My introduction to Haunted George, otherwise known as
the one-man band of ex-Beguiled and Necessary Evils
member Steve Pallow, came about two months ago. "The
Devil's Canyon." A paranoid, nightmarish and
altogether disturbed aural hallucination; each drum
thud the lockstep of a weary fella who's lost himself
in the twilight of the uninhabited desert; every space
between beats a sparse landscape devoid of humanity,
yet rife with fear and exaggerated panic. A creepy
dirge that calls to mind pieces of American folklore,
the extraterrestrial, the supernatural, murder.
Y'know, a BAD TRIP. And not something you're bound to
hear from any other one man band today. Naturally, I
flipped out and had to ask the guy a few quick
questions. He obliged...
TB: OK, first things first: You did some time in a
couple pretty well-known bands before doing your one
man band thing, right?
HG: Well I don�t know how �well known� they are but I
played bass and sang some songs in The Beguiled and I
played rhythm guitar and sang all the songs in The
Necessary Evils.
TB: So how did you end up from the Beguiled to the
Necessary Evils to Haunted George?
HG: The Beguiled started in the mid-1980�s, broke up,
got back together, broke up, got back together and
finally broke up in 1994 just a few months after we
toured Europe with Fireworks. Mike Ball, the guitarist
for The Beguiled was killed instantly by a drunk
driver when he was coming home from a Fireworks show
in Santa Ana. That was such a tragedy because he was
so talented and creative as well as having really good
taste in stuff. He was constantly turning me on to
some book or record that he�d come across. I was a
total mess for about 6 months after Mike died. He was
like my brother and I still miss him very much to this
day. For years during The Beguiled, Mike and I wrote
tons of songs with me writing the words and singing
and Mike making the guitar riffs and the chord
changes. For a rhythm section we had about 5 to 10
reel to reel tape recorders with various tape loops
running making everything from straight beats and bass
lines to abstract noise. We called it �The Sound Lab�
and on the tapes we made Mike would call himself
�Radio Brain� and I would call myself �Snuff Maximus�.
When The Beguiled couldn�t practice for whatever
reason we�d do Sound Lab. I have several hours �Sound
Lab� recordings, some of it sounds like a regular band
and some of it is completely abstract. After Mike died,
James Arthur was dealing with the break up of
Fireworks and he came out to California from Texas and
it ended up turning into The Necessary Evils. A lot of
the Necessary Evil�s material came from �Sound Lab�
songs. Any Necessary Evil record that co-credits Mike
Ball is originally a �Sound Lab� song: �Twist, Grind,
Rock and Burn�, �Thrill Pill�, �State of Confusion�,
�Motorwitch� and many more. The Necessary Evils lasted
about 4 or 5 years and broke up because all the guys
started moving out of state. I was also getting
depressed playing punk/rock �n� roll. I was feeling
old and tired. After the Necessary Evils broke up, I
kind of stopped playing music for a while. I hardly
touched a guitar and stopped listening to any kind of
music that wasn�t pre-1940�s country or blues. I
stopped listening to any kind of Rock �n� roll or
Punk. It was getting to where electrified guitar was
starting to sound foreign to me and stuff with drums
in it was even stranger. I eventually picked up the
guitar again and I started trying to write stuff that
I could play and sing acoustically like Jimmie
Rodgers, early Gene Autry and Cliff Carlise. At the
same time I wanted it also to sound like stuff that I
had written in other bands. I was really trying to
write Western songs. Some of the songs sounded like an
acoustic-folk version of the Necessary Evils and The
Beguiled. Other stuff had a weird
rockabilly/country/folk sound that I never really got
to put into either of those other bands . During this
time I was still doing abstract stuff as �Snuff
Maximus� and some of it is acoustic guitar, Roland
synthesizer, and tape loops over songs about murder
and ghosts in the desert. How that turned into Haunted
George is that I had already been playing a little
with a kick drum. I had also done a thing that I�d
seen John Lee Hooker do and that is to tap on a
cutting board with hard soled shoes to make a beat. I
saw him at the Golden Bear when I was in high school
and he did that. They just put a spot light on him and
the band took a break. He sat there by himself tapping
his foot while singing and picking. It was the
highlight of the set as far as I was concerned because
all those guys in back up bands usually just are
awful. So when I started doing Haunted George, I was
going for that kind of thing; the lone guitar
troubadour, just a guy with a guitar pickin� and
crooning, but I�m such a terrible guitar player I
can�t sing so it doesn�t work. Sometime in late 2004,
after hearing for a while guys like John Schooley,
Bloodshot Bill, and King Louie, I decided to try out
the fuller drum sound for myself. Once I did that it
was an epiphany for me because it masked, a little
bit, my lack of talent in the vocals and picking
department.
