither are hard to find.  The Tony Williams' Lifetime is on Bluenote which is about as common and prominent as jazz labels get (the only jazz exclusives that come close are Verve! and Impulse).  And the Sonny Sharrock is available on both cd and lp.  The lp is on Four Men With Beards and the cd was just recently issued by Water - Revolver should have it.

[erickelric]

Archie Shepp - 'The Way Ahead' is a swinger.

They started releasing ESP stuff again. Makes me wish I had tons of cash. I can't afford all of those beautiful vinyl reissues, like the Get Back and BYG reissues.

[clif]

Ok, so school me on the esp-disc stuff. How is Pearls Before Swine, Godz, stuff like that.

Also, I found a cd that combines Ayler's "Bells/Prophecy" albums on one disc. Good?

I know I'm going to order some of the Sun Ra esp-dsc recordings I found, just wondering if there is anything else I should be thining about.

[bazooka joe]

I really can't recommend hard be-bop enough. To really appreciate the weird shit, it's best to get into the bop, because it was a completely modern way of doing things and it really helps you to understand the progression of ideas that were happening post-war America. It may sound old timey at the beginning, but you have to put into perspective that not only is it extremely radical, but it still swings, and most of the free stuff doesn't. Art Bakey Live At Birdland (Blue Note) can give you a pretty good glimpse into the "scene" cuz it was live and the band was on fuckin' fire, and I guess the next step would be Ornette Coleman's "Art Of The Improvisors" (Atlantic) because it retains lot's of the style of be-bop, but goes into retarded improvisational territory good enough to give you an idea, from a 21st century perspective, what was yet to come.

[clif]

I have Ornette Coleman's Free Jazz and some Charlie Parker already. I just seem to get into the more way out there stuff better.

Cecil Taylor, Coltrane, and Rolandad Kirk are some of the stuff I know best when it comes to Jazz (ie have listened to more). Another one I really like is the Eric Dolphy "Live at the Five Spot." In fact, I like that one better than "Out To Lunch."

[clif]

However, Joe. I think I will look those two albums up as well. Thanks for the head's up.

[SSR]

Pearls before Swine blows. The Godz are good but is an acquired taste - be prepared for psych done accoustic. The Cromagnom LP on ESP is a must have freak record.

Ayler's "Bells/Prophecy" is good but I wouldnt recommend it as an intro to him. Try to fin Live in Greenwich Village and if that grabs you than proceed forward.

As far as jazz, I will second the Oliver Nelson Blues & the Abstract Truth BUT only Volume 1. Volume 2 sucks.

Some folks not mentioned often enough:
 Jimmy Giuffre.  Any of the early Jimmy Guiffre 3 albums are good.  So is Misquitos.
 Stanley Cowell. Brilliant Circles is fantastic.
 Julius Hemphill.  Coon Bid'ness is a must.
  Air. Air-time. great sparse free jazz.
 Chico Hamilton / Gabor Szabo  - these guys did about five records together on Impulse which are just fucking killers.
 Lee Morgan. Sidewinder. or any of those double album blue note reissues.
 Jackie McLean. McLean's Scene is great, but most of his early stuff is.
 Randy Weston - any of his early stuff (you can find on a double album called Zulu) and the few on Arista Freedom.
 CCC (Creative COntruction Company) all star free jazz group w/ braxton, jenkins, abrams, etc. They did 2 lps worth having.

None of the above is very difficult to find and you will find them all rewarding.
 
I hate Tony Williams Lifetime.

[bazooka joe]

Ther's a nice period of not free, but more experimental bop that's great. Pretty much early to mid 60's... Like Freddie Hubbard's "Breaking Point" and Wayne Shorter's "The All Seeing Eye." Very very very good stuff...

[Jared]

I'd probably grab "Space Is The Place" before any of the ESP-Disk Sun Ra stuff.
And Scott, you HATE "Lifetime"?  That's so strong!  If you can get past the boring first track the rest ain't bad.

[Jared]

And why hasn't anybody mentioned Peter Brotzman yet?  "More Nipples" is skronkadelic! 

[clif]

Aaron- Hello. I've worked there a couple of times, but I'm not one of the owners. I've worked teh Chicago record show with Jeff a couple of times too. Do you live in B/N, or just the surrounding area? Next time make sure to introduce yourself personally. I am in there quite a bit just shooting the shit and getting Rolling Stones bootlegs from Jeff.

I just found a Tony Williams "Live in Tokyo" double cd that I forgot a friend burned for me last year. I hadn't really listened to it. It's okay. Not quite my thing. I can't get pst the drum solos I guess. But, I'll give it a few more trys.

[SSR]

i'll second aaron's shepp list with a nod toward coral rock being one of the most unique records of that period. it really sounds like the roots of the butthole surfers or some twisted underworld take on can. a great record.