TB: Was the one-man band decision a conscious choice,
or did it just kind of happen that way?
HG: It�s a little bit of both really. I�m about the
millionth guy on this one man band wagon. I can�t deny
that. 2005 was really the year of the One Man Band. So
many came out that now I think people are sick of it.
The last thing I want to do I look like some loser
that�s jumping on the latest rock trend, but two
things happened that made Haunted George really take
off for me; James Arthur started Hook or Crook records,
and Myspace. When James started his label he came to
me and said that he wanted to do a �Snuff Maximus�
abstract/noise record. I never thought that I would
ever have a noise record out on vinyl and was really
excited about it. I told him, �I have this other stuff
that I�ve been doing with guitar and drums too if you
want to hear that�. Once he heard Haunted George he
changed his mind to doing that. At one point the Hook
or Crook LP �Panther Howl� was going to come out with
an insert CD of 70 minutes worth of abstract
space/echo noise called �Sounds from the Beyond�, but
I think now that idea has been scrapped. Second thing
is during all this; I found out about Myspace and
started posting my music on that sight. Myspace is
both really cool and incredibly lame at the same time.
I don�t know anything about setting up a web site, so
to be able to post songs and information is a
beautiful thing. I can listen to other bands, we can
contact each other. On the other hand, all the squares
are just a bummer; guys without shirts on, wearing
sideways baseball caps, holding up beers, making
�gang� signs with captions like, �chILLin� wIf mY
hoMMeez n sUm sUdz�. That kind of shit just makes me
want commit murder. Did you see that movie �Hostel�? I
would pay the Russian gangsters good money to torture
violently and slowly some of those myspace creeps...
But I�m on there too, so what the hell.
TB: You described your stuff as "Sounds for driving in
the desert at night" -- does it have to be the desert?
I like to listen to this sort of stuff -- lonely,
moody stuff like the Scientists or the Beguiled -- and
drive around the woods at night.
HG: You have my permission to listen to it in the
woods. I love the woods too.
TB: How does the landscape around you affect what you
do, anyway? I imagine you live in one helluva desolate
area.
HG: My nearest neighbor is about 3/4 of a mile away and
I�m on a dirt road that runs about two miles till
pavement. I hear packs of coyotes every night and
morning. It�s very quiet. I don�t hear any traffic noise. I
can see the Milky Way at night. I can hear a car
coming from about 1/2 a mile away. I�m so used to the
quiet that the low rumble of an engine, even a modern
quiet one, will pop me up. Then I grab my rifle, peek
through the window blinds and look at them though my
binoculars while I scribble down notes and mumble. As
far as it affecting me musically, one of my goals is
to bring �western�, as in �country/western� into my
music. My grandma lived in the Mojave Desert since the
1930�s and loved country music but always told me that
she liked �western� better. When I asked her what the
difference between the two was she said that country
was about Honky Tonks, drinking, break ups, working a
job, that sort of thing and western was more about
being outdoors, the land, Indians, critters and things
like that.
TB: Songs like "Graves in the Desert" and "Shotgun in
My Mouth" certainly lend themselves to a dark,
isolated lone-man approach... Do you think they'd work
as well with a full band?
HG: They might, I�d have to try it out and see. I love
to try some of my stuff with other musicians but
getting people together can be such trouble. I just
keep going by myself. That�s the truly great thing
about a one man band. I can play whenever I feel like
it; Sunday morning, Tuesday afternoon...whenever the
mood hits. I don�t have to call a bunch of guys and
arrange anything.
TB: What's your set-up like live? It sounds like there
might be a few overdubs on the recordings.
HG: With the exception of the abstract/noise stuff
that I do there are NO over dubs on ANY of my
recordings! It�s all live! It�s also ALL mono. In
fact, EVERYTHING that I record is done on this old,
late 1970�s cassette recorder that just happens to
have a great condenser mic in it. It looks like a
little lunch box. One day the lunch box is going to
crap out on me I have no idea what I�m going to do. As
far as the live set-up, it�s a pain in the ass. It�s
more stuff than you�d think. I have a little food cart
next to me that I put all my effects boxes on so that
I can reach over and tweak my sound while a play. I
might have to strip it down and go rawer in the future
because it�s a pain to haul around.
TB: Where the fuck did you come up with that riff for
"The Devil's Canyon"?
HG: Out of nowhere...Off the top of my head. A lot of
times I write lyrics ahead of time and then I set them
up in front of me, grab my guitar with nothing planned
note-wise and they just come out on the first or
second try. �The Devil�s Canyon� was one of those.
TB: Why the Lamps cover?
HG: Monty Buckles is incredible and the Lamps are a
great band. We might do a split single together and so
I learned four of their songs. I played live with them
and played �Rototiller�, �Ron Campbell� and �Hot
Plate�. They played my song, �Gonna Lynch You�. I can
also play �Bertha Walt�.
TB: Favorite ghost/supernatural story?
HG: My favorites are the ones that come from people
that you wouldn�t expect. I met an ex-cop out here in
the desert. He lives in his car because he got major
back problems and his wife left him after 20 years of
marriage while he was in the hospital. His car seat is
the only place he says that he can rest comfortably
and get a good night�s sleep. So he lives off his
pension, traveling from park to park and sleeping in
his car. He told me all kinds of crazy stories about
abandoned, haunted buildings in Los Angeles County and
the high desert. He said that in the 70�s and 80�s
there used to be an abandoned movie theater, built in
the 1920�s that they would get calls to. The police
would pull up and hear a movie playing and lights on
and then when they went in there was nothing. He said
that every cop knew about this place and just ignored
the calls after a while, but they would always send
new guys over there to freak them out. He said the
guys would come back ashen faced and quiet. This guy
is great. I want to tape record him before he�s gone
one day. Once in the middle of talking, he looks out
to the horizon and says, �You know, this old desert is
a graveyard; Indians, Chinese gangsters, Mexican
banditos, mobsters...They�re all buried out here. When
Judgment Day comes and the dead rise this place is
gonna be shoulder to shoulder with the tormented...� I was
in awe after he said that. I repeated it to myself and
then said, �Hang on, I�ve got to get something out of
my truck� and then I immediately wrote down what he
just said in a notebook. Another recent one is my boss
is a construction chief with the state of California,
real high up on the chain of command but a complete
redneck, desert rat. He told me about seeing �a weird
lookin� dude with a dog chewed mullet� running around
a job site 3 days in a row while he was working a job
near the ocean in Ventura County. On the third day
they were digging a trench for a pipe and came across
a Chumash Indian burial site. They had to stop
construction and he ended up reporting it to a Chumash
Indian Museum. He tells me, �There�s the fuckin� dude
with that dog chewed mullet in a painting on the wall!
A fucking chumash Indian, they all had that fuckin�
dog chewed mullet! I told them to transfer me to
different job.� When I told him that I knew an Italian
girl that lived in a 400 year old villa and claimed
the ghost of a disembodied hand tormented her family
he laughed and looked at me like I was crazy. I could
go on and on. I love weird campfire stories; stuff
that people swear is true. I also like stories about
curses and things like �The Suicide Table� where seven
men all committed suicide after loosing their fortunes
at some certain Faro table. A lot of punk types that I
know don�t like old people or Christians or physically
disabled people and I find that some of the most
bizarre stories come from these folks. I meet people
when I�m working, we�ll get to talking, after a while
I�ll turn the conversation in a certain direction and
I start hearing real wild and crazy stuff.
TB: What do you have coming out officially? Is there a
Hook or Crook single forthcoming?
HG: It�s going to be a full LP called �Panther Howl�
with 13 songs on it. I have a 7� single with four
�songs� coming out on Solid Sex Lovie Doll some time
soon. One of the 4 cuts is noise track that was
recorded as �Snuff Maximus� in 1992. I also have my
own �label� that is called Dimension Zero, but it�s
really just me pressing up CD-R�s at home. On
Dimension Zero I have a full catalogue of stuff.
TB: Any tour plans in the works?
HG: No. Not yet...But there�s aways tomorrow.
Check out some of Haunted George's tunes at
his Myspace page, and if you know
what's good for you, jump on the LP and singles as
soon as they see the light of day.
Interview by Eric Lastname, duh
Pics provided by Haunted George (live pic by Robyn Ginsburg)
Hook or Crook Records
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